Venezuelan Gun Control

[JohnRich 4]

News, 2006:

Venezuela Announces Gun Control Plan to Lower Crime

The National Weapons Control Plan was announced by the Minister of Justice and Interior...

“We are going to get the ball rolling on this disarmament plan in order to take all of those [weapons] that are found to be illegal out of circulation... By the end of July, we expect to be able to count on a complete registry of the whole range of weapons that are out there... in the hands of the civilian population.”

According to Minister Chacon, the plan has two strategic goals: disarmament and weapons control. Under disarmament, the plan is to destroy all of the excess, legal or illegal, weapons in the country, whether captured or turned in voluntarily. The weapons control plan attempts to bring about the registration of all of Venezuela’s weapons.

Source: http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/1812

From the Venezuelan Embassy, 2006:

Venezuelan Government to Start Disarmament Plan

More than USD $2.5 million will be used for a disarmament plan designed by the Venezuelan government in order to reduce crime rates and death by firearms in the country. A press release explained that this new plan aims to minimize arms possession by civilians. The government will pay about USD $150 for a revolver and $250 for a gun, after having collected the weapons and store them at a military facility.

Source: http://www.embavenez-us.org/news.php?nid=2622

All this gun confiscation and gun registration started four years ago, enacted with the iron fist of dictator Hugo Chavez, should have produced a most peaceful low-crime nation, right? At least, that's what the gun-control lovers would have us believe, because they assert that the fewer guns there are in circulation, the less chance there will be of harmful crimes.

So, how did that work out?

News, 2010:

Venezuela murder-rate quadrupled under Chavez

The Venezuelan Observatory of Violence (OVV), whose data is widely followed in the absence of official statistics, said the South American nation has one of the highest crime rates on the continent, with 54 homicides per 100,000 citizens in 2009.

He collates his figures from police sources and media reports. When Chavez came to power in 1999 there were 4,550 homicides whereas in 2009 there were 16,047, the OVV said.

That means Venezuela experiences every month about as many deaths as occurred in the Gaza Strip during Israel's early 2009 offensive.

With a murder rate of 140 per 100,000 citizens, Venezuela's capital Caracas has the highest murder rate in South America, only exceeded in the hemisphere by Mexico's Ciudad Juarez...

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62A44A20100311

The gun-control lovers have some explaining to do.

[BIGUN 1,053]

"Gun-related" homicides or the implied position that homicides could have been reduced if the victim had a gun?

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Most of the deaths occur in crowded slums, but crime impinges on all sectors. In richer residential areas at night, cars shoot through red lights on often deserted streets and few people are willing to risk walking outside.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[e_nevett 0]

With Chávez violent speech, its impossible to lower the crime and murder rates. He also imports any kind of new weapons for the "militar forces" and ditributes the old ones into his militia,,,

[akarunway 1]

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News, 2006:

Venezuela Announces Gun Control Plan to Lower Crime

The National Weapons Control Plan was announced by the Minister of Justice and Interior...

“We are going to get the ball rolling on this disarmament plan in order to take all of those [weapons] that are found to be illegal out of circulation... By the end of July, we expect to be able to count on a complete registry of the whole range of weapons that are out there... in the hands of the civilian population.”

According to Minister Chacon, the plan has two strategic goals: disarmament and weapons control. Under disarmament, the plan is to destroy all of the excess, legal or illegal, weapons in the country, whether captured or turned in voluntarily. The weapons control plan attempts to bring about the registration of all of Venezuela’s weapons.

Source: http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/1812

From the Venezuelan Embassy, 2006:

Venezuelan Government to Start Disarmament Plan

More than USD $2.5 million will be used for a disarmament plan designed by the Venezuelan government in order to reduce crime rates and death by firearms in the country. A press release explained that this new plan aims to minimize arms possession by civilians. The government will pay about USD $150 for a revolver and $250 for a gun, after having collected the weapons and store them at a military facility.

Source: http://www.embavenez-us.org/news.php?nid=2622

All this gun confiscation and gun registration started four years ago, enacted with the iron fist of dictator Hugo Chavez, should have produced a most peaceful low-crime nation, right? At least, that's what the gun-control lovers would have us believe, because they assert that the fewer guns there are in circulation, the less chance there will be of harmful crimes.

