Lucky... 0 #51 September 3, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote That's teh beauty of it; we brainwash/condition young so it sticks. Mmmm mmm mm - Barack Hussein Obama. GOV. GEORGE W. BUSH (R-TX), PRESIDENT-ELECT: I told all four that there were going to be some times where we don't agree with each other. But that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0012/18/nd.01.html OK, so what supports your nonresponse? "I won." Have another glass of koolaid, Lucky. LOL - Obama.....there, I won. Haha, feel like I'm having a debate with GWB. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #52 September 3, 2010 QuoteReality, meet Lucky Lucky, meet reality Please get to know each other, I'm tired of reading drivel. You've posted opinion, nothing to support it. You're like Mike, empty argument followed by a victory dance. I do get it when you neo-cons say we don't get it; your ideology is one of, "with us or against us" and it really can't be taught, you just go along with everyone else or you are against us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #53 September 3, 2010 QuoteQuoteI'm told (and I'm checking into it) the state requires us to reciet the Pledge once a week??? As for the meaning of the words, These are High School students. If they don't get it, we have bigger issues. On Wednesday, I'll be playing Red Skeltons version of the Pledge. This is not a new issue. I'll share with you John Wayne's Version of the Pledge of Allegiance Free speech zealously guarded as a quote from that mess. Hmmm, free speech as long as you recite what we tell you to do? Nice joke. BTW, was Wayne a war hero or a hoolywood actor bagging every Hollywood whore he could; I forgot. Yea, real American he was. He makes Reagan look patriotic; neo-cons are so easy to fool. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #54 September 3, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteDude...take heart. You're not gonna find a whole lot of people on these boards that think what you're saying and feeling is correct. You're not allowed to say and feel that way anymore around here. It's not cool. Probably the single largest difference is how they were raised, or when they were raised. They most likely didn't have relatives who fought and died for their country. They would much rather diminish the sacrifice in the name of being PC. They don't understand and they never will. Wrong. Dead wrong. What they fought and died for was the FREEDOM FROM the exact kind of indoctrination you are now advocating as mandatory. I'd rather recite the Deceleration of Independence, or the preamble to the Constitution itself, both actually MEAN something the pledge of allegiance does not. No one swears an oath to the pledge of allegiance, no one who dies in a war does so for the pledge of allegiance, forcing it down the throat of another generation flies in the face and spits on the sacrifice of those who have died for the Constitution. sad that so many 'patriots' cant see the difference. Maybe you should attend a military funeral, to remind you of what the flag means to the military. Oh, wait - they honor that flag and their country - guess that means they aren't 'patriots' in your eyes. So a dead war hero justifies required recitation of a rant? Brilliant. Here I thought the US COnst and dead hearoes stood for freedoms, not oppression. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roxxx 0 #55 September 3, 2010 "In the end, it doesn't even matter..." We had feds, state, and county officials lie to enter our house and rip through it... Marine Sword taken out of it's case and American Flag on the floor... All because of Human Growth Hormone which is not addictive, it helps heal the body faster and maybe age slower... just do whatever the fuck those wolfo people say because they out number us and their systems run people who than run us, to quote a retired cop, "We can do whatever, we want..." and they can. Skydive every day in every way because it's by far safer then the games that they play... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #56 September 3, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteDude...take heart. You're not gonna find a whole lot of people on these boards that think what you're saying and feeling is correct. You're not allowed to say and feel that way anymore around here. It's not cool. Probably the single largest difference is how they were raised, or when they were raised. They most likely didn't have relatives who fought and died for their country. They would much rather diminish the sacrifice in the name of being PC. They don't understand and they never will. Wrong. Dead wrong. What they fought and died for was the FREEDOM FROM the exact kind of indoctrination you are now advocating as mandatory. I'd rather recite the Deceleration of Independence, or the preamble to the Constitution itself, both actually MEAN something the pledge of allegiance does not. No one swears an oath to the pledge of allegiance, no one who dies in a war does so for the pledge of allegiance, forcing it down the throat of another generation flies in the face and spits on the sacrifice of those who have died for the Constitution. sad that so many 'patriots' cant see the difference. Maybe you should attend a military funeral, to remind you of what the flag means to the military. Oh, wait - they honor that flag and their country - guess that means they aren't 'patriots' in your eyes. So a dead war hero justifies required recitation of a rant? Brilliant. Here I thought the US COnst and dead hearoes stood for freedoms, not oppression. "It's (not) a neo-com thing - you wouldn't