7 dead as woman goes postal in California

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During one meeting, Gallegos said, Sanmarco carried on a conversation with herself “like she was arguing with someone, but there was no one there.”

Maybe it's just me, but that has crazy wrote all over it.
That would have concerned me.

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“It was obvious that she could have some mental problems,” Gallegos told MSNBC.com. “It was in 2005 when we dealt with her more frequently. She would come in and just ask questions about area projects. Sometimes we weren’t sure what she was referring to. A lot of times she would storm in, blurt out something and walk out.”

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In June, police in nearby Grants, N.M., talked to her after someone at a gas station called to complain of nudity, police Chief Marty Vigil said. Sanmarco was dressed when officers arrived.

Seriously, when does anyone complain about a woman being naked in a gas station? Not around here. She may have been acting a little odd, beyond the obvious.

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Sanmarco was escorted out of the building by management and never returned, Tabala said. “She seemed to be having conversations and there wasn’t anyone around her. She’d be just jabbering away.” he said.

A lot of states do not allow people with a history of mental illness to purchase firearms.

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many postal employees were required to carry guns on the job, including airline pilots flying bags of mail. This crap never seemed to happen then.

I "believe" it was Louis L'Amour who said, "When everyone wore guns on their hips, folks were a whole lot more polite to each other."

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

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In Calif, it is not stylish to have one, unless you're a career criminal and/or a musician. They should make murder illegal there. That would stop this nonsense.

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{You'll notice, NO ONE HAS EVER SHOT UP A GUN SHOW IN THE SAME MANNER}

Hi Peacefull Jeffrey,

Actually there was a guy who did try to rob a gun store which was at the time hosting an NRA convention. He was posthumously given a Darwin Award. You can confirm this at their website.

Your point however is perfectly valid. If these bozo'z knew that their intended targets would shoot back they would likely have better control of their anger or go seek another unarmed group.

Cheers,

Richards

The gun shop in my previous home town (Glenwood, IL) was shot up some 5 or 6 years ago, and the owners killed. There are actually many many cases of gun shops being robbed at gunpoint.

WTF is wrong with you? I said GUN SHOW!

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-Jeffrey
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What about Pubs
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100% YES, emphatically.

Nice.. Alcohol & Guns what a fine mix

I go to bars plenty of times and never imbibe in alcohol.

Is there something about pubs that you have in England where they FORCE everyone who enters to drink and get drunk?

Can't I just go in for a coke and a shepherd's pie?

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-Jeffrey
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Nope, as soon as she was required to deal with her mental health services, she was no longer part of the law abiding citizens status.

Okay, so now anyone with mental issues (Depression, Asperger Sindrome, etc) is not a law abiding citizen... So what will come next, blacks, inmigrants...

People who have mental illness are prohibited by law from owning firearms.


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People who have mental illness are prohibited by law from owning firearms.

Erm....

Well....

So, see, that's not exactly true. I believe you have to have a record of being mentally ill, and having been locked up for same, before you're prohibited from purchasing. In CA, for example, if you've been 5150'd into a mental health facility, then you're prohibited from purchasing a firearm for a period of time (I think it's 5 yers...not too sure).

So, well, if someone hasn't been locked up, they can still purchase firearms. And like I said, I think there's a time limit on how long you're prevented.

this whole situation was screwed from the beginning.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

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why do these things always happen in american post offices ...... a full & proper "Postal"!

because the mail just keeps coming. it NEVER STOPS {twitch}. it just goes and goes and goes and never stops {twitch}, it's relentless, no end in sight {twitch blink} why won't it just stop for ONE SECOND, AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

We -tried- to help you with converting the regular personal mail (what used to be about 50% of the mail bulk) into e-mail and PM's! Even 'Chat Rooms'! Didn't that make a dent in the dizzying amount of paper going through your stations!!

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People who have mental illness are prohibited by law from owning firearms.

Erm....

Well....

So, see, that's not exactly true. I believe you have to have a record of being mentally ill, and having been locked up for same, before you're prohibited from purchasing.

You'd have to be "adjudicated mentally incompetent" to own a firearm.

What, would you like it if all it took to take away your constitutional rights was the SAY-SO of someone who claims you're a nut?

