6/6/06, the end of the world?

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My guess would be that because buddhists and hindus and most other religions don't try to get their religion taught in schools or encoded into law, there isn't really any incentive for people to feel threatened enough to try to attack the truth of those religions.

[hairyjuan 0]

"jesus is a mythical figurein the tradition of pagan mythology and almost nothing in all of ancient literature would lead no one to believe otherwise. anyone wanting to believe jesuslived and walked as a real human being must do so bacause of the evidence, NOT BECAUSE OF." C. Dennis McKinsey

[Regarding the]christian myth,THEY know it is a myth. in private discussions with theologians, they shocked me by admitting they know it is all a myth. One Jesuit told me, "Those stories are for the unthinking lay public." this chances the problem from one of ignorance to one of lies and deceit. Don Richards

we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively


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[g2gjump 0]

I agree because it is acutally 6/6/2006 not 6/6/6 which happend nearly 2000 years ago.

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THE BIBLE IS NOT A COMPLEAT WORK! <<<<


Uh, Complete?

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Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan

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THE BIBLE IS NOT A COMPLEAT WORK! <<<<


Uh, Complete?

com·pleat ( P ) Pronunciation Key (km-plt)
adj.
Of or characterized by a highly developed or wide-ranging skill or proficiency: “The compleat speechwriter... comes to anonymity from Harvard Law” (Israel Shenker).
Being an outstanding example of a kind; quintessential: “Here was the compleat modern misfit: the very air appeared to poison him; his every step looked treacherous and hard won”

[hairyjuan 0]

the second paragraph of "did jesus christ really live,(posted elsewhere in this discussion) reads, "not only has the divinity of christ been given up, but his existence as a man is being more and more seriously questioned. some of the ablest scholars deny that he ever lived at all. a commanding lierature dealing with the inquiry, intense in its seriousness and profound and thorough in its research, is growing up in all countries, and spreading the conviction that christ is a myth. THE QUESTION IS ONE OF TREMENDOUS IMPORTANCE. for the FREETHINKER, as well as for the CHRISTIAN, it is of the weighest significance. the christian religion has been and is a mighty fact in the world. for good or for ill, IT has absorbed for many centuties the best energies of mankind. IT has stayed the march of civilazation, and made martyrs of some of the noblest men and women of the race; and it is today the greatest enemy of knowledge, of freedom, of social and indusrial improvement, and of the genuine BROTHERHOOD of mankind. the progressive forces of the world are at war with this ASIATIC SUPERSTITION, and this war will continue until the triumph of TRUTH AND FREEDOM is complete. the question, "did jesus christ really live?" goes to the very root of the conflict between reason and faith, and upon its determination depends, to some degree, the decision as to whether RELIGION or humanity shall rule the world."

THE BIBLE CANNOT BE USED TO PROVE ITSELF OR ITS "DIVINE" INSPIRATION

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[hairyjuan 0]

TO you and any one else who sends a private e-mail requesting proof i will forward a copy of "Who Is This-A Critical Study of Christos-Messiah Tradition" by Alvin Boyd Kuhn. just so you i used to preach the gospel of jesus christ until i saw the light, if you will

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[pajarito 0]

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THE BIBLE CANNOT BE USED TO PROVE ITSELF OR ITS "DIVINE" INSPIRATION

The Bible isn't just one book. It's 66 different ones which validate each other.

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It is unique in its continuity
If just 10 people today were picked who were from the same place, born around the same time, spoke the same language, and made about the same amount of money, and were asked to write on just one controversial subject, they would have trouble agreeing with each other. But the Bible stands alone. It was written over a period of 1600 years by more than 40 writers from all walks of life. Some were fishermen; some were politicians. Others were generals or kings, shepherds or historians. They were from three different continents, and wrote in three different languages. They wrote on hundreds of controversial subjects yet they wrote with agreement and harmony. They wrote in dungeons, in temples, on beaches, and on hillsides, during peacetime and during war. Yet their words sound like they came from the same source. So even though 10 people today couldn’t write on one controversial subject and agree, God picked 40 different people to write the Bible – and it has stood the test of time.

It is unique in its circulation
The invention of the printing press in 1450 made it possible to print books in large quantities. The first book printed was the Bible. Since then, it has been read by more people and printed more times than any other book in history. By 1930, over one billion Bibles had been distributed by Bible societies around the world. By 1977, Bible societies alone were printing over 200 million Bibles each year, and this doesn’t include the rest of the Bible publishing companies. No one who is interested in knowing the truth can ignore such an important book.