understand"Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 200 #57 September 3, 2010 QuoteQuoteDude...take heart. You're not gonna find a whole lot of people on these boards that think what you're saying and feeling is correct. You're not allowed to say and feel that way anymore around here. It's not cool. Probably the single largest difference is how they were raised, or when they were raised. They most likely didn't have relatives who fought and died for their country. They would much rather diminish the sacrifice in the name of being PC. They don't understand and they never will. Rememeber, only real Americans love this country. Real Americans are Republicans (puke). Real Americans serve the country. What a gaggle of shit, you infer that if you don't want the chant you don't get it. So many who allegedly do get it and want forced everything have never served and ran from military service. Here's for your real Americans: http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html Save me the preudo bravado Here's a napkin to wipe that spittle off your chin.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #58 September 3, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteDude...take heart. You're not gonna find a whole lot of people on these boards that think what you're saying and feeling is correct. You're not allowed to say and feel that way anymore around here. It's not cool. Probably the single largest difference is how they were raised, or when they were raised. They most likely didn't have relatives who fought and died for their country. They would much rather diminish the sacrifice in the name of being PC. They don't understand and they never will. Wrong. Dead wrong. What they fought and died for was the FREEDOM FROM the exact kind of indoctrination you are now advocating as mandatory. I'd rather recite the Deceleration of Independence, or the preamble to the Constitution itself, both actually MEAN something the pledge of allegiance does not. No one swears an oath to the pledge of allegiance, no one who dies in a war does so for the pledge of allegiance, forcing it down the throat of another generation flies in the face and spits on the sacrifice of those who have died for the Constitution. sad that so many 'patriots' cant see the difference. Maybe you should attend a military funeral, to remind you of what the flag means to the military. Oh, wait - they honor that flag and their country - guess that means they aren't 'patriots' in your eyes. I'll wager I've been to more THIS YEAR alone, than you have. They swore an oath to the CONSTITUTION, (so did you apparently) have you forgotten what that oath or the document you swore it to state? blind indoctrination has no part in either, those soldiers died so their children have the CHOICE to sit or stand through all such indoctrination.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #59 September 3, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteDude...take heart. You're not gonna find a whole lot of people on these boards that think what you're saying and feeling is correct. You're not allowed to say and feel that way anymore around here. It's not cool. Probably the single largest difference is how they were raised, or when they were raised. They most likely didn't have relatives who fought and died for their country. They would much rather diminish the sacrifice in the name of being PC. They don't understand and they never will. Wrong. Dead wrong. What they fought and died for was the FREEDOM FROM the exact kind of indoctrination you are now advocating as mandatory. I'd rather recite the Deceleration of Independence, or the preamble to the Constitution itself, both actually MEAN something the pledge of allegiance does not. No one swears an oath to the pledge of allegiance, no one who dies in a war does so for the pledge of allegiance, forcing it down the throat of another generation flies in the face and spits on the sacrifice of those who have died for the Constitution. sad that so many 'patriots' cant see the difference. Maybe you should attend a military funeral, to remind you of what the flag means to the military. Oh, wait - they honor that flag and their country - guess that means they aren't 'patriots' in your eyes. I'll wager I've been to more THIS YEAR alone, than you have. Too bad you evidently didn't learn anything while you were there. QuoteThey swore an oath to the CONSTITUTION, (so did you apparently) have you forgotten what that oath or the document you swore it to state? Sure haven't - maybe can come to a point sometime soon and show where the two are mutually exclusive. Quoteblind indoctrination has no part in either, those soldiers died so their children have the CHOICE to sit or stand through all such indoctrination. How's that working out for them on that whole indoctrination thing? MMM MMM MMM Barack Hussein ObamaMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #60 September 3, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteDude...take heart. You're not gonna find a whole lot of people on these boards that think what you're saying and feeling is correct. You're not allowed to say and feel that way anymore around here. It's not cool. Probably the single largest difference is how they were raised, or when they were raised. They most likely didn't have relatives who fought and died for their country. They would much rather diminish the sacrifice in the name of being PC. They don't understand and they never will. Wrong. Dead wrong. What they fought and died for was the FREEDOM FROM the exact kind of indoctrination you are now advocating as mandatory. I'd rather recite the Deceleration of Independence, or the preamble