Do you want loss of rights to be EASY for the government to accomplish?

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That wasn't the topic under discussion.

My point is that taking a gun into certain locations is inappropriate....... discuss....

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I go to bars plenty of times and never imbibe in alcohol.

Is there something about pubs that you have in England where they FORCE everyone who enters to drink and get drunk?

Can't I just go in for a coke and a shepherd's pie?

Sure, on a Sunday lunchtime a lot of punters might be in for the food, but on a Friday night at 22:00 its going to be mostly drunk people.

You may not agree with it - it not being culturally what you're used to - but that's the way people in the UK like it.

Guns in pubs in the UK would be a total disaster.

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many postal employees were required to carry guns on the job, including airline pilots flying bags of mail. This crap never seemed to happen then.

I "believe" it was Louis L'Amour who said, "When everyone wore guns on their hips, folks were a whole lot more polite to each other."

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You make a very good point. Maybe, if there was more 'politeness', folks might get farther. I was told as a kid; 'Yelling, doesn't make it better understood!'


Chuck

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{You'll notice, NO ONE HAS EVER SHOT UP A GUN SHOW IN THE SAME MANNER}

Hi Peacefull Jeffrey,

Actually there was a guy who did try to rob a gun store which was at the time hosting an NRA convention. He was posthumously given a Darwin Award. You can confirm this at their website.

Your point however is perfectly valid. If these bozo'z knew that their intended targets would shoot back they would likely have better control of their anger or go seek another unarmed group.

Cheers,

Richards

The gun shop in my previous home town (Glenwood, IL) was shot up some 5 or 6 years ago, and the owners killed. There are actually many many cases of gun shops being robbed at gunpoint.

WTF is wrong with you? I said GUN SHOW!

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A post office is not a show. WTF is wrong with YOU?

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That wasn't the topic under discussion

Wasn't it you who made the comment against guns in bars with a sarcastic guns and alcohol comment? You opened this one up yourself. Many people go to a bar and don't drink. You don't get drunk merely by just being in a bar and on top of that most, if not all, CCW laws prohibit being drunk. If you are going to drink while carrying then you are already going to breaking the law so they may be carrying anyway- permited or not. It does not make a much since to forbid those who are legal to carry otherwise, just because they are in a place that serves alcohol. Some states allow it while others don't because it's what it took to swing a few liberal votes to get CCW legal.

I have seen cops enter a bar with a sidearm? Hell did not break out. And please don't give me the line about how well ALL Cops are trained with firearms.

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

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You'd have to be "adjudicated mentally incompetent" to own a firearm.

What, would you like it if all it took to take away your constitutional rights was the SAY-SO of someone who claims you're a nut?

Do you want loss of rights to be EASY for the government to accomplish?

Peej, you really need to re-read what I said. At no point do I advocate the government taking away someone's rights.

What I do say is that in my state, which is where this happened, there are certain things which will prevent you from owning a firearm. Being put into a mental facility is one of them, no legal/courtroom adjudication required. It's a medical decision made by Drs about a person's mental health to put someone into a facility, and one of the ramifications is lack of ability to purchase a firearm. That's what it is in my state.

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Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

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It seems that you and the professor lost sight of the context of what this thread is about, a deranged woman in a illegal possesion of a firearm.


In most US states, a backgroung investigation when purchasing a firearm will bring up any issues you may have had with police, courts and mental health facilites.

IE: lets say you have a firearm, and a clean record etc, but you were a postal worker, as this woman was that went berzerk and removed by force, and fired from your work. (two things happened, this woman was evaluated as a mental ill person, and had her rendevouz with the PD.

If you did own or have a Concealed weapon permit/firearm you will be required to surrender all of your permits, firearms and ammo, as it will be treated as a federal felony the possession of any , ammo and firearms.

But then again, you never miss the opportunity of bashing the US, as usual. Hence I'm not surprised.


What I am surprised is the fact that since you speak of racism, why don't you please enlighten us how come Spanish citizens (naturalized), are treated as second class citizens and discriminated against when seeking a good job oportunity?.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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It seems that you and the professor lost sight of the context of what this thread is about, a deranged woman in a illegal possesion of a firearm.


