Trafficdiver 8 #26 October 14, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote Facism is the political system where the corporations control governance. ***Nope, try again son. fas·cism noun Definition of FASCISM 1 a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition It amazes me that you would post something you don't understand! I'm bored and you're mildly entertaining. Tell me about the beauty of gulags. I want to learn more from you oh wise one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timmyfritz 0 #27 October 14, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Facism is the political system where the corporations control governance. ***Nope, try again son. fas·cism noun Definition of FASCISM 1 a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition It amazes me that you would post something you don't understand! ***I'm bored and you're mildly entertaining. Tell me about the beauty of gulags. I want to learn more from you oh wise one. Yeah well uh.,once you master the definition of Facism and realize that the definition you provided does infact refer to corporations running the government then I'll take you under my wing. As long as you believe you know more than I do there is no reason for me to attempt to place my full jar of knowledge into your jar which is mostly full with your half-knowledge. When you are ready to throw out all of your half knowledge and willing to accept full knowledge in it's place look me up. In the mean time at least admit to and accept your mediocrity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trafficdiver 8 #28 October 14, 2011 QuoteAs long as you believe you know more than I do there is no reason for me to attempt to place my full jar of knowledge into your jar which is mostly full with your half-knowledge. Well I guess that's that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timmyfritz 0 #29 October 14, 2011 QuoteQuoteAs long as you believe you know more than I do there is no reason for me to attempt to place my full jar of knowledge into your jar which is mostly full with your half-knowledge. Well I guess that's that. I reckon so.., Ignorameous! LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #30 October 14, 2011 >So you don't believe that men strive to always better themselves. Some do, some don't. When there is incentive to, a great many do. When there is no incentive to do so, few do. >Maybe the same is true for the guy frying potatos. Could be that he is >striving every day to fry those potatos perfectly. And perhaps after he >masters the potatos he moves on to master the grill. And in a capitalist society he will soon be running the place, and making enough money that he can invest and perhaps buy his own franchise. In a communist society, he will not make any more, and will only advance when the current cook or manager is removed by the government. And once he advances? He'll make the same amount. After all, "from each according to their gifts, to each according to their needs." He will only get what he needs. Will he aspire to someday run a government-owned McDonald's, and take on more responsibility and more work so he can make . . . the same amount? Maybe. But it's far less likely. >I believe that all Men are born equal in their potential. Hmm. I find they are not at all equal. Some are amazing natural skydivers; some are so incompetent they get grounded. Some are brilliant mathematicians; some can barely add. Some are born athletes; some struggle to keep their weight below 300 pounds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #31 October 14, 2011 And your one warning. Enough with the name-calling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 49 #32 October 14, 2011 I bet you are a polka-dot sock, except I can't place who for? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #33 October 14, 2011 Quote Communism and fascism are sorta opposites. Both entail centrally planned economies that are anathema to the individual pursuit of life enshrined in our constitution.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #34 October 14, 2011 Quote So you don't believe that men strive to always better themselves. This is a fundamental disagreement between you and I. I believe that the majority of men do strive to better themselves . Then why subsume that to some ill defined concept regarding "for the betterment of some collective"? If everyone is working hard and bettering themselves in a civilized society, you don't need to worry about the collective.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoogeyMan 0 #35 October 14, 2011 "Apparently you think you will be the boss and do all the deciding about who gets what. Not so, Wonderboy." LOL.... You really do believe that you will be the one setting the rules.!!! LOL.!!! Rave on..!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #36 October 14, 2011 Quote I believe in Man. I believe that all Men are born equal in their potential. All men are born equal in potential . Agreed, with caveats that some are born with more potential in certain areas than others. I think we all have the potential to take care of ourselves, our families, and to make our communities a place to live and learn. Quote It is man who sets false goals for them. In communism, et. al., it's the leaders of the collective that end up setting false goals.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #37 October 14, 2011 Quote So bgmassey, when the people were forced to cover the losses of the Banks and the policy of the government was to hide the criminality of the bankers , was that wrong? Are you pissed off about that? Fair point, other than the criminality of the bankers. The bankers were trying to implement what the government was requiring them to do, and trying to make a living along the way. BTW, yes I'm pissed at my government about this.