to the Constitution itself, both actually MEAN something the pledge of allegiance does not. No one swears an oath to the pledge of allegiance, no one who dies in a war does so for the pledge of allegiance, forcing it down the throat of another generation flies in the face and spits on the sacrifice of those who have died for the Constitution. sad that so many 'patriots' cant see the difference. Maybe you should attend a military funeral, to remind you of what the flag means to the military. Oh, wait - they honor that flag and their country - guess that means they aren't 'patriots' in your eyes. So a dead war hero justifies required recitation of a rant? Brilliant. Here I thought the US COnst and dead hearoes stood for freedoms, not oppression. "It's (not) a neo-com thing - you wouldn't understand" Thx for adding nothing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #61 September 3, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteDude...take heart. You're not gonna find a whole lot of people on these boards that think what you're saying and feeling is correct. You're not allowed to say and feel that way anymore around here. It's not cool. Probably the single largest difference is how they were raised, or when they were raised. They most likely didn't have relatives who fought and died for their country. They would much rather diminish the sacrifice in the name of being PC. They don't understand and they never will. Rememeber, only real Americans love this country. Real Americans are Republicans (puke). Real Americans serve the country. What a gaggle of shit, you infer that if you don't want the chant you don't get it. So many who allegedly do get it and want forced everything have never served and ran from military service. Here's for your real Americans: http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html Save me the preudo bravado Here's a napkin to wipe that spittle off your chin. Again, as with Mike, nothingness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #62 September 3, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteDude...take heart. You're not gonna find a whole lot of people on these boards that think what you're saying and feeling is correct. You're not allowed to say and feel that way anymore around here. It's not cool. Probably the single largest difference is how they were raised, or when they were raised. They most likely didn't have relatives who fought and died for their country. They would much rather diminish the sacrifice in the name of being PC. They don't understand and they never will. Wrong. Dead wrong. What they fought and died for was the FREEDOM FROM the exact kind of indoctrination you are now advocating as mandatory. I'd rather recite the Deceleration of Independence, or the preamble to the Constitution itself, both actually MEAN something the pledge of allegiance does not. No one swears an oath to the pledge of allegiance, no one who dies in a war does so for the pledge of allegiance, forcing it down the throat of another generation flies in the face and spits on the sacrifice of those who have died for the Constitution. sad that so many 'patriots' cant see the difference. Maybe you should attend a military funeral, to remind you of what the flag means to the military. Oh, wait - they honor that flag and their country - guess that means they aren't 'patriots' in your eyes. I'll wager I've been to more THIS YEAR alone, than you have. QuoteToo bad you evidently didn't learn anything while you were there. Yes, we're supposed to learn that dead heroes = forced, imposed rules. QuoteThey swore an oath to the CONSTITUTION, (so did you apparently) have you forgotten what that oath or the document you swore it to state? QuoteSure haven't - maybe can come to a point sometime soon and show where the two are mutually exclusive. They are different in that one is a realationship to the people from the gov, the other is a commitment from a soldier citizen to the gov/people. QuoteMMM MMM MMM Barack Hussein Obama You keep doing that, I guess for lack of anything substantive to say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #63 September 3, 2010 to bad YOU didn't learn anything while you were in service. Fuck you for disrespecting my family, my friends, all of those who have served and died. Do you recall your Oath? Does it still hold meaning to you? Have you READ the document you swore it to? Does it mean anything to you? Apparently not because you seem to think that enforcing a pledge (one made up to spite the Communist threat and so become more like them) means more than the Principles the flag represents? Communist countries mandate oaths of loyalty by their youth, and here I thought you were an American, but instead you illustrate that lip service, and mandated ritual, and words repeated on order is what matters over principles. No one has to stand, no one has to salute, no one is forced to give any more respect than they CHOOSE to show; to the flag, to the soldiers who died for it, or to you (despite your disrespect for the fact of their sacrifice) because of their service, the absolute commitment to their Oath and the price they paid because of it. Every serviceman VOLUNTARILY swears and oath to the Constitution, the foundation of our country. Inherent in that document (one you apparently haven't read despite your oath to it) is the FREEDOM TO CHOOSE. Respect is given VOLUNTARILY as well, or it means nothing. I respect the Oath, I respect the Constitution, I respect those who have died in service of our country. I CHOOSE to do so. Every time you attempt to force someone to pay what you believe is 'due respect' you are spitting on the oath, the flag and sacrifice made by our service members to ensure that choice is not made for you or for future generations. You I have no respect for, for you fail to understand what is truly important, why the sacrifice is necessary, and yet still call yourself a patriot while demanding that choice be taken away from others. If a child wants to sit through the pledge of allegiance (or any pledge like the ridiculous Obama chant you bring up) it is their right to do so... our service men die to guarantee it.