akarunway 1 #1 April 17, 2005 ABOUT HALLIBURTON Cheney/Halliburton Chronology Published by CitizenWorks.org and HalliburtonWatch.org "The good Lord didn't see fit to put oil and gas only where there are democratic regimes friendly to the United States" - Richard Cheney1 1992 Halliburton subsidiary Brown & Root is paid $9 million by the Pentagon (under Cheney's direction as Secretary of Defense) to produce a classified report detailing how private companies (like itself) could provide logistical support for American troops in potential war zones around the world. Shortly after this report, the Pentagon awards Brown & Root a five-year contract to provide logistics for the U.S. Army Corp of Engineers. The General Accounting Office estimates that through this contract, Brown & Root makes overall $2.2 billion in revenue in the Balkans.2 1995 Without any previous business experience, Cheney leaves the Department of Defense to become the CEO of Halliburton Co., one of the biggest oil-services companies in the world. He will be chairman of the company from 1996 to October 1998 and from February to August 2000. Under Cheney's leadership, Halliburton moves up from 73rd to 18th on the Pentagon's list of top contractors. The company garners $2.3 billion in U.S. government contracts, which almost doubles the $1.2 billion it earned from the government previously. Most of the contracts are granted by the U.S. Army Corp of Engineers.3 Halliburton's overseas operations go from 51% to 68% of its revenue. According to the Center for Public Integrity,4 under Cheney's leadership the company also receives $1.5 billion worth of assistance from government-sponsored agencies such as OPIC (Overseas Private Investment Corporation) and the Export-Import Bank, a huge increase compared to the $100 million that the company had received in federal loans and guarantees in the five years prior to Cheney's arrival. Years later, during the 2000 campaign in a broadcasted vice presidential candidates' debate with Joe Lieberman, Cheney asserts that "the government has absolutely nothing to do" with his financial success as chairman of Halliburton Co.5 Halliburton pleads guilty to criminal charges of violating a U.S. ban on exports to Libya by selling Col. Qaddafi six pulse neutron generators, devices that can be used to detonate nuclear weapons.6 Halliburton pays a $3.8 million penalty to settle alleged violations of the U.S. trade ban.7 1996 Halliburton subsidiary European Marine Contractors (EMC) helps lay the offshore portion of the Yadana natural gas pipeline in Burma. Several human rights organizations allege tremendous human rights abuses are associated with the project, as thousands of villagers in Burma are forced to work in support of the pipeline and related infrastructure. Many lose their homes due to forced relocation, and there are reports of rape, torture and killings by soldiers hired by the companies as security guards for the pipelines.8 1997 Cheney contributes to the creation of an influential right-wing policy group called the Project for the New American Century (PNAC). The group advocates for the removal of Saddam Hussein's Iraqi regime as early as January 1998, and is later revealed to be the intellectual center of the drive to war in Iraq.9 March: The Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC), a U.S. government agency, helps Halliburton by providing "political risk insurance" worth up to $200 million for the development of natural gas in Bangladesh.10 Halliburton subsidiary Brown & Root (now Kellogg, Brown & Root, KBR) launches a major Caspian project for the Azerbaijan International Operating Company, despite congressional sanctions against aid to Azerbaijan for human rights violations.11 Indonesia Corruption Watch names Kellogg Brown & Root (Halliburton's engineering division) as one of 59 companies using collusive, corrupt and nepotistic practices in business deals involving former president Suharto's family.12 Even with the Iran-Libya Sanctions Act in place, Halliburton continues to operate in Iran. It pays the Department of Commerce $15,000 to settle allegations that the company has broken anti-boycott provisions of the U.S. Export Administration Act for an Iran-related transaction, without admitting wrongdoing.13 Halliburton also continues to do business in Libya throughout Cheney's tenure. The GAO (General Accounting Office), the auditing arm of Congress, reports that KBR overbilled the Army for costs associated with its work in Kosovo. It is revealed that the firm used more workers and equipment than necessary to clean offices and provide electricity and backup power supplies to bases, and charged nearly $86 per sheet for plywood that it bought for $14.06.14 As a result of the GAO's critical report, KBR's logistics contract was not renewed by the military, though the company was re-hired in 1999. Cheney appears in an Arthur Andersen promotional video praising the firm's accounting practices, saying: "I get good advice, if you will, from their people [Arthur Andersen], based upon how we are doing business and how we are operating, over and above the normal, by-the-books auditing arrangement".15 KBR is later investigated by the SEC for accounting fraud - in a case similar to the charges leveled against Anderson's other client, Enron. 