Now the NRA weighs in with some lies.

[normiss 622]

My avatar is used to form an opinion of my political beliefs???

Good Lord man...I LOVE Harleys. Homer is riding one.
I LOVE The Simpson's sarcastic humor!
They regularly make fun of ALL wings, beliefs, religions and nationalities.
I believe in my right to carry and posses weapons, it's that simple. A legal gun owner cannot be stereotyped as a redneck either.
Get a grip.

[piper17 1]

What you feel if he said that he was not voting for Obama because of First Amendment "freedom of speech" issues?

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

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"And on some points it is right; Obama has called for national legislation against carrying concealed firearms, and he would revive and make permanent the expired ban on semi-automatic "assault weapons," for example"

Enough to lose my vote!

With everything going on in the US right now, you base your vote solely on a gun issue? (at least that is what I have to conclude from your post)

No wonder the US is in the state it is now.

You left out the religious issue. Like Obama said: "They cling to their guns and religion". A lot of us do. You might consider stocking up on guns as they are geat currency substitutes when you run out of gold.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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I was a big fan of the NRA - right up until they added three additional letters and starting asking for gobs of money for everything. When it became a lobbying group, I dropped out.

I don't think you understand the organization.

There's the NRA, which sticks to teaching gun safety, building shooting ranges, running competitions, etc.

Then there's the NRA-ILA - that's the political lobbying group.

These two entities are distinct and separate. By law they have to be. You can't intermingle funds. Mailings from the NRA-ILA do not come from NRA funds. It would be against the law to do so.

That's why you perceive that there are so many mailings. They can't send NRA info in the same envelope with NRA-ILA info. They have to be separate mailings.

If you want to support hunting and shooting sports, join the NRA. Then just throw away the ILA mailings if you don't like the lobbying.

But if it weren't for that lobbying, you would have lost your gun rights 30 years ago. Just like self defense - if someone is attacking you, and you sit back and do nothing in response to protect yourself, you're dead. If you don't want your shooting sports to die, you should be a member of the NRA.

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Of course the NRA is biased. Any organization with an agenda is going to be biased towards that agenda.

However, in this case, the NRA is, for the most part, looking at Obama's voting record, while factcheck is looking at his campaign rhetoric. In some cases, factcheck is correct and what the NRA is saying is spin. In others, Obama is saying one thing and voting a different way, and the NRA is saying that how he votes speaks louder than what he's spouting on the campaign trail.

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Of course, the NRA is biased. I and four million + other citizens in this country pay them good money to be biased in support of our Second Amendment rights.

I contribute to them so they will have the financial clout to counteract the activities of the left-wing, socialist people and organizations like the Brady bunch in this country. These left-wing groups don't seem to understand that keeping and bearing arms is an individual right...despite the volumes of writings of the framers of our Constitution and Bill of Rights...not to mention earlier English Common Law and the recent Supreme Court decision.

An organization that claims to check/verify facts and makes it part of their name should be unbiased...unlike national organizations like the NRA...or the NEA, AFL-CIO, AMA, etc. that have a responsibility to their members to be biased in their favor and work for their interests.

Put down the Kool-Aid.

I don't know why this post was made in reply to me. I'm pretty sure it's well understood here that I'm a "gun nut" () -- and I'm an NRA Life Member who proudly wears articles of clothing to that effect through TSA airport checkpoints (and have gotten approbation from some of the employees and fellow travelers when doing so).

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I believe in my right to carry and posses weapons, it's that simple. A legal gun owner cannot be stereotyped as a redneck either.
Get a grip.

The people who despise us for standing firm for our right to keep and bear arms are not capable of thinking anything other than "must be a redneck". It's how they enable themselves to sleep at night. If not for writing us off as dumb redneck motherfuckers who are intellectually beneath them, they could not rationalizes their hatred of our constitutional right, and they would be terrified that we are armed and they are not.

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I was a big fan of the NRA - right up until they added three additional letters and starting asking for gobs of money for everything. When it became a lobbying group, I dropped out.

But if it weren't for that lobbying, you would have lost your gun rights 30 years ago. Just like self defense - if someone is attacking you, and you sit back and do nothing to protect yourself, you're dead.

EXACTLY.

It's not as though without an NRA to defend your gun rights, the anti-gun left would not have written law after law to strip them from you. I mean, look at the laws we've seen go through even despite the existence of the NRA, GOA, JPFO, CCRKBA, etc. ... Sitting down and doing nothing would have long ago given rise to a total loss of gun rights in this country.

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[normiss 622]

You're both right.
Thanks for prompting me to reconsider.
Renewal in progress.
Thirty Five dollars????

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You're both right.
Thanks for prompting me to reconsider.
Renewal in progress.
Thirty Five dollars????

Something like that. I thank you very much for reconsidering. We need your support.


You might want to look into the "Easy-pay Life" membership. It's what I did. Something like $25 per quarter until you've paid off $750 (it may have risen since I did it several years ago).

I paid $35 per year for a long time before I finally said, "Enough. Let me just become a Life Member." The sooner you do it, the less you squander. Then you won't have to pay anything annually unless you want to donate -- as to the NRA-ILA, whose functions now are every bit as important as the gun-safety functions of the main organization. As JohnRich said, it's the NRA-ILA that got us shall-issue concealed carry, and works to stave off further "assault-weapons bans."