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airdvr 200 #64 September 3, 2010 buh byePlease don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #65 September 3, 2010 QuoteCommunist countries mandate oaths of loyalty by their youth, and here I thought you were an American, but instead you illustrate that lip service, and mandated ritual, and words repeated on order is what matters over principles. As odd as it might sound, Communism and Capitalism have more in common than does Socialism. Look at who aligned during WWII. Look at the current distribution of wealth. The alleged opposing ideologies are really sisters in some ways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #66 September 3, 2010 Quote What's wrong in Education today!!!! What's wrong in with Eeducation today!!!! Whats wrong with education today? Go figure.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Abedy 0 #67 September 3, 2010 Quote During the weekly Pledge of Allegiance, everyone in my class room will stand. You do not have to Pledge Allegiance, but you will stand to show respect for those who have fought and died for your right not to. How pathetic. I grew up with things like that and never liked it. And I don't think chanting words will change anything.The sky is not the limit. The ground is. The Society of Skydiving Ducks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #68 September 3, 2010 QuoteI know I've posted this before-but I've never been prouder of my beautiful bride http://www.wyff4.com/video/23769121/index.html Citizenship is an important subject. She is an attractive lady. As for the pledge itself, I don't see that citizenship and the pledge are connected. Outside of Communist and a few third world countries I don't know of any other nation that make children pledge everyday. Watching the video you posted reminds me of Soviet Russia, change the language and the uniforms but otherwise its just the same.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites winsor 187 #69 September 3, 2010 QuoteReality, meet Lucky Lucky, meet reality Please get to know each other, I'm tired of reading drivel. Skip past it. It works for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites winsor 187 #70 September 3, 2010 Quote At a faculty meeting today, teachers were told that we cannot require students to stand for the weekly Pledge of Allegiance. It might be construed by an attorney to be in violation with their "constitutional" rights?????? Today is the first time in almost 20 years of teaching that I'm ashamed of my profession! What adds insult to injury is that several returning vets of the recent wars were present to here this. Parents and students be warned... During the weekly Pledge of Allegiance, everyone in my class room will stand. You do not have to Pledge Allegiance, but you will stand to show respect for those who have fought and died for your right not to. When I was in High School a number of people refused to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance, for a variety of legitimate reasons. For one thing, I went to school in the Occupied Confederacy. We freely joined and freely left the Union, and were brought back into the fold under force of arms, by a president for whom we were not afforded the opportunity to vote out of office. The Pledge is a throwback to that ignoble chapter in our glorious nation's history (one nation... indivisible - like it or not), and has been further modified to suit other agenda (under "god?" which one? Zeus? Odin? Gichimanitou?) along the way. We pride ourselves as a nation of rugged individualists in theory, but aspire in practice to be something between sheep and lemmings. The Pledge is but a reflection of that, according to one school of thought. For someone to sit during the Pledge is to demonstrate an understanding of what should be taught in Civics - that it is not only the right, but the obligation, for the population to think. Government with the consent of the governed is not achieved by coercion; if you want people to stand as a sign of respect, earn that respect. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #71 September 3, 2010 QuoteQuoteI'm told (and I'm checking into it) the state requires us to reciet the Pledge once a week??? As for the meaning of the words, These are High School students. If they don't get it, we have bigger issues. On Wednesday, I'll be playing Red Skeltons version of the Pledge. This is not a new issue. I'll share with you John Wayne's Version of the Pledge of Allegiance I don't know wether to laugh or cry. I don't mean to be disrespectful or offend you but are you serious? That post is as cheesy as a big mac. Honestly tell me, do you really think of America in those terms? It seems looking from the outside in that the link is harping back to glory days of the USA that never really existed outside of Hollywood celuloid. Maybe that is why John Wayne, the greatest US warrior that never was is the subject of the film.