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bqmassey 0 #38 October 14, 2011 Quote Finally some one who understands how we were had!!! Thing is bgmassey, you are a socialist! You may protest that designation but I can proove it to you! I'm listening. Prove me a socialist. Fill my empty jar with the knowledge of yours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timmyfritz 0 #39 October 14, 2011 QuoteQuote Finally some one who understands how we were had!!! Thing is bgmassey, you are a socialist! You may protest that designation but I can proove it to you! I'm listening. Prove me a socialist. Fill my empty jar with the knowledge of yours. Do you believe that everyone of age has a Right to vote regardless of age, race, gender, etc? What about those who pay no county taxes? Do they have a right to vote? Do those who pay no county taxes have a Right to equal police and fire proection? If you answered yes to any of the above , you are a socialist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #40 October 14, 2011 Quote If you answered yes to any of the above , you are a socialist. You seem to enjoy coming up with you own definitions...We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #41 October 14, 2011 what was your ID here before Oct 6 2011?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #42 October 14, 2011 QuoteQuote If you answered yes to any of the above , you are a socialist. You seem to enjoy coming up with you own definitions... Yep. Redefine and you're never wrong... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #43 October 14, 2011 Quote Me, I prefer true Communism. True Communism would produce a Utopia on Earth, IMO. But how about in the mean time socialism? Kinda' a Communism "lite". Either of these economic/political structures would be better than capitalism or the Facism that is the current political/economic system of America . What say you? Yeah, that's the ticket. The only model I have to follow is Lenin and Stalin. Let's kill the opposition and then live in Utopia. I would love to exercise my M-15. Yeah, that's the ticket. ARE YOU NUTS! Crawl back under the bridge.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #44 October 14, 2011 QuoteWhy do you believe that "True"Communism is "an unworkable nightmare"? Aside from the fact that every attempt has failed? That's jumping the gun though, and baiting. Simple fact is that humans do not possess the character traits (in mass) to produce such an outcome. Power corrupts, regardless of the system. As Churchill said "Capitalism is where man takes advantage of his fellow man. Communism is the other way around." Or something like that. You'd also get more credibility if you avoided the hyperbolic terminology. Do you really think the US is a Fascist state?" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #45 October 14, 2011 QuoteI believe that all Men are born equal in their potential. A big lie. I'll agree that all deserve the same fundamental rights to express their potential; but adhering to an opinion that we all have the same potential is just silly. We are born with physical and intellectual differences that greatly influence our potential and what path we will take. Along that path our tendencies get reinforced and amplified from that unequal starting point. You do not have to cite the extreme example of being mentally retarded to see we are all born different and that those differences get amplified rather than suppressed over the course of a person's life. Might have hit on a significant flaw in socialism & communism - they seek to suppress differences and reduce the resultant consequences." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #46 October 14, 2011 QuoteQuote Facism is the political system where the corporations control governance. Nope, try again son. fas·cism noun Definition of FASCISM 1 a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition Thanks for that. As soon as I saw the OP's definition of Fascism it became obvious we have an emotional youngster that has not studied the topic. To the OP, what you defined is more along the lines of a corporatocracy, which yes, we are living in." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #47 October 14, 2011 QuoteSo bgmassey, when the people were forced to cover the losses of the Banks and the policy of the government was to hide the criminality of the bankers , was that wrong? Are you pissed off about that? Yes, but it's not Fascism. Go back to Econ 101 and remedial PoliSci." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #48 October 14, 2011 QuoteIn a true Communist society each member of the society does have one vote. Only problem is Communist states also only provide 1 candidate. What the hell is the purpose of voting when there is no choice?" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #49 October 14, 2011 And isn't it weird that Timmy thinks that corporations running government is so bad, but government running corporations is good? It's the same fucking thing! It's like complaining about the evils of marriage between a man and a woman, but extolling the virtues of marriage between a woman and a man. Meanwhile, he fails to recognize that "Gee, maybe if the government wasn't so powerful then corporations wouldn't have so much sway." But nope. The threshold issue - government power - is not considered. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #50 October 14, 2011 QuoteWhen you are ready to throw out all of your half knowledge and willing to accept full knowledge in it's place look me up. Ah, a telltale sign - - claiming full knowledge. The result of people who think they know the one truth, have full knowledge, etc., . . . are things like Auschwitz, genocide, dogma . . . Let me guess; you are early 20's, just took your first PoliSci class, and are aghast at learning the failings of Capitalism, free markets, Democracy, etc. Wait til you get to the chapter on Communism." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