So, how did that work out?

News, 2010:

Venezuela murder-rate quadrupled under Chavez

The Venezuelan Observatory of Violence (OVV), whose data is widely followed in the absence of official statistics, said the South American nation has one of the highest crime rates on the continent, with 54 homicides per 100,000 citizens in 2009.

He collates his figures from police sources and media reports. When Chavez came to power in 1999 there were 4,550 homicides whereas in 2009 there were 16,047, the OVV said.

That means Venezuela experiences every month about as many deaths as occurred in the Gaza Strip during Israel's early 2009 offensive.

With a murder rate of 140 per 100,000 citizens, Venezuela's capital Caracas has the highest murder rate in South America, only exceeded in the hemisphere by Mexico's Ciudad Juarez...

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62A44A20100311

The gun-control lovers have some explaining to do.

All the criminals will turn in their guns don't ya know?

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Fixed the thread title.

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[rhaig 0]

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"Gun-related" homicides or the implied position that homicides could have been reduced if the victim had a gun?

as I've posted before. the gun grabbers want guns out of the hands of citizens in order to reduce "gun crime". While gun enthusiasts (we prefer that term over "nuts") want guns in the hands of willing citizens to reduce violent crime.

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Rob

[BIGUN 1,053]

Well, I too and a "gun enthusiast," but, the two articles cited from 2006 with the subsequent article from 2010 which does not statistically attribute the increase in homicides to guns can be misleading. That's why I cropped the part in the last article about vehicles. The increase in homicides does not have to be done by guns...

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[christelsabine 1]

Wow, you ran out of ammo? Had to roll over South American news papers to fortify your need?

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[rhaig 0]

so when provided an example from recent history of how disarming the public and enacting strict gun control, your immediate response is ridicule??

is that all you can come up with?

running short on ammo?

--
Rob

[DanG 1]

In all fairness, no one has posted any data on how many guns were actually confiscated. Announcing a plan to confiscate guns is a lot different than actually doing it. If you can correlate a reduction in gun ownership to an increase in crime, your point would be much stronger.

- Dan G

[jaitken 0]

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If you can correlate a reduction in gun ownership to an increase in crime [...]

As luck would have it, England and Australia have volunteered to do exactly that.

"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough."
--Mario Andretti

[DanG 1]

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As luck would have it, England and Australia have volunteered to do exactly that.

Then why are we talking about Venezuela? If you want to use Venezuela's experience to reinforce an argument about England, Australia, or the US, then you have to actually provide data about Venezuela.

- Dan G

[lippy 772]

I think that trying to associate the 2006 plan and the increase in crime is a HUGE stretch.

The increase in crime is most likely related to the DRASTIC turn for the worse that Venezuela took when Chavez came into power, and it's continuing to go down hill. There's been a huge separation in class and there are a lot of people who have next to nothing there. In almost every part of the country, they're currently rationing electricity and water.

I got nuthin

[JohnRich 4]

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The increase in crime is most likely related to the DRASTIC turn for the worse that Venezuela took when Chavez came into power, and it's continuing to go down hill...

So you're saying that crime isn't caused by the mere presence of guns.
Rather, it's caused by social conditions, like poverty.
Very good.

[lippy 772]

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So you're saying that crime isn't caused by the mere presence of guns.
Rather, it's caused by social conditions, like poverty.
Very good.

THAT'S why I generally stay out of SC. You guys have nothing better to do than argue in circles all day?

I got nuthin

[Andy9o8 0]

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So you're saying that crime isn't caused by the mere presence of guns.
Rather, it's caused by social conditions, like poverty.
Very good.

THAT'S why I generally stay out of SC. You guys have nothing better to do than argue in circles all day?

You wouldn't say that if you loved your country. Why do you hate America?

[JohnRich 4]

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So you're saying that crime isn't caused by the mere presence of guns.
Rather, it's caused by social conditions, like poverty.
Very good.

THAT'S why I generally stay out of SC. You guys have nothing better to do than argue in circles all day?

So you're saying furthermore that, as long as those crime-causing social conditions exist, crime will continue to occur, regardless of whatever gun-control measures are implemented. Very good!