lawrocket 3 #276 July 2, 2012 QuoteThen why not just have the gov't subsidize medical insurance for those who truely can't afford it? That's what they are going to do under this plan anyway. It what the gov't always does for people who can't manage to feed themselves, put a roof over their heads etc. The states and localities cover it and eat the cost. Joe Snuffy falls off his bike. The ER treats him. Bills him a couple grand. He applies for Medicaid. The state then pays the hsopital a couple hundred bucks. Medicaid then puts a lien on Snuffy. I also note kallend limits the claims to "federal deficits." Pass it on to the states. And yes, John, EMTALA is going nowhere. If the ACA does what is promised, EMTALA wouldn't be needed. But one way or another, you're justifying and ratifying freeloading. EMTALA was enlightened. There are some bad free rides and some good free rides. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #277 July 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteThen why not just have the gov't subsidize medical insurance for those who truely can't afford it? That's what they are going to do under this plan anyway. It what the gov't always does for people who can't manage to feed themselves, put a roof over their heads etc. You could ask Mr. Etch-a Sketch Mitt Romney. His Romneycare is almost indistinguishable from ACA. That lie got blown out of the water upthread - should rightly be called "Patrickcare".Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #278 July 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteThen why not just have the gov't subsidize medical insurance for those who truely can't afford it? That's what they are going to do under this plan anyway. It what the gov't always does for people who can't manage to feed themselves, put a roof over their heads etc. You could ask Mr. Etch-a Sketch Mitt Romney. His Romneycare is almost indistinguishable from ACA. That lie got blown out of the water upthread - should rightly be called "Patrickcare". I'm sure it will continue to be called whatever Soros wants it to be called by his minions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #279 July 2, 2012 >That lie got blown out of the water upthread Might want to tell this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTByvLtYIYA&feature=player_embedded In case anyone can't get the video, it's Romney defending the individual mandate part of Romneycare. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #280 July 2, 2012 Quote>That lie got blown out of the water upthread Might want to tell this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTByvLtYIYA&feature=player_embedded In case anyone can't get the video, it's Romney defending the individual mandate part of Romneycare. As opposed to Mr. "It's not a tax"? Mr. "Your taxes won't go up"? Mr. "Unions get waivers"? *yawn*Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #281 July 2, 2012 Quote>That lie got blown out of the water upthread Might want to tell this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTByvLtYIYA&feature=player_embedded In case anyone can't get the video, it's Romney defending the individual mandate part of Romneycare. Ok And Obama said the AHA mandate was not a tax So they both are lieing Imagine that, polititions who lie"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #282 July 2, 2012 >As opposed to Mr. "It's not a tax"? Yes, the Romney campaign said that as well. ====================== CHUCK TODD (MSNBC): What you just said is that Governor Romney agrees that it's not a tax. But you guys call it a penalty. ERIC FEHRNSTROM (TOP ROMNEY AIDE): The governor disagreed with the court. He agreed with the dissent that was written by Justice Scalia which very clearly stated that the mandate was not a tax. TODD: So ... I think we're talking around each other. The governor does not believe the mandate is a tax, that's what you're saying? FEHRNSTROM: The governor believes that what we put in place in Massachusetts was a penalty and he disagrees with the court's ruling that the mandate was a tax. TODD: But he agrees with the president that it is not, that you shouldn't call the tax penalty a tax, you should call it a penalty or a fee or a fine? FEHRNSTROM: That's correct. ========================== NEXT! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #283 July 2, 2012 Recent poll by Kaiser Health: ================ This poll fielded following the Supreme Court’s decision upholding the heart of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) finds a majority of Americans (56 percent) now say they would like to see the law’s detractors stop their efforts to block its implementation and move on to other national problems. ================ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #284 July 2, 2012 Gotta love the ever-so-desperate attempts to cover Obama's ass on this.