skinnay 0 #1 April 27, 2009 maybe i'm just particularly sensitive to things like this since my life was greatly changed on september 11th, but this is just unfuckingbelievable. seeing this today gave me the biggest chills ive ever had in my life. i really want to know how its even possible gather such an incompetent group of people to conclude this would be a good idea. http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/air-force-one-backup-rattles-new-york-nerve/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN57C98B310 (not my video) and we pay for this shit? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #2 April 27, 2009 Why are you blaming the FAA and not the Air Force?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #3 April 27, 2009 Clearly a job for photoshop (Iranians have some skilled guys), or at the least scheduling it for a weekend instead. Way to screw with the markets! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,390 #4 April 27, 2009 Ironic. Had a civilian done this, they would have thrown the book at him for panicking the public, but some morons in positions of authority somehow thought it was a swell idea. "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #5 April 27, 2009 From what I heard on the news about this, the authorizing official with the White House Military Office was the "man with the plan". It was a lose-lose. Advertise where one of the Air Force One aircraft will be flying (and from the pics, they were getting low!), and some yahoo digs into his/her hidden arsenal, and boom. Or, don't advertise it, and panic people. Of course, the police or 911 dispatchers could have put out the word once the calls started coming in. That would have been a decent balance of security I suppose. If they followed the same protocol I follow for planning demos, then the FAA had little to do with this other than provide guidelines for authorized use of the air space. There would be no "public notice" involved.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wayneflorida 0 #6 April 28, 2009 I was thinking the same thing about the wisdom of advertising that one of the president's airplane was going to fly low and slow over NYC. Anyhow, -----BOO----- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #7 April 28, 2009 Quote I was thinking the same thing about the wisdom of advertising that one of the president's airplane was going to fly low and slow over NYC. Anyhow, -----BOO----- What I also find interesting is that the current director of the White House Military Office is a civilian...Louis Caldera. He is former Army, left as a Captain (for those that don't know, attaining this rank is pretty much automatic, and it was 30 years ago). Prior to this position, Mr. Caldera was a California State Assemblyman, Secretary of the Army and president of the University of NM. In the previous administration, the director of the WHMO was Rear Admiral Ray Spicer, who also had a role as deputy assistant to the President. Either way, an ambiguous press release would have done well, "There will be low flying government aircraft flying in NYC airspace, and DC airspace." No specific locations, just a date, etc. I'm not impressed with the "talent" in the White House. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #8 April 28, 2009 Look, you can't expect these guys to get everything right. this is directly caused by the mess George Bush left. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #9 April 28, 2009 Quote Quote I was thinking the same thing about the wisdom of advertising that one of the president's airplane was going to fly low and slow over NYC. Anyhow, -----BOO----- What I also find interesting is that the current director of the White House Military Office is a civilian...Louis Caldera. He is former Army, left as a Captain (for those that don't know, attaining this rank is pretty much automatic, and it was 30 years ago). Prior to this position, Mr. Caldera was a California State Assemblyman, Secretary of the Army and president of the University of NM. In the previous administration, the director of the WHMO was Rear Admiral Ray Spicer, who also had a role as deputy assistant to the President. Either way, an ambiguous press release would have done well, "There will be low flying government aircraft flying in NYC airspace, and DC airspace." No specific locations, just a date, etc. I'm not impressed with the "talent" in the White House. I take it you are implying that that is a job that should be filled by a serving soldier. Would a retired career officer do? Do you think the NSA and SecState also should, or is the joint chairman enough? Just how much military presence is appropriate in a civillian government? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #10 April 28, 2009 Let me guess who would put a former captain with not much of a record in as Secretary of the Army.... I would require anyone at that level or above to at least be an O5 or above or have one very substantial record. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #11 April 28, 2009 Quote Quote Quote I was thinking the same thing about the wisdom of advertising that one of the president's airplane was going to fly low and slow over NYC. Anyhow, -----BOO----- What I also find interesting is that the current director of the White House Military Office is a civilian...Louis Caldera. He is former Army, left as a Captain (for those that don't know, attaining this rank is pretty much automatic, and it was 30 years ago). Prior to this position, Mr. Caldera was a California State Assemblyman, Secretary of the Army and president of the University of NM. In the previous administration, the director of the WHMO was Rear Admiral Ray Spicer, who also had a role as deputy assistant to the President. Either way, an ambiguous press release would have done well, "There will be low flying government aircraft flying in NYC airspace, and DC airspace." No specific locations, just a date, etc. I'm not impressed with the "talent" in the White House. I take it you are implying that that is a job that should be filled by a serving soldier. Would a retired career officer do? Do you think the NSA and SecState also should, or is the joint chairman enough? Just how much military presence is appropriate in a civillian government? It's called the "White House Military Office"...So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #12 April 28, 2009 Yes. It is one of those crossover roles between the civilian government and the military. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