In most US states, a backgroung investigation when purchasing a firearm will bring up any issues you may have had with police, courts and mental health facilites.

IE: lets say you have a firearm, and a clean record etc, but you were a postal worker, as this woman was that went berzerk and removed by force, and fired from your work. (two things happened, this woman was evaluated as a mental ill person, and had her rendevouz with the PD.

If you did own or have a Concealed weapon permit/firearm you will be required to surrender all of your permits, firearms and ammo, as it will be treated as a federal felony the possession of any , ammo and firearms.

But then again, you never miss the opportunity of bashing the US, as usual. Hence I'm not surprised.


What I am surprised is the fact that since you speak of racism, why don't you please enlighten us how come Spanish citizens (naturalized), are treated as second class citizens and discriminated against when seeking a good job oportunity?.

I'm not trying to bait anyone (not even you), I am seriously trying to figure out where the US Constitution, as amended, denies any rights to the mentally ill.

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Awww, brave JuaneskyRobinHood for the poor (Americans), pls answer my fllw questions:

1 - Where did the Spanish torero Botellines dare to bash the US? That little devil, that?

2 - Where do Spanish citizens face mentioned problems: In Venezuela, Puerto Rico or - help Got, no! - Spain? Did you personally have some hard times on that? That might explain a bit.

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Awww, brave JuaneskyRobinHood for the poor (Americans), pls answer my fllw questions:

1 - Where did the Spanish torero Botellines dare to bash the US? That little devil, that?

Torero? I think it is more like running in front of the bulls, during pamplona festivals..

Maybe you missed it, but is understandable since you have expressed in many occassion that you need help understanding the context, or american expressions. (Making immigrants illegal, also people with depression and a few more on his post).

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2 - Where do Spanish citizens face mentioned problems: In Venezuela, Puerto Rico or - help Got, no! - Spain? Did you personally have some hard times on that? That might explain a bit.

Gee, is that hard to understand that Spanish citizens, will be treated as second citizens in Spain?
is that hard to make a connection there?

I based my theory, on what I have seen from 10 of my professional friends that moved there, and a couple of relatives, seeking to move out of Venezuela due to the issues it is facing now.

One of them, interestingly enough is a commercial pilot, with enough credentials, and experience, at an international level, and yet he does upholstery, in his current job.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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wish I could help you Kallend...

this is slightly helpful though, for easy comparison of state laws: http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1998/schools/gun.control/

this, though, is far more useful when trying to answer your question (notice i say trying): http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/StateLaws.aspx?ST=CA

your attn to the Possession section:It is unlawful for anyone convicted of a felony, or who is a drug addict, present or former mental patient, ever committed for mental observation, or acquitted by reason of insanity to own or possess any firearm. People with certain misdemeanor convictions involving force or violence may not possess or own any firearm within 10 years of the conviction. A person who has been adjudicated as a juvenile offender or delinquent for any offense which would be classified as a felony or misdemeanor involving force or violence if committed by an adult may not own or possess any firearm until age 30. A minor may not possess a handgun except with written permission or under the supervision of a parent or guardian.

so although it's not really answering the question directly (this is CA state, not the US Constitution) it certainly goes to show that, yes, indeed we are 'actively' denying/limiting the rights of the mentally ill.

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I don't think he grasps the concept of certain disabilities will restrain you from having certain permits, IE: a blind person with a DL for example.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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I'll let the man respond. That wasn't what I got from his posts...but i do like the blind/DL example.

Does whisky count as beer? - Homer
There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner
Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell

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I don't think he grasps the concept of certain disabilities will restrain you from having certain permits, IE: a blind person with a DL for example.

Who's talking permits? Talking fundamental rights guaranteed by the Constitution.

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The gun shop in my previous home town (Glenwood, IL) was shot up some 5 or 6 years ago, and the owners killed. There are actually many many cases of gun shops being robbed at gunpoint.

WTF is wrong with you? I said GUN SHOW!

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The gun shop in my previous home town (Glenwood, IL) was shot up some 5 or 6 years ago, and the owners killed. There are actually many many cases of gun shops being robbed at gunpoint.

WTF is wrong with you? I said GUN SHOW!

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A post office is not a show. WTF is wrong with YOU?