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jcd11235 0
Quote>There are jobs that require split second, decision making ability
>to keep other members of the team safe. There's no time to
>say, "wow man, what are we supposed to do next."
That's exactly right. No one should be drunk or stoned when doing such things. That also has nothing to do with its legality. Alcohol is legal; surely you don't think that that makes it OK for pilots to be drunk!
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jenfly00 0
QuoteIf it were legalized, which I don't have a problem with for medical purposes, some employers whould have to have mandatory testing just for the saftey of all employees.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------There are jobs that require split second, decision making ability to keep other members of the team safe. There's no time to say, "wow man, what are we supposed to do next."QuoteWhy would anyone's safety be at risk?
Then test them for impairment.
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"O brave new world that has such people in it".
"O brave new world that has such people in it".
You musta had some LAME friends. I was taking the badass drugs in the 70' and 80's Hardcore LSD,;)] mushrooms Best pot. etc etc. I'm still hereQuoteQuoteQuoteYou mean to tell me that, someone swacked-out on crack is less a danger than a drunk? Have you ever seen anyone on meth? Heroin? I don't know where you get your information but it sure differs from what I've 'seen' and read.
Yes, that is what I am saying. I've known and seen addiction from all kinds of drugs.
I would bet a dollar against a donut that I have been witness to far more drug use than you have, judging by your posts. I have also read quite a few scientific studies on the subject, although I admittedly avoid the propaganda, except to see ludicrous examples of how dangerous drugs are.
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I've seen enough of it to where I just don't care to be around anyone using that shit. I 'survived' the 60's and lost a good friend to acid. I've seen some good folks totally screw-up their lives from booze and dope. How much do I have to 'see' to start thinking that there is good in any of it?
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QuoteYou musta had some LAME friends. I was taking the badass drugs in the 70' and 80's Hardcore LSD,;)] mushrooms Best pot. etc etc. I'm still hereQuoteQuoteQuoteYou mean to tell me that, someone swacked-out on crack is less a danger than a drunk? Have you ever seen anyone on meth? Heroin? I don't know where you get your information but it sure differs from what I've 'seen' and read.
Yes, that is what I am saying. I've known and seen addiction from all kinds of drugs.
I would bet a dollar against a donut that I have been witness to far more drug use than you have, judging by your posts. I have also read quite a few scientific studies on the subject, although I admittedly avoid the propaganda, except to see ludicrous examples of how dangerous drugs are.
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I've seen enough of it to where I just don't care to be around anyone using that shit. I 'survived' the 60's and lost a good friend to acid. I've seen some good folks totally screw-up their lives from booze and dope. How much do I have to 'see' to start thinking that there is good in any of it?
Chuck
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I guess, that shit just effects some folks different than others.
Chuck
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You musta had some LAME friends. I was taking the badass drugs in the 70' and 80's Hardcore LSD,;)] mushrooms Best pot. etc etc. I'm still hereQuoteChuck
This is supposed to be something to brag about?
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Shotgun 1
QuoteI guess, that shit just effects some folks different than others.
Yes, it does.
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maybe you're the lame one because you were told it was the best hardcore whatever drugs, and it was just aspirin, grass, Champignons de ParisQuoteYou musta had some LAME friends. I was taking the badass drugs in the 70' and 80's Hardcore LSD,;)] mushrooms Best pot. etc etc. I'm still here
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jcd11235 0
QuoteThis is supposed to be something to brag about?
I'm not sure it is so much about bragging, as sharing first hand information. One of the effects of the War On Drugs is that there is not much open discussion about the effects of illegal drugs, except among users.
There are a lot of misconceptions out there, in part because of this lack of discussion.
Some common myths:
Try crack and you will be addicted from the first hit. (In actuality, crack is no more addictive than powder cocaine [second hand info since I've never tried crack --jcd11235].)
Heroin is extremely dangerous. (Cutting agents for heroin are dangerous, and often toxic. Shooting up can be dangerous. However, in and of itself, heroin is a relatively safe substance, though highly addictive.)
Pot makes people stupid. (Coherent thought processes do not go away when under the influence of cannabis. Thought processes are perhaps changed, but not diminished. Some might argue they are even enhanced slightly.)
