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QuoteAs I said earlier, the concept is higher power, God as you understand him.
St Peter... "Uhh, Ron, I was looking at the internet in Sept and
noticed your mention of other 'higher powers' and such..."
Seems like if you are a Christian, then there is only one higher power. You can't really recognize the "others" as valid.
I am surprised that you are accepting of that.
If they understand Allah to be The Higher Power and obviously
reject Christianity, then I can't see how Christians would
support the concept.
(Chemical dependency isn't necessarily alcohol.
It could be painkillers, some type of legal pharmacy stuff that
got out of hand. Muslims could get into a 12-step program on
a basis that didn't conflict with their religion. Just an example.)
"Allah" is simply the Arabic word for "God". Arab Christians refer to God as "Allah".QuoteQuoteAs I said earlier, the concept is higher power, God as you understand him.
St Peter... "Uhh, Ron, I was looking at the internet in Sept and
noticed your mention of other 'higher powers' and such..."
Seems like if you are a Christian, then there is only one higher power. You can't really recognize the "others" as valid.
I am surprised that you are accepting of that.
If they understand Allah to be The Higher Power and obviously
reject Christianity, then I can't see how Christians would
support the concept.
(Chemical dependency isn't necessarily alcohol.
It could be painkillers, some type of legal pharmacy stuff that
got out of hand. Muslims could get into a 12-step program on
a basis that didn't conflict with their religion. Just an example.)
And Christians, Jews, and Muslims, whether Arab or not, all worship the God of Abraham. They all believe that that is the only God that exists anyway, so all other email gets forwarded to him.
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according to DSM-IV, uh!? so you studied psychology? or have some sort of medical degree?
and i dont mean your 9 month bible study group on college level..
and i dont mean your 9 month bible study group on college level..
“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.”
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
Chemical addiction is a problem that may be overcome thru self acutalzation/religon. There are no 12 step programs that have a success rate like AA or NA for depression or schizophrenics for a reason. Believing crazy shit; makes you buy definition; crazy.
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Are you being serious? Christianity didn't exist when Jesus walked the earth (Even if you accept that he still lives in a spirit form, that doesn't change the fact that he was a Jew)
If you don't believe that Jesus was a Jew just what religion do you think he was?
He was certainly Jewish. He was also the Messiah, The Son of God, The Word in the flesh, The Son of man, the propitiation for man's sin, victorious over death to name a few things.
When Saul encountered Jesus on the road to Damascus his name became Paul and he was subsequently directed to take the message to the Gentiles.
Ahh yes, Paul. He is the real father of Christianity. A former Christian hater. We only have his word about his 'meeting' with Jesus on that road, as no one else was there.. He never met Jesus in person when he walked the earth in a physical body and fell out with Barnabas et al when he directly contradicted the teachings of Jesus. Who said that he not come to change the laws of Abraham. Yet Paul advocated non circumcisionn and eating pig meat.
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Chemical dependency is a problem.
However, it may be a symptom, not the core problem.
By avoiding the dependency, you mitigate the health impacts and
the life issues. That is certainly helpful, but it is not a resolution.
However, resolving the core emotional problem is the actual goal of therapy.
I wouldn't expect any therapist to change years of behavior in
3 sessions. Therefore, the popularity of free programs.
Back to my original premise, I would expect that the "higher power" in Muslim countries of the middle East to not be Christian.
Should such a program exist without Jesus?
Would you support such a program?
Would it be effective?
Substance abuse/chemical dependency is a primary Axis I diagnosis according to the DSM-IV. There is no further consideration of core problems.
Stay abstinent, stop committing crime. If you use, you go to jail.
I don't know of any truly free programs. They are usually not for profit organizations but BIG bucks flow through them. Clients are required to pay something. In my last position, a court ordered probationer paid about $650-700 for the 12 week program.
It is my understanding that alcoholism in the Muslim culture is punishable by death. I may be mistaken but seems like I heard it grouped in with homosexuality and the like.
As a spirit filled Christian what are your beliefs about homosexuality? Do you view it as a sin?
When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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Seems like if you are a Christian, then there is only one higher power. You can't really recognize the "others" as valid.
I am surprised that you are accepting of that.
If they understand Allah to be The Higher Power and obviously
reject Christianity, then I can't see how Christians would
support the concept.
(Chemical dependency isn't necessarily alcohol.