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #285 July 2, 2012 QuoteTODD: But he agrees with the president that it is not, that you shouldn't call the tax penalty a tax, you should call it a penalty or a fee or a fine? Isn't it great? we need a name for the full list of ways the government takes money/equity from the people: tax, fine, fee, custom, print more money, subsidies (help one group, then anyone not in that group has to take up the slack), penalties, etc etc ad nauseum seriously, ad nauseum because in the end, whatever you call it, the citizen is left with less in his pocket and the government has more to waste - waste being the only thing it does efficiently ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #286 July 2, 2012 Quote Quote >That lie got blown out of the water upthread Might want to tell this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTByvLtYIYA&feature=player_embedded In case anyone can't get the video, it's Romney defending the individual mandate part of Romneycare. As opposed to Mr. "It's not a tax"? Mr. "Your taxes won't go up"? Mr. "Unions get waivers"? *yawn* So your lie about a lie is blown out of the water.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #287 July 2, 2012 QuoteQuote>That lie got blown out of the water upthread Might want to tell this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTByvLtYIYA&feature=player_embedded In case anyone can't get the video, it's Romney defending the individual mandate part of Romneycare. Ok And Obama said the AHA mandate was not a tax So they both are lieing Imagine that, polititions who lie Congress says it isn't a tax. ROMNEY says it isn't a tax. Roberts says it is. He said she said.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #288 July 2, 2012 Quote WHO gets to pay the tax? Not responsible folk who already have health insurance. It won't affect the vast majority. Same was said of the AMT, but see where we are now. Non indexed taxes are problematic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #289 July 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote>That lie got blown out of the water upthread Might want to tell this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTByvLtYIYA&feature=player_embedded In case anyone can't get the video, it's Romney defending the individual mandate part of Romneycare. Ok And Obama said the AHA mandate was not a tax So they both are lieing Imagine that, polititions who lie Congress says it isn't a tax. Roberts says it is. He said she said. It got through the SC as a TAX Therefore it is a TAX No he said she said as it is what it has to be You are not entitled to your own facts"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #290 July 2, 2012 Quote Quote Quote >That lie got blown out of the water upthread Might want to tell this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTByvLtYIYA&feature=player_embedded In case anyone can't get the video, it's Romney defending the individual mandate part of Romneycare. As opposed to Mr. "It's not a tax"? Mr. "Your taxes won't go up"? Mr. "Unions get waivers"? *yawn* So your lie about a lie is blown out of the water. Nope. It's a tail, not a leg.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #291 July 2, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote >That lie got blown out of the water upthread Might want to tell this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTByvLtYIYA&feature=player_embedded In case anyone can't get the video, it's Romney defending the individual mandate part of Romneycare. As opposed to Mr. "It's not a tax"? Mr. "Your taxes won't go up"? Mr. "Unions get waivers"? *yawn* So your lie about a lie is blown out of the water. Nope. It's a tail, not a leg. So Gov. Etch-a Sketch Romney is a liar. OK.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #292 July 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>That lie got blown out of the water upthread Might want to tell this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTByvLtYIYA&feature=player_embedded In case anyone can't get the video, it's Romney defending the individual mandate part of Romneycare. Ok And Obama said the AHA mandate was not a tax So they both are lieing Imagine that, polititions who lie Congress says it isn't a tax. Roberts says it is. He said she said. It got through the SC as a TAX Therefore it is a TAX No he said she said as it is what it has to be You are not entitled to your own facts So who is lying, Romney or Roberts?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #293 July 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote>That lie got blown out of the water upthread Might want to tell this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTByvLtYIYA&feature=player_embedded In case anyone can't get the video, it's Romney defending the individual mandate part of Romneycare. Ok And Obama said the AHA mandate was not a tax So they both are lieing Imagine that, polititions who lie Congress says it isn't a tax. ROMNEY says it isn't a tax. Roberts says it is. He said she said. Verelli (Lead counsel for the gov't) said it was, too. "U.S. Solicitor General Donald Verrilli used the phrase “tax penalty” multiple times to describe the individual mandate’s backstop. He portrayed the fee as a penalty by design, but one that functions as a tax because it’s collected through the tax code."Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #294 July 2, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote >That lie got blown out of the water upthread Might want to tell this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTByvLtYIYA&feature=player_embedded In case anyone can't get the video, it's Romney defending the individual mandate part of Romneycare. As opposed to Mr. "It's not a tax"? Mr. "Your taxes won't go up"? Mr. "Unions get waivers"? *yawn* So your lie about a lie is blown out of the water. Nope. It's a tail, not a leg. So Gov. Etch-a Sketch Romney is a liar. OK. Less of one than Obama, that's apparent.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #295 July 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>That lie got blown out of the water upthread Might want to tell this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTByvLtYIYA&feature=player_embedded In case anyone can't get the video, it's Romney defending the individual mandate part of Romneycare. Ok And Obama said the AHA mandate was not a tax So they both are lieing Imagine that, polititions who lie Congress says it isn't a tax. Roberts says it is. He said she said. It got through the SC as a TAX Therefore it is a TAX No he said she said as it is what it has to be You are not entitled to your own facts So who is lying, Romney or Roberts? Obama, Pelosi and the rest of the Dems?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #296 July 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>That lie got blown out of the water upthread Might want to tell this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTByvLtYIYA&feature=player_embedded In case anyone can't get the video, it's Romney defending the individual mandate part of Romneycare. Ok And Obama said the AHA mandate was not a tax So they both are lieing Imagine that, polititions who lie Congress says it isn't a tax. ROMNEY says it isn't a tax. Roberts says it is. He said she said. Verelli (Lead counsel for the gov't) said it was, too. "U.S. Solicitor General Donald Verrilli used the phrase “tax penalty” multiple times to describe the individual mandate’s backstop. He portrayed the fee as a penalty by design, but one that functions as a tax because it’s collected through the tax code." Good point I had forgotten that they had argued it as a tax"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #297 July 2, 2012 >Therefore it is a TAX Romney disagrees; you'd have to take it up with him. >You are not entitled to your own facts Is Romney? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #298 July 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>That lie got blown out of the water upthread Might want to tell this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTByvLtYIYA&feature=player_embedded In case anyone can't get the video, it's Romney defending the individual mandate part of Romneycare. Ok And Obama said the AHA mandate was not a tax So they both are lieing Imagine that, polititions who lie Congress says it isn't a tax. Roberts says it is. He said she said. It got through the SC as a TAX Therefore it is a TAX No he said she said as it is what it has to be You are not entitled to your own facts So who is lying, Romney or Roberts? Well, if you are saying it is not a tax, then, you are lying about it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #299 July 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>That lie got blown out of the water upthread Might want to tell this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTByvLtYIYA&feature=player_embedded In case anyone can't get the video, it's Romney defending the individual mandate part of Romneycare. Ok And Obama said the AHA mandate was not a tax So they both are lieing Imagine that, polititions who lie Congress says it isn't a tax. ROMNEY says it isn't a tax. Roberts says it is. He said she said. Verelli (Lead counsel for the gov't) said it was, too. "U.S. Solicitor General Donald Verrilli used the phrase “tax penalty” multiple times to describe the individual mandate’s backstop. He portrayed the fee as a penalty by design, but one that functions as a tax because it’s collected through the tax code." Good point I had forgotten that they had argued it as a tax If you fail to pay your estimated taxes on time and are assessed a PENALTY by the IRS, is that a tax? Is every $ collected by the IRS for whatever reason a tax?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #300 July 2, 2012 Quote>Therefore it is a TAX Romney disagrees; you'd have to take it up with him. >You are not entitled to your own facts Is Romney? What Romeny says at this point means nothing It was argued as a tax and it passed constitutionally in the SC based on that argument It is a tax Period"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
