BoogeyMan 0 #101 January 13, 2012 Quote QuoteShit happens The words of someone who has no intelligent response left. While most US soldiers are honorable, to defend these few guys, who clearly have no honor, does nothing but dishonor the majority. Wanna bet.? Check out post #97. Otherwise, Great thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #102 January 13, 2012 I have nothing to apologize for, I don't believe I offended her in any way by defending her against your little dig at her. But whatever .... I'd expect these pussy warriors to go down - clearly out of line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,625 #103 January 13, 2012 QuoteQuote Good for you, but I disagree about walking in their shoes. I don't have to be a murderer to know that murder is wrong. I don't have to be a rapist (or rape victim) to know that rape is wrong. I don't have to be a torturer to know that torture is wrong. This event was tactically unnecessary, strategically counterproductive, and just plain wrong. It reflects badly on the USMC and on the USA. NO EXCUSES. You disagree about walking in our shoes because you haven't, I had a similar train of thought before i deployed the first time. War, especially the type of war we are fighting against the Taliban that follow no rules of war, is different than civilian life and murder back here. Shit happens, its that simple, fortunately we have not committed even 1% of the atrocities that the Taliban has. Bit that shit doesn't make the media. Were these Marines wrong, yea, should they be punished, minimally in my opinion, the media is pitting more attention on this than need be, its that simple really. What part of "WRONG" is it that you can't understand? Atrocities by the Taliban do not excuse atrocities by us. Of course the media are all over it - they should be.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoogeyMan 0 #104 January 13, 2012 QuoteI have nothing to apologize for, I don't believe I offended her in any way by defending her against your little dig at her. But whatever .... I'd expect these pussy warriors to go down - clearly out of line.[/repl A dig at Wendy? If it was, then I'm sure Wendy could/would speak for herself. You are not only incorrect, but also ..."clearly out of line." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #105 January 13, 2012 What an odd string of posts - 1 - everyone says the same thing "the Marines were wrong" 2 - everyone says the same thing "they should be punished" 3 - everyone says the same thing "I can understand why they did it, but it's still wrong" (and 1 and 2 still apply) so about 8 of you all agree with each other and yet you keep arguing and belittling each other weird this is something I really hate about this forum {{{there's a small contingent that continue to purposely imply that understanding = approval - but they are just trolling}}} ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Creep0321 0 #106 January 13, 2012 Quote QuoteShit happens The words of someone who has no intelligent response left. While most US soldiers are honorable, to defend these few guys, who clearly have no honor, does nothing but dishonor the majority. read and respond to my entire post, i didnt just say "shit happens"Jack of all trades. Military Free Fall Jumpmaster. USA Static-line Jumpmaster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Creep0321 0 #107 January 13, 2012 Quote What part of "WRONG" is it that you can't understand? Atrocities by the Taliban do not excuse atrocities by us. Of course the media are all over it - they should be. Did i say it excused it? no learn to read Did i say it wasnt wrong? look above But the media should not be hanging these Marines out to dry, when is the last time you saw something bad the taliban did on the news? And I assure you, it happens on a weekly basis, but our media doesnt show this? why? so why should this much attention be put on a few Marines who had a really poor lack of judgement?Jack of all trades. Military Free Fall Jumpmaster. USA Static-line Jumpmaster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BoogeyMan 0 #108 January 13, 2012 so about 8 of you all agree with each other and yet you keep arguing and belittling each other weird Crazy this is something I really hate about this forum That's a statement I can agree with. Some folks won't even take yes or no as an answer. For them it's all about egos and intellectual auto-manipulation. But it is a dandy thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 622 #109 January 13, 2012 No, not so much. I expect the marines in this situation will in fact go down very hard. As they should be. They are an embarrassment to our country. Brig time and BCD's for all involved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Marinus 0 #110 January 13, 2012 QuoteWay outside the rules, here. Borders on a PA, if I understand Quades explanation of what the rules are for this site.Cool Since you admit to have been joking about Nazi's massacring people, then perhaps you should seek counseling. So you meant me, but on rereading that post you discovered that I wasn't joking about Nazi's committing genocide. And since you, unlike some people here can't "Man up" and admit he's wrong, you keep pretending I wrote that, that's indeed: QuoteSad...... Not good at all. Oh, and you are a right about one thing, falsely accusing someone of condoning genocide is probably a PA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BoogeyMan 0 #111 January 13, 2012 Quote No, not so much. I expect the marines in this situation will in fact go down very hard. As they should be. They are an embarrassment to our country. Brig time and BCD's for all involved. Now, they're marines, and not pussy warriors.......? Possibly, but only after a lawful CM. So, you allow the system is OK enough for you? No lynching or summary executing, Taliban style..? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 622 #112 January 13, 2012 They have demonstrated that for marines, they're pussy warriors. We hit the roof when the enemy does this and we scream to the entire planet. Why would this case be any different? I would expect them to get chased right out with BCD's. Whatever path the leadership chooses to arrive there is their call. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BoogeyMan 0 #113 January 13, 2012 QuoteQuoteWay outside the rules, here. Borders on a PA, if I understand Quades explanation of what the rules are for this site.Cool Since you admit to have been joking about Nazi's massacring people, then perhaps you should seek counseling. So you meant me, but on rereading that post you discovered that I wasn't joking about Nazi's committing genocide. And since you, unlike some people here can't "Man up" and admit he's wrong, you keep pretending I wrote that, that's indeed: QuoteSad...... Not good at all. Oh, and you are a right about one thing, falsely accusing someone of condoning genocide is probably a PA. Wheeew...... Calling Dr. Kallend, Calling Dr. Kallend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BoogeyMan 0 #114 January 13, 2012 Quote They have demonstrated that for marines, they're pussy warriors. We hit the roof when the enemy does this and we scream to the entire planet. Why would this case be any different? I would expect them to get chased right out with BCD's. Whatever path the leadership chooses to arrive there is their call. You are agreeing that there are controls and limits to behavior by service members. And that the system can and will function in this matter because the conduct in debate is illegal by US law, and is not a policy of the US military or the government? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 622 #115 January 13, 2012 US Law generally isn't enforced on foreign soil. US military members fall under the UCMJ, not civilian law. Yes, this is not a policy of the military nor the government. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BoogeyMan 0 #116 January 13, 2012 QuoteUS Law generally isn't enforced on foreign soil. US military members fall under the UCMJ, not civilian law. Yes, this is not a policy of the military nor the government. The UCMJ is US law. Service members are indeed subject to civilian law. Then, aside from the 98 cent bullshit about Wendy, we agree. In the future, if you wish to enter a debate, just jump in. No need for the macho attempts at chivalry or the redneck bar stool drama. EOM. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 58 #117 January 13, 2012 Allen West on the Marines Incident: 'Shut Your Mouth, War Is Hell' http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/allen-west-marines-incident-shut-your-mouth-war-hell_616699.htmlLook for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BoogeyMan 0 #118 January 13, 2012 QuoteAllen West on the Marines Incident: 'Shut Your Mouth, War Is Hell' http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/allen-west-marines-incident-shut-your-mouth-war-hell_616699.html I have met Col.West before. I think that more than an Art. 15 is called for in this instance. Art15's are handed out for traffic tickets on post/base. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 622 #119 January 13, 2012 Whatever you say mr high and mighty. I'll say what I please thank you just the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,123 #120 January 13, 2012 Video is in the same light as kids videotaping themselves doing something illegal. If you are that stupid you really deserve to be punished. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BoogeyMan 0 #121 January 13, 2012 QuoteWhatever you say mr high and mighty. I'll say what I please thank you just the same. Uh Oh....... I hurt your feelings. Dood........ Sure, say what you wish, but at the very least be accurate or have some knowledge of what you are posting about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 622 #122 January 13, 2012 haven't been here much fng? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BoogeyMan 0 #123 January 13, 2012 Quote haven't been here much fng? Oh wow.... I did hurt your feelings. Aw, man.........So, here we are, and you're off topic, for what is it, the third time, trying to insult (???) someone, I imagine. Dood..... Embarrassing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 18 #124 January 13, 2012 Nailed it http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/allen-west-marines-incident-shut-your-mouth-war-hell_616699.html End of story"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Creep0321 0 #125 January 13, 2012 Quote Nailed it http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/allen-west-marines-incident-shut-your-mouth-war-hell_616699.html End of story Jack of all trades. Military Free Fall Jumpmaster. USA Static-line Jumpmaster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 5 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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rehmwa 2 #105 January 13, 2012 What an odd string of posts - 1 - everyone says the same thing "the Marines were wrong" 2 - everyone says the same thing "they should be punished" 3 - everyone says the same thing "I can understand why they did it, but it's still wrong" (and 1 and 2 still apply) so about 8 of you all agree with each other and yet you keep arguing and belittling each other weird this is something I really hate about this forum {{{there's a small contingent that continue to purposely imply that understanding = approval - but they are just trolling}}} ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creep0321 0 #106 January 13, 2012 Quote QuoteShit happens The words of someone who has no intelligent response left. While most US soldiers are honorable, to defend these few guys, who clearly have no honor, does nothing but dishonor the majority. read and respond to my entire post, i didnt just say "shit happens"Jack of all trades. Military Free Fall Jumpmaster. USA Static-line Jumpmaster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creep0321 0 #107 January 13, 2012 Quote What part of "WRONG" is it that you can't understand? Atrocities by the Taliban do not excuse atrocities by us. Of course the media are all over it - they should be. Did i say it excused it? no learn to read Did i say it wasnt wrong? look above But the media should not be hanging these Marines out to dry, when is the last time you saw something bad the taliban did on the news? And I assure you, it happens on a weekly basis, but our media doesnt show this? why? so why should this much attention be put on a few Marines who had a really poor lack of judgement?Jack of all trades. Military Free Fall Jumpmaster. USA Static-line Jumpmaster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoogeyMan 0 #108 January 13, 2012 so about 8 of you all agree with each other and yet you keep arguing and belittling each other weird Crazy this is something I really hate about this forum That's a statement I can agree