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Since you seem to have educated yourself about the Bible, and find nothing in it that can be validated by secular history, please try to explain the continuity of a common thread that runs through the Old Testament and comes to a head in the New Testament.QuoteI have done, now refute it......... if you can
Can a conspiracy theory really be perpetuated for centuries?
After all, if Moses was a myth, then so was Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Ishmael.
Why can't all of those middle eastern types just get along?
You can't pick and choose just because something about the message pisses you off.
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I thought it was a Bush thread....nevermind. 
chadkal 0
he apple has been depicted bt man for some reason,...the bible never said apple it says "fruit from the tree of knowledge",...so it is not an apple it is a tree of knowledge fruit,...which I would guess does not exist anymore,..at least I know of nobody who has ever seen one.
Is the pope Gods rep. on earth,.....
NO,..... Christ was Gods rep. on earth,... the pope is a man just like you or I no better or worse.
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Is the pope Gods rep. on earth,.....
NO,..... Christ was Gods rep. on earth,... the pope is a man just like you or I no better or worse.
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SkyDekker 1,135
Quotewhich I would guess does not exist anymore
I would guess it never existed.
But, since you believe it did. And you believe evil started when a woman took a bite out of it, shouldn't you also believe that if we get rid of all the women in the world, we would get rid of evil? Maybe the tree of knowledge will start growing again?
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no, women are not evil
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Regardless of one's belief in the truth of the Bible, people would should remember it is literature. Literary (sp?) methods should be used. For instance when Christ declared he was the "bread of life" it is not that he is a loaf of Wonder Bread, but that he sustains life.
Satan wouldn't be a serpent or dragon in essence but in action.
steveOrino
Satan wouldn't be a serpent or dragon in essence but in action.
steveOrino
You are on to aa looser here mate, no way are you going to get rational debate from someone who has been indoctrinated by an organisation.
Babel Fish. thats all I'll say.
Babel Fish. thats all I'll say.
It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice.
jakee 1,257
Quotethe apple has been depicted by man for some reason,...the bible never said apple it says "fruit from the tree of knowledge",...so it is not an apple it is a tree of knowledge fruit,...which I would guess does not exist anymore,..at least I know of nobody who has ever seen one.
I still always do a double take when I see someone who literally believes the old testament genesis story. Seriously. I mean, general belief in god and stuff - I can understand it. I think its wrong, but I can understand it.
The literal story of creation in the OT though - come on people - its absolutely ludicrous! We know better than this now, we can trace evolution, planetary formation, star formation, we can take photos of the energy signature of the first moments of the entire frigging universe!
Are you going to throw all this knowledge away and instead follow the ramblings of some 2,500 year old tribesman that makes no more sense than Hesiod writing about Kronos chopping Ouranus' bollocks off?
What the hell are you guys smoking?
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
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QuoteFor instance when Christ declared he was the "bread of life" it is not that he is a loaf of Wonder Bread,
Oh, now thanks for wrecking the image, man. What a buzz-kill.
That's a nice way to put it.QuoteWhat the hell are you guys smoking?
Why does it bother you so much we believe the Bible?
edited to add: I know it sure does bother satan. Why would satan want people to know Christ and the power of His resurrection...when Christ has to ability to heal wounded hearts and relationships, take away shame and pride, teach people how to truly love one another so they can better other people's lives?!?!?!
Why not for a moment, entertain the thought that there *might* actually be an enemy out there that hates your guts so much, and would like nothing other than to steal and kill anything he could in your life. He laughs everytime God is mocked and rejoices when people reject Christ and the Bible.
Mother to the cutest little thing in the world...
...exactly ! Satan will try and keep all from the truth and there are so many thoughts that might seem like logic when he takes you by the hand - I HATE SATAN !!
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QuoteThat's a nice way to put it.QuoteWhat the hell are you guys smoking?
Your opinion, but Jakee has a valid point......
And I guess that answers your questionQuoteWhy does it bother you so much we believe the Bible?
Because, (actually it doesn't really bother me as much as it just make me feel sorry for you) you refuse to accept cold hard facts, years of document empirical evidence in favour of a old book, that was written years ago by authors unknown, depicted stories that cannot be proven and have no supporting evidence, and still to this day some 2000 years after the alleged life of Christ we’ve still no evidence, where is the holy grail, the ark of the covenant, Noahs ark, anything, anything at all. Let alone the fact that we also have no idea who wrote the 4 gospels that actually tell the story of Christ.