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In just about every gun thread I read - and frankly, in the national debate on the issue - people on all sides of the issue pretty much ignore (except to be derisive) the regional and subcultural differences that so strongly inform attitudes about weapons generally, and guns in particular. It's too bad, because it's actually the 900-pound gorilla in the room, but nobody talks about it. I really don't see the national debate being productive until people work to reconcile and harmonize the cultural attitudes, rather than just be strident and try to win. Both sides are equally guilty of this.

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You're both right.
Thanks for prompting me to reconsider.
Renewal in progress.
Thirty Five dollars????

Hey! The ACLU is having its annual membership drive.

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You're both right.
Thanks for prompting me to reconsider.
Renewal in progress.
Thirty Five dollars????

Hey! The ACLU is having its annual membership drive.

Screw those liberal, small-penis elitists.

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In just about every gun thread I read - and frankly, in the national debate on the issue - people on all sides of the issue pretty much ignore (except to be derisive) the regional and subcultural differences that so strongly inform attitudes about weapons generally, and guns in particular. It's too bad, because it's actually the 900-pound gorilla in the room, but nobody talks about it. I really don't see the national debate being productive until people work to reconcile and harmonize the cultural attitudes, rather than just be strident and try to win. Both sides are equally guilty of this.

I think more problems than gun control would be solved if we found a way to reconcile and harmonize cultural attitudes across the country. Easier said than done.

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...people on all sides of the issue pretty much ignore (except to be derisive) the regional and subcultural differences that so strongly inform attitudes about weapons generally, and guns in particular. It's too bad, because it's actually the 900-pound gorilla in the room, but nobody talks about it. I really don't see the national debate being productive until people work to reconcile and harmonize the cultural attitudes...

When one subculture tries to take away the property and constitutional rights of another subculture, then there's not much room for "harmony". They need to just mind their own business and respect the other subculture (legal gun owners), which isn't doing anything to bother them. Gun owners respect the choice of others not to own guns, if that's their wish. We're not trying to force them to own a gun. However, the gun-o-phobes don't respect the choice of gun owners, and do try and take away their guns. So I don't see much room for harmony there.

If they want to quit attacking ME, and go after the criminals instead, then I'll stand side-by-side with them.

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Ditto. Well said, JohnRich.

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[Andy9o8 0]

As I've said before, John, referring to exceedingly average middle-class NorthEasterners who've never been around guns in their life a "gun-o-phobes" - or someone referring to an ordinary Texan who grew up with and has been around firearms his whole life, as a "gun nut" - is exactly the kind of stridency that I'm referring to.

Momma always told me you get more flies with honey than with vinegar. (Why I'd want the flies is something we didn't get into.)

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Typically, "gun nuts" don't refer to non-gun-owners as anything until and unless they have tried to take away our gun rights, or tarred us with epithets themselves, first. Once that occurs, I think it's fair to develop and use an accurate term to describe them. It's not feasible to use all of their first names each time we refer to them, you know.

We ("gun nuts") are mostly a live-and-let-live set. It's they who come after us to try to tell us what we may do, own, etc. Why would we call them anything before we got called names by them? They are the ones who disparage our choice. We are perfectly content to let them live their lives without guns if they so choose.

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[AggieDave 6]

You know, I really don't care if you do NOT own a gun. I don't care if you have never shot a gun. I do care if you try to remove MY right to have a gun.

If you do own a gun and its an interesting weapons (for historical, tactical or just gee-whiz factor), I'd like to go to the range with you and shoot it.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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We ("gun nuts") are mostly a live-and-let-live set. It's they who come after us to try to tell us what we may do, own, etc. Why would we call them anything before we got called names by them? They are the ones who disparage our choice. We are perfectly content to let them live their lives without guns if they so choose.

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We ("gun nuts") are mostly a live-and-let-live set. It's they who come after us to try to tell us what we may do, own, etc. Why would we call them anything before we got called names by them? They are the ones who disparage our choice. We are perfectly content to let them live their lives without guns if they so choose.

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Your best post ever

Based on what, accuracy?

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We ("gun nuts") are mostly a live-and-let-live set. It's they who come after us to try to tell us what we may do, own, etc. Why would we call them anything before we got called names by them? They are the ones who disparage our choice. We are perfectly content to let them live their lives without guns if they so choose.

Bwawahahahahaha .....

Your best post ever

Based on what, accuracy?

Must be.

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I was a big fan of the NRA - right up until they added three additional letters and starting asking for gobs of money for everything. When it became a lobbying group, I dropped out.

I don't think you understand the organization.

There's the NRA, which sticks to teaching gun safety, building shooting ranges, running competitions, etc.

Then there's the NRA-ILA - that's the political lobbying group.

These two entities are distinct and separate. By law they have to be. You can't intermingle funds. Mailings from the NRA-ILA do not come from NRA funds. It would be against the law to do so.

That's why you perceive that there are so many mailings. They can't send NRA info in the same envelope with NRA-ILA info. They have to be separate mailings.

If you want to support hunting and shooting sports, join the NRA. Then just throw away the ILA mailings if you don't like the lobbying.

But if it weren't for that lobbying, you would have lost your gun rights 30 years ago. Just like self defense - if someone is attacking you, and you sit back and do nothing in response to protect yourself, you're dead. If you don't want your shooting sports to die, you should be a member of the NRA.

Here here! Great post. If you own a gun you should be a member of the NRA!

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