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QuoteQuoteNo.
What I pointed out was that the climate change cult has latched onto one factor in a particularly complex system, with the tacit assumption that this is the only parameter of interest.
It is a trivial exercise, left to the reader, to verify that this assumption is invalid.
You have taken a decisive side in regards to the discussion and it would be up to you to back your own findings with evidence.
When youclaimobserve that someone is "illiterate" or that people who believesin climate changeisare a "cult", then you arebringing a strong judgment and accusationstating the obvious.
Wouldn't someone who teaches Physics want his students to bring compelling and conclusive arguments rather than relying on their prejudice?
Please clarify - who are the students, and what is their "prejudice?"
However, for someone to then claim that CO2 concentration was the driving force in global temperature - to the exclusion of all others - more than is quorum is necessary to establish such a principle.
I don't believe that's what most credible scientists say. They do say it is a variable which we can mitigate, and with the conclusive science we do have; better safe....
I don't believe that's what most credible scientists say. They do say it is a variable which we can mitigate, and with the conclusive science we do have; better safe....
winsor 187
QuoteHowever, for someone to then claim that CO2 concentration was the driving force in global temperature - to the exclusion of all others - more than is quorum is necessary to establish such a principle.
I don't believe that's what most credible scientists say. They do say it is a variable which we can mitigate, and with the conclusive science we do have; better safe....
The number of credible scientists among the voices clamoring for controlling "greenhouse gases" is vanishingly small. Add to that the fact that most approaches to mitigating the variable are brute force and ignorance at their worst, and the suspicion arises that the cure may be worse than the disease.
Triage is important in addressing crises. Focusing on "climate change" with religious fervor at the expense of the more immediate crises we face is on a par with a first responder ignoring a patient's arterial bleeding in order to focus on their psoriasis.
"Climate change" (or whatever is the preferred eco-hysteria) is a symptom of much more potentially disastrous problems, and anyone who considers it to be a primary concern is clueless.
What the hell, if ignorance is bliss, who am I to ruin people's happiness? Since nobody lives forever, we are all fundamentally doomed from the get-go.
Given that stupidity is our only inexhaustible, eternally renewable resource, I suppose I should applaud Algore for his ability to harness it so skillfully.
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NOAA: 2010 Tied For Warmest Year on Record
January 12, 2011
According to NOAA scientists, 2010 tied with 2005 as the warmest year of the global surface temperature record, beginning in 1880. This was the 34th consecutive year with global temperatures above the 20th century average. For the contiguous United States alone, the 2010 average annual temperature was above normal, resulting in the 23rd warmest year on record.
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NOAA: 2010 Tied For Warmest Year on Record
January 12, 2011
According to NOAA scientists, 2010 tied with 2005 as the warmest year of the global surface temperature record, beginning in 1880. This was the 34th consecutive year with global temperatures above the 20th century average. For the contiguous United States alone, the 2010 average annual temperature was above normal, resulting in the 23rd warmest year on record.
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NOAA: 2010 Tied For Warmest Year on Record
January 12, 2011
According to NOAA scientists, 2010 tied with 2005 as the warmest year of the global surface temperature record, beginning in 1880. This was the 34th consecutive year with global temperatures above the 20th century average. For the contiguous United States alone, the 2010 average annual temperature was above normal, resulting in the 23rd warmest year on record.
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There you go again Bill, confusing the argument with actual evidence.
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NOAA: 2010 Tied For Warmest Year on Record
January 12, 2011
According to NOAA scientists, 2010 tied with 2005 as the warmest year of the global surface temperature record, beginning in 1880. This was the 34th consecutive year with global temperatures above the 20th century average. For the contiguous United States alone, the 2010 average annual temperature was above normal, resulting in the 23rd warmest year on record.
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There you go again Bill, confusing the argument with actual evidence.
After having suitable 'value added' by Hansen et al, of course.
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"a little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
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You lost me.
You link an article that supports the aforementioned contention on my part for what purpose?
Do you suppose that my objection to junk science by one party somehow supports junk science by another party?
Do tell.
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"a little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
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You lost me.
You link an article that supports the aforementioned contention on my part for what purpose?