It is unique in translation
The Bible has been translated into over 1400 languages. No other book even comes close.

It is unique in survival
In ancient times, books were copied by hand onto manuscripts that were made from parchment and would decay over time. Ancient books are available today only because someone made copies of the originals to preserve them. For example, the original writings of Julius Caesar are no longer around. We know what he wrote only by the copies we have. Only 10 copies still exist, and they were made 1000 years after he died. Only 600 copies of Homer’s The Iliad exist, made 1300 years after the originals were written. No other book has as many copies of the ancient manuscripts as the Bible. In fact, there are over 24000 copies of the New Testament manuscripts, some fro within 35 years of the writer’s death.

It is unique in withstanding attack
No other book has been so attacked throughout history as the Bible. In A.D. 300 the Roman emperor Diocletian ordered every Bible burned because he though that by destroying the Scriptures he could destroy Christianity. Anyone caught with a Bible would be executed. But just 20 years later, the Roman emperor Constantine ordered that 50 perfect copies of the Bible be made at government expense. The French philosopher Voltaire, a skeptic who destroyed the faith of many people, boasted that within 100 years of his death, the Bible would disappear from the face of the Earth. Voltaire died in 1728, but the Bible lives on. The irony of history is that 50 years after his death, the Geneva Bible Society moved into his former house and used his printing presses to print thousands of Bibles. The Bible has also survived criticism. No book has been more attacked for its accuracy. And yet archeologists are proving every year that the Bible’s detailed descriptions of historic events are correct.

"What Hollywood Believes" by Ray Comfort

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THE BIBLE CANNOT BE USED TO PROVE ITSELF OR ITS "DIVINE" INSPIRATION

The Bible isn't just one book. It's 66 different ones which validate each other.

only because the Editors arranged them to do so... and they were HARDLY objective in doing so... there were once 'books' just as valid as those you are familiar with that were completely removed and DESTROYED.. so there would be no conflicting accounts...

using the Bible as 'proof' for its own claims is just as invalid as using Mein Kamf to justify the Nazi position...

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Well, I saw a billboard on the side of the freeway this morning that said:
"6-6-06
All the signs are out there."

someone should post another bill board across from it

"Mental Health Professionals.... Help IS out there"

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My guess would be that because buddhists and hindus and most other religions don't try to get their religion taught in schools or encoded into law, there isn't really any incentive for people to feel threatened enough to try to attack the truth of those religions.

Excellent point. Nor have I ever seen a Buddhist or Hindu protesting a funeral just because the person was not living a Buddhist or Hindu lifestyle. Sometimes I feel threatened by Christians who are adamant about pushing the Christian lifestyle down my throat. I don't believe in any religion that uses fear and punishment to control its followers.

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only because the Editors arranged them to do so... and they were HARDLY objective in doing so... there were once 'books' just as valid as those you are familiar with that were completely removed and DESTROYED.. so there would be no conflicting accounts...

Someone had to discern which written works were genuine and which were either not or questionable and put the whole thing together. There's nothing suspicious about that. The criteria for inclusion into the canon is:

1. Apostolic authority
2. Age of text
3. Orthodoxy
4. Widespread acceptance

I don't know what conspiracy theory you're trying to spread but I'm assuming you're speaking of the gnostic texts. Just because it was deemed that they didn't meet the above criteria does not invalidate the ones which were included.

[hairyjuan 0]

are you so afraid ofthe truth that you wont ask for a copy of "who is this" instead of spouting the usual b.s. that does not defend you position, only proves that you are in the 90% that do not have clue about the origins of the virgin-born crucified saviour, it is the oldest scam in the history of the human race to keep ignorant sheep in line

the united states government is not founded on the christian religion, in any way---
george washington treaty of peace 1783

we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively


wishers never choose, choosers never wish

[windcatcher 0]

Hairyjuan, why do you keep on insisting Jesus isn't who the Bible says he is?
Why don't you let Christians believe what they want to believe? How does it affect you when others believe that Jesus IS the son of God, and was born of a virgin, sent here by God to be crucified, so mankind can be redeemed? ( I'm not trying to be aggressive about this, I genuinely want to know how you feel)

I am so curious as to why people who don't believe the Bible, are so adamant in trying to tell Christians they are wrong. Why is this?