with. Some folks won't even take yes or no as an answer. For them it's all about egos and intellectual auto-manipulation. But it is a dandy thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #109 January 13, 2012 No, not so much. I expect the marines in this situation will in fact go down very hard. As they should be. They are an embarrassment to our country. Brig time and BCD's for all involved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #110 January 13, 2012 QuoteWay outside the rules, here. Borders on a PA, if I understand Quades explanation of what the rules are for this site.Cool Since you admit to have been joking about Nazi's massacring people, then perhaps you should seek counseling. So you meant me, but on rereading that post you discovered that I wasn't joking about Nazi's committing genocide. And since you, unlike some people here can't "Man up" and admit he's wrong, you keep pretending I wrote that, that's indeed: QuoteSad...... Not good at all. Oh, and you are a right about one thing, falsely accusing someone of condoning genocide is probably a PA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoogeyMan 0 #111 January 13, 2012 Quote No, not so much. I expect the marines in this situation will in fact go down very hard. As they should be. They are an embarrassment to our country. Brig time and BCD's for all involved. Now, they're marines, and not pussy warriors.......? Possibly, but only after a lawful CM. So, you allow the system is OK enough for you? No lynching or summary executing, Taliban style..? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #112 January 13, 2012 They have demonstrated that for marines, they're pussy warriors. We hit the roof when the enemy does this and we scream to the entire planet. Why would this case be any different? I would expect them to get chased right out with BCD's. Whatever path the leadership chooses to arrive there is their call. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoogeyMan 0 #113 January 13, 2012 QuoteQuoteWay outside the rules, here. Borders on a PA, if I understand Quades explanation of what the rules are for this site.Cool Since you admit to have been joking about Nazi's massacring people, then perhaps you should seek counseling. So you meant me, but on rereading that post you discovered that I wasn't joking about Nazi's committing genocide. And since you, unlike some people here can't "Man up" and admit he's wrong, you keep pretending I wrote that, that's indeed: QuoteSad...... Not good at all. Oh, and you are a right about one thing, falsely accusing someone of condoning genocide is probably a PA. Wheeew...... Calling Dr. Kallend, Calling Dr. Kallend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoogeyMan 0 #114 January 13, 2012 Quote They have demonstrated that for marines, they're pussy warriors. We hit the roof when the enemy does this and we scream to the entire planet. Why would this case be any different? I would expect them to get chased right out with BCD's. Whatever path the leadership chooses to arrive there is their call. You are agreeing that there are controls and limits to behavior by service members. And that the system can and will function in this matter because the conduct in debate is illegal by US law, and is not a policy of the US military or the government? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #115 January 13, 2012 US Law generally isn't enforced on foreign soil. US military members fall under the UCMJ, not civilian law. Yes, this is not a policy of the military nor the government. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoogeyMan 0 #116 January 13, 2012 QuoteUS Law generally isn't enforced on foreign soil. US military members fall under the UCMJ, not civilian law. Yes, this is not a policy of the military nor the government. The UCMJ is US law. Service members are indeed subject to civilian law. Then, aside from the 98 cent bullshit about Wendy, we agree. In the future, if you wish to enter a debate, just jump in. No need for the macho attempts at chivalry or the redneck bar stool drama. EOM. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #117 January 13, 2012 Allen West on the Marines Incident: 'Shut Your Mouth, War Is Hell' http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/allen-west-marines-incident-shut-your-mouth-war-hell_616699.htmlLook for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoogeyMan 0 #118 January 13, 2012 QuoteAllen West on the Marines Incident: 'Shut Your Mouth, War Is Hell' http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/allen-west-marines-incident-shut-your-mouth-war-hell_616699.html I have met Col.West before. I think that more than an Art. 15 is called for in this instance. Art15's are handed out for traffic tickets on post/base. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #119 January 13, 2012 Whatever you say mr high and mighty. I'll say what I please thank you just the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,123 #120 January 13, 2012 Video is in the same light as kids videotaping themselves doing something illegal. If you are that stupid you really deserve to be punished. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoogeyMan 0 #121 January 13, 2012 QuoteWhatever you say mr high and mighty. I'll say what I please thank you just the same. Uh Oh....... I hurt your feelings. Dood........ Sure, say what you wish, but at the very least be accurate or have some knowledge of what you are posting about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #122 January 13, 2012 haven't been here much fng? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoogeyMan 0 #123 January 13, 2012 Quote haven't been here much fng? Oh wow.... I did hurt your feelings. Aw, man.........So, here we are, and you're off topic, for what is it, the third time, trying to insult (???) someone, I imagine. Dood..... Embarrassing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #124 January 13, 2012 Nailed it http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/allen-west-marines-incident-shut-your-mouth-war-hell_616699.html End of story"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creep0321 0 #125 January 13, 2012 Quote Nailed it http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/allen-west-marines-incident-shut-your-mouth-war-hell_616699.html End of story Jack of all trades. Military Free Fall Jumpmaster. USA Static-line Jumpmaster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