Do you suppose that my objection to junk science by one party somehow supports junk science by another party?
Do tell.
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QuoteQuoteQuoteNo.
What I pointed out was that the climate change cult has latched onto one factor in a particularly complex system, with the tacit assumption that this is the only parameter of interest.
It is a trivial exercise, left to the reader, to verify that this assumption is invalid.
You have taken a decisive side in regards to the discussion and it would be up to you to back your own findings with evidence.
When youclaimobserve that someone is "illiterate" or that people who believesin climate changeisare a "cult", then you arebringing a strong judgment and accusationstating the obvious.
Wouldn't someone who teaches Physics want his students to bring compelling and conclusive arguments rather than relying on their prejudice?
Please clarify - who are the students, and what is their "prejudice?"
Did you not just say that youlectured at a University in Physics "for a few years"?
Seems like a lot of blah blah as you refuse to bring any evidence to back any of your prejudices.
winsor 187
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNo.
What I pointed out was that the climate change cult has latched onto one factor in a particularly complex system, with the tacit assumption that this is the only parameter of interest.
It is a trivial exercise, left to the reader, to verify that this assumption is invalid.
You have taken a decisive side in regards to the discussion and it would be up to you to back your own findings with evidence.
When youclaimobserve that someone is "illiterate" or that people who believesin climate changeisare a "cult", then you arebringing a strong judgment and accusationstating the obvious.
Wouldn't someone who teaches Physics want his students to bring compelling and conclusive arguments rather than relying on their prejudice?
Please clarify - who are the students, and what is their "prejudice?"
Did you not just say that youlectured at a University in Physics "for a few years"?
Seems like a lot of blah blah as you refuse to bring any evidence to back any of your prejudices.
Please lay off the hand-waving and get specific.
To precisely which "prejudices" do you refer, and what evidence do you seek?
ShcShc11 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNo.
What I pointed out was that the climate change cult has latched onto one factor in a particularly complex system, with the tacit assumption that this is the only parameter of interest.
It is a trivial exercise, left to the reader, to verify that this assumption is invalid.
You have taken a decisive side in regards to the discussion and it would be up to you to back your own findings with evidence.
When youclaimobserve that someone is "illiterate" or that people who believesin climate changeisare a "cult", then you arebringing a strong judgment and accusationstating the obvious.
Wouldn't someone who teaches Physics want his students to bring compelling and conclusive arguments rather than relying on their prejudice?
Please clarify - who are the students, and what is their "prejudice?"
Did you not just say that youlectured at a University in Physics "for a few years"?
Seems like a lot of blah blah as you refuse to bring any evidence to back any of your prejudices.
Please lay off the hand-waving and get specific.
To precisely which "prejudices" do you refer, and what evidence do you seek?
"What I pointed out was that the climate change cult has latched onto one factor in a particularly complex system, with the tacit assumption that this is the only parameter of interest. "
A more substantial evidence backing your accusations would be a start.
Else your post feels like another version of:
"He's an idiot"
"What makes him an idiot exactly?"
"I don't know.. Because he's an idiot!"
Cheers!
winsor 187
"What I pointed out was that the climate change cult has latched onto one factor in a particularly complex system, with the tacit assumption that this is the only parameter of interest. "
A more substantial evidence backing your accusations would be a start.
A more substantial evidence backing your accusations would be a start.
Shirley, you jest!
The fixation on "carbon" as the culprit of Climate Change is well established in the literature. Do your homework and get back to me.
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Triage is important in addressing crises. Focusing on "climate change" with religious fervor at the expense of the more immediate crises we face is on a par with a first responder ignoring a patient's arterial bleeding in order to focus on their psoriasis.
"Climate change" (or whatever is the preferred eco-hysteria) is a symptom of much more potentially disastrous problems, and anyone who considers it to be a primary concern is clueless.
In your opinion, what is the vastly more important problem (or disease for which climate change is a symptom) on which forward thinking folks ought to be focused? Population growth?
Blues,
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winsor 187
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Triage is important in addressing crises. Focusing on "climate change" with religious fervor at the expense of the more immediate crises we face is on a par with a first responder ignoring a patient's arterial bleeding in order to focus on their psoriasis.