And you ARE right about SOMEONE trying to scam others...I don't think it's God though. Have you ever thought about the possibility, that there may be an enemy out there who wants nothing other than to deceive you from the truth, and destroy your soul?



Once again, why aren't people out there trying to disprove Buddha's existence and teachings? There's no reason to! Buddha does not have the power to set captives free. Buddha does not have the power to allow people to spend eternity with God.

Jesus is the way, the TRUTH, and the life.

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And you ARE right about SOMEONE trying to scam others...I don't think it's God though. Have you ever thought about an enemy, who rejoices every time you renounce the Word of God as truth?
Have you ever thought about the possibility, that there may be an enemy out there who wants nothing other than to deceive you from the truth, and destroy your soul?
You ever think to yourself, that maybe there is someone who laughs at you every time you reject God's truth and who revels in the fact that despite Jesus death on the cross, he will still be able to keep people from knowing God in eternity?

isn't that Opus Dei? I am so confused

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Buddha does not have the power to set captives free. Buddha does not have the power to allow people to spend eternity with God.
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He was just a man. Sorry to let you down.

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[wmw999 2,176]

Followers of Buddha don't go around saying that people who disagree with them are going to die a horrible death that never ends. They don't actively proselytize, and go to others and tell them that they're wrong-wrong-wrong.

Neither do most other religions. For that matter, most Christians don't either. It's funny what getting in others' faces and telling them that they're fucked will do to htem.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Are we there yet?

[windcatcher 0]

Wendy, as someone who is Christian, I am curious as to what you believe about salvation, death, heaven, and hell.


Furthermore, can you please expound on what you believe about the Bible? Is it just a guideline to follow? Are the descriptions about heaven and hell true or false? Does hell exist? What for?
I'd like to hear, if you don't mind

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Are we there yet?

Fnord. The cycle is compleat.

ALL HAIL DISCORDIA!

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Ken

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I doubt you would really consider me to be a Christian.

I believe that the Bible is a divinely inspired set of books that reflect the culture, understanding, society, and mores of the times and places when those books were written. I believe that God is beyond our understanding, and beyond our ability to say "this is how it's done, and only this way." I believe that we are given this life to live as well as we can in a constructive way -- it matters, but we're not sure how. I'm a big believer in Corinthians 13:13 (Faith, Hope, Love, and of these Love is the greatest).

The more time we spend focused on the afterlife (which we can't affect), then the less time we're spending on this life (which we can).

And I'm not at all sure I believe in hell. Does a loving God do that? Why? Do you only motivate people through fear? Again, I'd hope that God is more creative than that. But saying one understands God is arrogance.

I was not raised in a Christian tradition that said that a personal relationship with Jesus was essential (who whole Paulian bolt-of-lightning thing). I've heard a number of people say that means people like me are not Christian. Such is life -- they're not in charge of that. It's between me and God.

The position of Christ has always been an interesting one to me. I accept it on faith, but it's the part that I'm the least comfortable with.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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I doubt you would really consider me to be a Christian.

I cannot judge your relationship to God, nor your salvation.

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I believe that God is beyond our understanding, and beyond our ability to say "this is how it's done, and only this way."

Agreed for the most part, though we are given specific directions and commandments as to how to live our lives.

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I believe that we are given this life to live as well as we can in a constructive way

Yep! That is how I try to live my life, one day at a time, seeking to worship God with my life.

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The more time we spend focused on the afterlife (which we can't affect), then the less time we're spending on this life (which we can).

Again, to a certain extent I agree, but I disagree about the fact that we can't affect what goes on after we die. The Bible says to "But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal; for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. ( Matthew 6:20-21).
I believe we can affect what goes on, by diligently seeking God. He says He will reward those who are faithful.

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And I'm not at all sure I believe in hell.

So what is your take on the place of 'weeping and gnashing of teeth'? Do you not believe the scriptures where it specifically mentions hell?

When the Bible talks about the kingdom of God, and certain people not able to "inherit the kingdom of God," what is that talking about?

Sarah
And thank you for answering my questions, I appreciate that.

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Agreed for the most part, though we are given specific directions and commandments as to how to live our lives.

yeah, but his name should be Master

[hairyjuan 0]

because you deny the truth, the bible has been proven false, this conversation has been in existence since the first time this myth was propounded around 300 c. E. the only difference then and now is that the church EXECUTED dissenters from its dogma . i'll still send you the proof you demanded fom me NOW

we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively


wishers never choose, choosers never wish