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites winsor 187 #72 September 3, 2010 Parents and students be warned... During the weekly Pledge of Allegiance, everyone in my class room will stand. You do not have to Pledge Allegiance, but you will stand to show respect for those who have fought and died for your right not to. There are those who will sit out of respect for those who fought and died against the Goddamnedyankee scum who invaded sovereign territory to inflict their notion of "Union." The Union as envisioned by Yankees is like the voluntary lovemaking between spouses. The Union as inflicted upon the Confederacy is more akin to sex violently forced upon a spouse who has filed for legal separation and taken out a restraining order. The North is on a par with the rapist who imagines himself to be the last of the red hot lovers, and sees his screaming victim as simply playing "hard to get." "Come on, you love it!" The Pledge is thus like the errant wife being forcibly kept and told to repeat how much she is in awe of her spouse and will never leave again - lest she have her eyes further blackend and more teeth knocked out. "What do you say to a woman with two black eyes?" "Nothing - you already told her twice!" Yeah, making kids stand will certainly earn their "respect," all right. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #63 September 3, 2010 to bad YOU didn't learn anything while you were in service. Fuck you for disrespecting my family, my friends, all of those who have served and died. Do you recall your Oath? Does it still hold meaning to you? Have you READ the document you swore it to? Does it mean anything to you? Apparently not because you seem to think that enforcing a pledge (one made up to spite the Communist threat and so become more like them) means more than the Principles the flag represents? Communist countries mandate oaths of loyalty by their youth, and here I thought you were an American, but instead you illustrate that lip service, and mandated ritual, and words repeated on order is what matters over principles. No one has to stand, no one has to salute, no one is forced to give any more respect than they CHOOSE to show; to the flag, to the soldiers who died for it, or to you (despite your disrespect for the fact of their sacrifice) because of their service, the absolute commitment to their Oath and the price they paid because of it. Every serviceman VOLUNTARILY swears and oath to the Constitution, the foundation of our country. Inherent in that document (one you apparently haven't read despite your oath to it) is the FREEDOM TO CHOOSE. Respect is given VOLUNTARILY as well, or it means nothing. I respect the Oath, I respect the Constitution, I respect those who have died in service of our country. I CHOOSE to do so. Every time you attempt to force someone to pay what you believe is 'due respect' you are spitting on the oath, the flag and sacrifice made by our service members to ensure that choice is not made for you or for future generations. You I have no respect for, for you fail to understand what is truly important, why the sacrifice is necessary, and yet still call yourself a patriot while demanding that choice be taken away from others. If a child wants to sit through the pledge of allegiance (or any pledge like the ridiculous Obama chant you bring up) it is their right to do so... our service men die to guarantee it.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 200 #64 September 3, 2010 buh byePlease don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #65 September 3, 2010 QuoteCommunist countries mandate oaths of loyalty by their youth, and here I thought you were an American, but instead you illustrate that lip service, and mandated ritual, and words repeated on order is what matters over principles. As odd as it might sound, Communism and Capitalism have more in common than does Socialism. Look at who aligned during WWII. Look at the current distribution of wealth. The alleged opposing ideologies are really sisters in some ways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #66 September 3, 2010 Quote What's wrong in Education today!!!! What's wrong in with Eeducation today!!!! Whats wrong with education today? Go figure.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abedy 0 #67 September 3, 2010 Quote During the weekly Pledge of Allegiance, everyone in my class room will stand. You do not have to Pledge Allegiance, but you will stand to show respect for those who have fought and died for your right not to. How pathetic. I grew up with things like that and never liked it. And I don't think chanting words will change anything.The sky is not the limit. The ground is. The Society of Skydiving Ducks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #68 September 3, 2010 QuoteI know I've posted this before-but I've never been prouder of my beautiful bride http://www.wyff4.com/video/23769121/index.html Citizenship is an important subject. She is an attractive lady. As for the pledge itself, I don't see that citizenship and the pledge are connected. Outside of Communist and a few third world countries I don't know of any other nation that make children pledge everyday. Watching the video you posted reminds me of Soviet Russia, change the language and the uniforms but otherwise its just the same.