It could be painkillers, some type of legal pharmacy stuff that
got out of hand. Muslims could get into a 12-step program on
a basis that didn't conflict with their religion. Just an example.)
I wear many hats. I am a Christian and hold a MA in Rehab Counseling. My profession required me to work in different environments. My job description did not include sharing the good news of the gospel.
The last program I worked for had a few Muslim counselors on staff. In my previous post I was thinking about Muslims in the mid-east.
Remember, the focus of treatment is to get sober and stay sober, short and long term goal. Next, stop committing crime and learn to be productive, long term goal beyond treatment.
The word sober is generic and refers to the abstinence from all mood altering chemicals.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
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Quoteaccording to DSM-IV, uh!? so you studied psychology? or have some sort of medical degree?
and i dont mean your 9 month bible study group on college level..
I hold a Master of Arts degree in Rehabilitation Counseling from the University of South Florida, matriculated 1973.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
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QuoteChemical addiction is a problem that may be overcome thru self acutalzation/religon. There are no 12 step programs that have a success rate like AA or NA for depression or schizophrenics for a reason. Believing crazy shit; makes you buy definition; crazy.
Major Depression, Bipolar Disorder and Schizophrenia are best treated, that is managed, with prescribed medication.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
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As a spirit filled Christian what are your beliefs about homosexuality? Do you view it as a sin?
All sex outside of marriage is sin because it is attention toward the flesh and not God. The Bible considers homosexuality as an abomination and not acceptable in any fashion. It is lust of the flesh.
My professional employment required me to work with homosexuals, male and female, as colleagues and as clients.
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God’s Wrath on Unrighteousness
Romas 1:(NKJV)
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
so, you think homosexuals should be killed!? because thats whats written there..
Quote32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.”
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
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"Allah" is simply the Arabic word for "God". Arab Christians refer to God as "Allah".
And Christians, Jews, and Muslims, whether Arab or not, all worship the God of Abraham. They all believe that that is the only God that exists anyway, so all other email gets forwarded to him.
Good one!
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
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Quoteso, you think homosexuals should be killed!? because thats whats written there..
Quote32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
The sin of man results in spiritual death. Jesus Christ paid the price for all sin, for all men, for all time. If you accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God, Son of Man, His atoning death as propitiation of sin and, His resurrection from the grave, you can be forgiven of your sin and receive spiritual life.
Sin is sin, it separates man from God. The gateway back to God is through Jesus.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
QuoteQuoteso, you think homosexuals should be killed!? because thats whats written there..
Quote32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
The sin of man results in spiritual death. Jesus Christ paid the price for all sin, for all men, for all time. If you accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God, Son of Man, His atoning death as propitiation of sin and, His resurrection from the grave you can be forgiven of your sin and receive spiritual life.
Sin is sin, it separates man from God. The gateway back to God is through Jesus.
so, in fact, you can "pray the gay away"!?
“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.”
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
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QuoteQuoteQuoteso, you think homosexuals should be killed!? because thats whats written there..
Quote32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
The sin of man results in spiritual death. Jesus Christ paid the price for all sin, for all men, for all time. If you accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God, Son of Man, His atoning death as propitiation of sin and, His resurrection from the grave you can be forgiven of your sin and receive spiritual life.
Sin is sin, it separates man from God. The gateway back to God is through Jesus.
so, in fact, you can "pray the gay away"!?
No, the gay can pray for forgiveness and change their lives. I don't have anything to do with it. Personally, I feel sorry for them. They have a tough life.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
Substance abuse/chemical dependency is a primary Axis I diagnosis according to the DSM-IV. There is no further consideration of core problems.
Stay abstinent, stop committing crime. If you use, you go to jail.
I don't know of any truly free programs. They are usually not for profit organizations but BIG bucks flow through them. Clients are required to pay something. In my last position, a court ordered probationer paid about $650-700 for the 12 week program.
It is my understanding that alcoholism in the Muslim culture is punishable by death. I may be mistaken but seems like I heard it grouped in with homosexuality and the like.
Many recovery programs exits without Jesus. As I said earlier, the concept is higher power, God as you understand him. Yes, I support them and yes, they are effective. You do not have to be a Christian to be straight, clean and sober.
I prefer Christian counseling but, I am a professional and can operate in any client centered environment. I don't care if the client chooses to worship the high priest of the church of the live wire.
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