"Climate change" (or whatever is the preferred eco-hysteria) is a symptom of much more potentially disastrous problems, and anyone who considers it to be a primary concern is clueless.
In your opinion, what is the vastly more important problem (or disease for which climate change is a symptom) on which forward thinking folks ought to be focused? Population growth?
IIRC, the text translates to "be fruitful and multiply" - not exponentiate. I think that item justifies the use of a banner saying "Mission Accomplished!"
It's gonna be fun trying to feed everyone when we run out of petroleum (and other finite resources). Whether it is warm or cold while you starve to death is a secondary consideration.
QuoteQuoteIn your opinion, what is the vastly more important problem (or disease for which climate change is a symptom) on which forward thinking folks ought to be focused? Population growth?
IIRC, the text translates to "be fruitful and multiply" - not exponentiate. I think that item justifies the use of a banner saying "Mission Accomplished!"
It's gonna be fun trying to feed everyone when we run out of petroleum (and other finite resources). Whether it is warm or cold while you starve to death is a secondary consideration.
When greater than 80% of the global population subscribes to one religion or another, and all religions seem to believe in using sex as a weapon, by trying to out-breed competing belief systems, well, climate change is honestly just a much easier sell. When the churches tell people to go forth and have more sex, and you says less sex, more condoms, well guess who's gonna win. Throw in the evolutionary compulsion to live longer through offspring, and yeah, there go the brakes on this train. We are fundamentally a parasite on this planet. The question is whether our space expansion technology can develop before our population expansion wipes us out. Those who call for conservation of natural resources, reduction of environmental degradation, and slowing of our exponential breeding aren't actually trying to stop those things, they're just trying to give the scientists a few more years to work their magic and save our species.
Blues,
Dave
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winsor 187
QuoteQuoteQuoteIn your opinion, what is the vastly more important problem (or disease for which climate change is a symptom) on which forward thinking folks ought to be focused? Population growth?
IIRC, the text translates to "be fruitful and multiply" - not exponentiate. I think that item justifies the use of a banner saying "Mission Accomplished!"
It's gonna be fun trying to feed everyone when we run out of petroleum (and other finite resources). Whether it is warm or cold while you starve to death is a secondary consideration.
When greater than 80% of the global population subscribes to one religion or another, and all religions seem to believe in using sex as a weapon, by trying to out-breed competing belief systems, well, climate change is honestly just a much easier sell. When the churches tell people to go forth and have more sex, and you says less sex, more condoms, well guess who's gonna win. Throw in the evolutionary compulsion to live longer through offspring, and yeah, there go the brakes on this train. We are fundamentally a parasite on this planet. The question is whether our space expansion technology can develop before our population expansion wipes us out. Those who call for conservation of natural resources, reduction of environmental degradation, and slowing of our exponential breeding aren't actually trying to stop those things, they're just trying to give the scientists a few more years to work their magic and save our species.
Blues,
Dave
What is there to suggest that, given our track record in destroying the optimal habitat in which we now find ourselves, we might do any better elsewhere?
If we can't get it together here, I'm afraid it's game over.
So long as we address consequences rather than causes, we're screwed.
QuoteWhat is there to suggest that, given our track record in destroying the optimal habitat in which we now find ourselves, we might do any better elsewhere?
If we can't get it together here, I'm afraid it's game over.
So long as we address consequences rather than causes, we're screwed.
There's absolutely nothing in our record to indicate we'll do better elsewhere, but that's how parasites work. The trick is making this host last long enough for us to move to another, and right now, we don't seem to be on pace for that.
Blues,
Dave
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BSBD,
Winsor
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Fair enough, and a lot like the old joke about what controls airspeed; elevator or throttle.
OK, so you don't think CO2 is the issue. If it's not CO2, then what is the issue?quade -
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You have taken a decisive side in regards to the discussion and it would be up to you to back your own findings with evidence.
When you claim that someone is "illiterate" or that people who believes in climate change is a "cult", then you are bringing a strong judgment and accusation.
Wouldn't someone who teach Physics want his students to bring compelling and conclusive arguments than relying on their prejudice?
Anyway,
cheers and happy Sunday! :)
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