As for the gospels, well The Gospel of John is admitted by Christian scholars to be an unhistorical document. They acknowledge that it is not a life of Christ, but an interpretation of him; that it gives us an idealized and spiritualized picture of what Christ is supposed to have been, and that it is largely composed of the speculations of Greek philosophy. The Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke, which are called the "Synoptic Gospels," on the one hand, and the Gospel of John, on the other, stand at opposite extremes of thought. So complete is the difference between the teaching of the first three Gospels and that of the fourth, that every critic admits that if Jesus taught as the Synoptics relate, he could not possibly have taught as John declares. Indeed, in the first three Gospels and in the fourth, we meet with two entirely different Christs. Did I say two? It should be three; for, according to Mark, Christ was a man; according to Matthew and Luke, he was a demigod; while John insists that he was God himself.
The concept is utterly utterly absurd.
"I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world." - Dawkins
You desperately cling to this myth because the shear concept that you will die one day and that will be it for eternity is simply too incomprehensible for you cope with. Where as for me I’m quite comfortable with this fact, and therefore there is no space for religion in me.
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I guess the answer to all your questions is Faith.
Thats the foundation of all religious indoctrination.
I wonder if in 2k years time people will be having the same discussions about Ron L Hubbard, David Koresh or any of the other numerous religious cults around today.
You are not going to convince a christian that they may be wrong any more than you can convince a skydiver getting on the first load after leaving the bar at 6 am is a bad idea.
As long as they keep themselves to themselves ill tolerate them.
As an aside can anybody tell me the connection between :-
Northern Ireland, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Isreal, Lebanon, Pakistan, India, Bosnia, Croatia and Serbia.
Thats the foundation of all religious indoctrination.
I wonder if in 2k years time people will be having the same discussions about Ron L Hubbard, David Koresh or any of the other numerous religious cults around today.
You are not going to convince a christian that they may be wrong any more than you can convince a skydiver getting on the first load after leaving the bar at 6 am is a bad idea.
As long as they keep themselves to themselves ill tolerate them.
As an aside can anybody tell me the connection between :-
Northern Ireland, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Isreal, Lebanon, Pakistan, India, Bosnia, Croatia and Serbia.
It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice.
Zipp0 1
The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul, producing holy witness,
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart.
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!
--- William Shakespeare (1564?-1616?)
The Merchant of Venice (1596-1598) act 1, sc. 3, l. {99}
I'm no holy roller, but c'mon man, give us all a break.
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Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.
An evil soul, producing holy witness,
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart.
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!
--- William Shakespeare (1564?-1616?)
The Merchant of Venice (1596-1598) act 1, sc. 3, l. {99}
I'm no holy roller, but c'mon man, give us all a break.
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Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.
Jesus told us that God is Good, yet we know from Genesis that God knows Good and evil...
"And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God." (Mark 10:18)
In the creation story, God created Adam in His Own Image - but Adam was not entirely in God's Image, because Adam did not yet know good and evil as God does????
Adam and Eve knew only Good???, because for God to force knowledge of evil upon them would have made it necessary that God do evil????
Adam and Eve also had "free will", the ability to choose what they would do on the earth. For God to have made them without free will God would have made them slaves to Himself????
Being Good, then, the only way for God to teach Adam and Eve evil was to allow them to use their free will, and to decide to learn evil on their own???
God placed the tree of knowledge in the garden, He made it a beautiful tree with appealing fruit, but God commanded Adam not to eat from it.
Adam ate from it anyway,
God knew this would happen, yet He set it up so that Adam and Eve would eat from the tree even so???
Was there only one reason for God to do this???
---Because God is Good, and to complete His creations it was necessary for Adam and Eve to learn Good and evil, and learn Compassion, Mercy, and Kindness at the same time????
God follows His own Law, God takes all responsibility for everything we do, however, because He created us, and the evil we do would not happen if He had not created us????
So as God set up the garden incident, Man did not fall - rather man did the Will of God????
SMiles
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