My point is that people who have first hand information are among the best informed when it comes to drugs. We should learn from the experiences of users, and not ridicule them for sharing that information. Legality notwithstanding, there is nothing inherently wrong with druggies.
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QuoteQuoteI guess, that shit just effects some folks different than others.
Yes, it does.
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I guess, what folks want to do in the privacy of their own home, is up to them. I've lived long enough to realize that, no good comes from dope, booze... any of it.
Chuck
Shotgun 1
QuoteLegality notwithstanding, there is nothing inherently wrong with druggies.
When you refer to someone as a "druggie," it does not sound like you are referring to a casual user, just as referring to someone as a "drunk" does not imply someone who has the occasional social drink. And, in my opinion, being a "druggie" (coke, heroin, meth, etc. addict) is not exactly a good thing. (And my opinion is not based on hearsay.)
jcd11235 0
QuoteQuoteLegality notwithstanding, there is nothing inherently wrong with druggies.
When you refer to someone as a "druggie," it does not sound like you are referring to a casual user, just as referring to someone as a "drunk" does not imply someone who has the occasional social drink. And, in my opinion, being a "druggie" (coke, heroin, meth, etc. addict) is not exactly a good thing. (And my opinion is not based on hearsay.)
You're reading too much into my use of the term druggie. All I meant is one who chooses to use drugs instead of choosing not to use drugs. I did not mean to imply how much or how often.
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billvon 2,473
>I 'survived' the 60's and lost a good friend to acid. I've seen some good
>folks totally screw-up their lives from booze and dope.
Well, to be fair, I've had a dozen friends killed skydiving, and twice that number really screw up their lives (paralyzed, permanent skeletal damage, brain damage etc.) To me, though, the risk is worth it, and the risks inherent in drug use are not.
>folks totally screw-up their lives from booze and dope.
Well, to be fair, I've had a dozen friends killed skydiving, and twice that number really screw up their lives (paralyzed, permanent skeletal damage, brain damage etc.) To me, though, the risk is worth it, and the risks inherent in drug use are not.
Shotgun 1
QuoteQuoteQuoteLegality notwithstanding, there is nothing inherently wrong with druggies.
When you refer to someone as a "druggie," it does not sound like you are referring to a casual user, just as referring to someone as a "drunk" does not imply someone who has the occasional social drink. And, in my opinion, being a "druggie" (coke, heroin, meth, etc. addict) is not exactly a good thing. (And my opinion is not based on hearsay.)
You're reading too much into my use of the term druggie. All I meant is one who chooses to use drugs instead of choosing not to use drugs. I did not mean to imply how much or how often.
Ok. Well, in that case then I guess I agree with you.
Hmm, but I consider alcohol to be a drug, so with that loose of a definition then I guess anyone who drinks alcohol would be a druggie.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI guess, that shit just effects some folks different than others.
Yes, it does.
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I guess, what folks want to do in the privacy of their own home, is up to them. I've lived long enough to realize that, no good comes from dope, booze... any of it.
Chuck
I have been clean for a year and a half now and I would agree with you....nothing good comes from it when used for amusement purposes only. You wouldn't truly believe how clouded your judgment is while stoned on pot.
I was a daily user for years and when I finally started weening myself off of it, it could take 3-5 days of not using before my head cleared up and I could think straight. Most daily users will deny that their judgment is clouded, which is expected, because they really don't remember what its like to be clear headed.
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jcd11235 0
QuoteYou wouldn't truly believe how clouded your judgment is while stoned on pot.
I was a daily user for years and when I finally started weening myself off of it, it could take 3-5 days of not using before my head cleared up and I could think straight. Most daily users will deny that their judgment is clouded, which is expected, because they really don't remember what its like to be clear headed.
I have a ton of anecdotal observations contrary to your view, including personal experience of long periods of uninterrupted sobriety, as well as other people make similar changes.
However, the only objective evidence I have is that of all the papers I have written at university, the ones written under the influence of ganga almost universally received A grades, while those written while completely sober almost universally received B grades. I should point out that grading such papers is in itself a very subjective process.
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>to keep other members of the team safe. There's no time to
>say, "wow man, what are we supposed to do next."
That's exactly right. No one should be drunk or stoned when doing such things. That also has nothing to do with its legality. Alcohol is legal; surely you don't think that that makes it OK for pilots to be drunk!
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