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 187 #69 September 3, 2010 QuoteReality, meet Lucky Lucky, meet reality Please get to know each other, I'm tired of reading drivel. Skip past it. It works for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 187 #70 September 3, 2010 Quote At a faculty meeting today, teachers were told that we cannot require students to stand for the weekly Pledge of Allegiance. It might be construed by an attorney to be in violation with their "constitutional" rights?????? Today is the first time in almost 20 years of teaching that I'm ashamed of my profession! What adds insult to injury is that several returning vets of the recent wars were present to here this. Parents and students be warned... During the weekly Pledge of Allegiance, everyone in my class room will stand. You do not have to Pledge Allegiance, but you will stand to show respect for those who have fought and died for your right not to. When I was in High School a number of people refused to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance, for a variety of legitimate reasons. For one thing, I went to school in the Occupied Confederacy. We freely joined and freely left the Union, and were brought back into the fold under force of arms, by a president for whom we were not afforded the opportunity to vote out of office. The Pledge is a throwback to that ignoble chapter in our glorious nation's history (one nation... indivisible - like it or not), and has been further modified to suit other agenda (under "god?" which one? Zeus? Odin? Gichimanitou?) along the way. We pride ourselves as a nation of rugged individualists in theory, but aspire in practice to be something between sheep and lemmings. The Pledge is but a reflection of that, according to one school of thought. For someone to sit during the Pledge is to demonstrate an understanding of what should be taught in Civics - that it is not only the right, but the obligation, for the population to think. Government with the consent of the governed is not achieved by coercion; if you want people to stand as a sign of respect, earn that respect. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #71 September 3, 2010 QuoteQuoteI'm told (and I'm checking into it) the state requires us to reciet the Pledge once a week??? As for the meaning of the words, These are High School students. If they don't get it, we have bigger issues. On Wednesday, I'll be playing Red Skeltons version of the Pledge. This is not a new issue. I'll share with you John Wayne's Version of the Pledge of Allegiance I don't know wether to laugh or cry. I don't mean to be disrespectful or offend you but are you serious? That post is as cheesy as a big mac. Honestly tell me, do you really think of America in those terms? It seems looking from the outside in that the link is harping back to glory days of the USA that never really existed outside of Hollywood celuloid. Maybe that is why John Wayne, the greatest US warrior that never was is the subject of the film.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 187 #72 September 3, 2010 Parents and students be warned... During the weekly Pledge of Allegiance, everyone in my class room will stand. You do not have to Pledge Allegiance, but you will stand to show respect for those who have fought and died for your right not to. There are those who will sit out of respect for those who fought and died against the Goddamnedyankee scum who invaded sovereign territory to inflict their notion of "Union." The Union as envisioned by Yankees is like the voluntary lovemaking between spouses. The Union as inflicted upon the Confederacy is more akin to sex violently forced upon a spouse who has filed for legal separation and taken out a restraining order. The North is on a par with the rapist who imagines himself to be the last of the red hot lovers, and sees his screaming victim as simply playing "hard to get." "Come on, you love it!" The Pledge is thus like the errant wife being forcibly kept and told to repeat how much she is in awe of her spouse and will never leave again - lest she have her eyes further blackend and more teeth knocked out. "What do you say to a woman with two black eyes?" "Nothing - you already told her twice!" Yeah, making kids stand will certainly earn their "respect," all right. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #73 September 3, 2010 A bit strong old boy, but I see what you're saying. If I understand you correctly then the pledge is used as a victory cry every morning against southern children who have been culturally occupied by the ideology of the northern states of the USA. So in the southern states the pledge is nothing more that rubbing salt into the wounds of generations of southern children, a crowing mockery against the vanquished everyday for generations? Is that what you're saying?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,259 #74 September 3, 2010 QuoteQuoteI'm told (and I'm checking into it) the state requires us to reciet the Pledge once a week??? As for the meaning of the words, These are High School students. If they don't get it, we have bigger issues. On Wednesday, I'll be playing Red Skeltons version of the Pledge. This is not a new issue. I'll share with you John Wayne's Version of the Pledge of Allegiance "A land where free speech and dissent is jealously guarded" Not that John Wayne actually believed that (the McCarthyite bastard) but it is correct. I'm also reminded of Catch 22s Glorious Loyalty Oath Crusade...Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 187 #75 September 3, 2010 QuoteA bit strong old boy, but I see what you're saying. If I understand you correctly then the pledge is used as a victory cry every morning against southern children who have been culturally occupied by the ideology of the northern states of the USA. So in the southern states the pledge is nothing more that rubbing salt into the wounds of generations of southern children, a crowing mockery against the vanquished everyday for generations? Is that what you're saying? Pretty much - that was precisely the origin of the pledge, and it has only metasticized in the meantime. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
