rasmack 0 #26 February 25, 2006 Here is the referenced study by the Canadian Veterinary Medical Association. A couple of key points: On the being skinned alive bit: QuoteOne issue of contention has been the “swimming reflex.” When killed by acute trauma to the brain, harp seals, like other animals, often undergo a period of tremors or convulsions. These consist of strong lateral movements of the caudal portion of the body, described as “swimming reflex” (hereafter referred to as “reflex movements”), which have been interpreted by some animal welfare advocates as implying persistence of conscious life. Regarding Narcimund's comparison with treatment of cows: QuoteA welfare audit of 41 beef slaughter plants in the United States in 1999 revealed that the percentages of cattle stunned with 1 shot from a captive bolt stunner were 100% at 5 (12%) plants, 99% at 10 (24%) plants, 95 to 98% at 22 (54%) plants, 90 to 94% at 2 (5%) plants, and < 90% at 2 (5%) plants. The conclusion of the article: QuoteThe conclusion is that the large majority of seals taken during this hunt (at best, 98% in work reported here) are killed in an acceptably humane manner. However, the small proportion of animals that are not killed effectively justifies continued attention to this hunt on the part of the veterinary profession. So, all in all it seems that Narcimund was making a fair comparison. As for the humaneness of seal hunting... well, it seems that humanity has taken it upon itself to regulate Nature. If we accept this for deer, I see no problem with accepting it for seals. I don't know the percentage of only wounded deer from hunting, though.HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 153 #27 February 25, 2006 Seal flippers are a Newfoundland delicacy, FLipper pie we call it and I can even get you the recipe. yummee. We argued this same arguement year after year, I am not going to re-write the same posts over and over again, you can link it here: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=1513243;page=1;mh=-1;;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC and here: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1514169#1514169 and that's the reality of the seal hunt - WE KILL ANIMALS FOR FOOD millions of them every day get used to it TK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 37 #28 February 25, 2006 I'm going to save TK the effort - here's a recipe for Flipper Pie from Joyce's Fine Cooking! http://www.joycesfinecooking.com/Ethnic/newfoundland_flipper_pie.htm Newfoundland Flipper Pie 2 seal flippers 1 small turnip, cubed 3 carrots , sliced 2 onions, sliced 1 parsnip, sliced 2 ½ cups water 1 ½ oz screech ½ fat back pork 2 tbsp vinegar DUMPLING PASTRY: 1 ½ cups flour 2 tsp baking powder small pat of butter Cut all fat and slag from flippers, place them in a deep dish and add enough boiling water to cover, add vinegar and set aside to cool, then wipe dry with a paper towel and place in baking pan or large casserole dish. Add pepper and salt to taste, cover with sliced onions and sliced fat pork, dribble the screech over the contents. Cover and cook for 2 hours in a pre heated oven , 375 degrees. Boil turnip, carrots and parsnip in 2 ½ cups of water for 20 minutes. When ready place in baking dish along with flipper. Use vegetable water for gravy... thickened with flour. Make dumpling pastry and pat over flippers and vegetables. Cover and bake gently until pastry is done (about 15 minutes). --- Come to Canada and enjoy something unique. The people of Newfoundland and Labrador need the tourist income!"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #29 February 25, 2006 QuoteAccording to a petition website: "The largest commercial slaughter of marine mammals on the planet is set to begin again in Canada next month. By the end of the hunt, more than 300,000 seals are expected to be clubbed or shot to death by fishermen who hunt seals off-season to pick up extra cash by selling their skins. Almost all of their victims will be babies -- some as young as 12 days old. During a recent hunt, veterinarians who examined dead seals concluded that 42% of the seals examined had most likely been skinned while they were alive and still conscious." A truly proud tradition. Walt Q: "What do Newfoundlanders drink during seal hunts?" A: "Canadian Club." "The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #30 February 25, 2006 QuoteSounds a lot like how cows, chickens, pigs, and fish are treated in the US ... or anywhere. I exclusivley have eaten and licked live female human beings and I refuse to stop!!! OH the HORROR! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 153 #31 February 25, 2006 you can also use a red wine base for the gravy instead of screech - had some last winter when my folks were down - flippers are kinda hard to find down here in Florida Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #32 February 25, 2006 QuoteI exclusivley have eaten and licked live female human beings and I refuse to stop!!! OH the HORROR! If anybody knows what point this person is making, could you translate for me? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpinfarmer 0 #33 February 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteI exclusivley have eaten and licked live female human beings and I refuse to stop!!! OH the HORROR! If anybody knows what point this person is making, could you translate for me? I guess you just can't stand being dumb! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,475 #34 February 25, 2006 >I guess you just can't stand being dumb! Your one warning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #35 February 25, 2006 QuoteI guess you just can't stand being dumb! I'd be happy to accept your insult if you'd just answer the question. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccurley 0 #36 February 25, 2006 You forgot the other couple ounces of screech that you drink while waiting for the pie to bake. Not directed at any poster in particular, But, same BS arguments about the seal hunt year after year after year. Usually from the same groups of special intrest people who are quite frankly Very biased in thier opinions (and yes so am I) and very good at twisting facts into BS that supports thier very stupid arguments.Watch my video Fat Women http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRWkEky8GoI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