1998 Cheney oversees Halliburton's merger with Dresser Industries, one of the companies that helped Saddam Hussein rebuild Iraq's oil infrastructure after the First Gulf War, despite economic sanctions against Iraq. Dresser also had faced major liability issues concerning asbestos which prove to be onerous for the company's financial health.16 Halliburton uses two foreign subsidiaries to do $23 million worth of business with Iraq.17 1999 Halliburton's KBR division is re-hired by the military, after being fired in 1997, for a $180 million a year contract to supply U.S. forces in the Balkans with logistical support. The company is also working on major contracts to build oil infrastructure in Brazil and Nigeria for companies like Chevron, Petrobras and Shell. It has a $200 million contract with Chevron and its partners in the enclave of Cabina (Angola), where the company services over 330 wells in 30 fields, which provide eight percent of U.S. oil imports; the concession is the source of 80 percent of the Angolan government's revenue.18 2000 August: Cheney leaves his position as Halliburton's CEO to run as Bush's Vice President. Halliburton announces that it is giving Cheney a retirement package worth more than $33.7 million.19 Under public pressure, Cheney sells company stock worth $30 million. October 5: In a broadcast debate with Joe Lieberman, Cheney asserts that "the government has absolutely nothing to do" with his financial success as chairman of Halliburton Co.20 Halliburton is by now the world's largest diversified energy services, engineering, construction and maintenance company, with some $15 billion in revenues annually, 100,000 employees, and 7,000 customers in over 120 countries.21 2001 KBR wins a $300-million exclusive contract to supply logistics to the Navy, providing services like cooking, construction, power generation and fuel transportation.22 One of Cheney's largest projects as Vice President is to coordinate the development of a new National Energy Policy (NEPDG). According to the former climate policy adviser in the Environmental Protection Agency, who was present at the task force's sessions, Cheney "continually pushed plans to increase […] oil supplies while paying little heed to promoting energy efficiency and clean energy sources".23 Casting as an inevitability that by 2020, the United States will need to import two-thirds of its oil, mainly from the Arabic peninsula, the NEPDG recommends "that the President make energy security a priority of our trade and foreign policy".24 April: After having unsuccessfully requested information on recent secret meetings between the Cheney-led National Energy Policy Development Group (NEPDG) and executives of several energy industry companies, Representatives John Dingell and Henry Waxman ask the GAO (General Accounting Office) to request information about those meetings. July: GAO Comptroller General Walker requests records from Dick Cheney providing the names of the attendees for each of the meetings.25 November: Kellogg, Brown & Root is paid $2 million to reinforce the United States embassy in Tashkent, Uzbekistan, under contract with the State Department.26 December: Kellogg, Brown & Root secures a 10-year deal with the Pentagon with no cost ceiling to provide support services to the Army.27 The contract is known as the Logistics Civil Augmentation Program (LOGCAP). This contract is a "cost-plus-award-fee, indefinite delivery/indefinite-quantity service," which means that the federal government has an open-ended mandate and budget to send Kellogg, Brown and Root anywhere in the world to run humanitarian or military operations for profit.28 2002 February: Kellogg, Brown & Root pays out $2 million to settle a lawsuit with the Justice Department, which alleged that the company defrauded the government in the mid- 1990s by overbilling expenses.29 KBR was accused of inflating contract prices for maintenance and repairs at Fort Ord, California, a now-terminated military installation. The lawsuit, filed in Sacramento, alleged KBR submitted false claims and made false statements in connection with 224 delivery orders between April 1994 and September 1998. The false statements were allegedly made during Cheney's term as CEO. February 27: The New York Times reveals the identity of some of the top executives from the oil and gas industry that met with Cheney on Feb. 8, 2001.30 One of them is Robert J. Allison Jr., the Chairman of Anadarko Petroleum, with which Halliburton has been doing business since 1959. The Times also reports that Cheney's wife Lynne had been a director and significant stockholder of Union Pacific Resources, an energy company that had merged with Anadarko in 2000, and that she received Anadarko stock worth $250,000 to $500,000 from the merger. March: The press identifies the names of 22 oil and gas companies whose officials met in secret with the NEPDG.31 Nineteen of these were among the top 25 energy industry financial contributors to the Republican Party. Among the nineteen were Enron, ExxonMobil, BP Amoco, Anadarko Petroleum, Shell Oil, and Chevron.32 David M. Walker, the comptroller general of the GAO, as well as Judicial Watch, launch lawsuits against Cheney because he refuses to turn over to Congress documents that reveal the identities of industry executives involved in the National Energy Strategy.33 The GAO's lawsuit will be abandoned in February 2003, after Republican threats to cut the GAO's $440 million budget.34 But Judicial Watch's legal efforts continue. (see below) May 22: A New York Times article alleges that Halliburton artificially inflated its stock price between June 1999 and May 2002 and counted cost overruns on construction projects as additional revenue.35 Following these allegations, the SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission) launches an investigation into Halliburton's accounting practices.36 The company's then-accountant was Arthur Andersen.37 Despite the ongoing investigation and previous revelations about cost overruns, Halliburton continues to receive government contracts worth billions. June: Brown and Root is awarded a $22 million deal to run support services at a military camp in Uzbekistan, a country whose leader, Islam Karimov, is a ruthless dictator accused of human rights violations and boiling his political opponents alive. This is the first LOGCAP contract in the "war on terrorism".38 June: Halliburton informs workers its pensions will be reduced in value in order to pay for mergers and acquisitions. July 15: Newsweek publishes the article, "Halliburton CEO Says Cheney Knew About Firm's Accounting Practices" revealing that Cheney was aware that the firm was counting projected cost overrun payments as revenues.39 July 29: A New York Times article quotes Cheney about corporate fraud: "The American people can be certain that the government will fully investigate and prosecute any wrongdoers". Cheney says the reform measure will "protect investors, bring more accountability to corporations and toughen controls of the accounting industry".40 July/August: It is revealed that while Vice President Cheney was Halliburton's CEO, the number of its subsidiary companies in offshore tax havens increased from 9 (in 1995) to 44 (in 1999). One of these subsidiaries (Halliburton Products and Services Ltd.), incorporated in the Caiman Islands, is used since 2000 to get around sanctions on doing business in Iran.41 At the same time, Halliburton's federal taxes dropped dramatically from $302 million in 1998 to an $85 million rebate in 1999.42 Despite these revelations, the company continues to be awarded massive government contracts, including a new 10-year deal with the Army with no lid on potential costs. In the year 2002 alone, Brown & Root received $1.3 billion for services to the U.S. government.43 These services include a $115 million contract to design and construct an embassy compound in Afghanistan; $37.3 million to build 816 detention cells at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba; and $2 million to reinforce the U.S. embassy in Uzbekistan.44 As the press and Democratic Party leaders increasingly focus on Cheney's role in alleged accounting violations at Halliburton,45 the Bush administration turns the nation's attention to Iraq. August 26: Cheney delivers a speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars in Nashville, warning that "seated atop of ten percent of the world's oil reserves, Saddam Hussein could then be expected to seek domination of the entire Middle East, take control of a great portion of the world's energy supplies, […] and subject the United States to nuclear blackmail."46 October: A Washington Post article describes Cheney as the "fulcrum of foreign policy", and that his influence for a pro-war policy comes to the fore on the eve of a possible conflict with Iraq.47 Cheney's wife Lynne is a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, a "right-wing think tank exercising significant influence in Washington circles"48 which is one of the leading architects of the Bush administration's foreign policy and one of the leading voices pushing the Bush administration's plan for "regime change" through war in Iraq.49 The AEI has received funding from the Bechtel Foundation and ExxonMobil.50 November: Brown & Root begins a one-year contract, estimated at $42.5 million, to cover services for troops at bases in Bagram and Kandahar, Afghanistan.51 2003 January: The Wall Street Journal reports that Halliburton officials met informally with representatives of Vice President Cheney's office back in October to figure out how best to jumpstart Iraq's oil industry following a war.52 Cheney and Halliburton deny it. March: Congressman Henry Waxman launches an inquiry into the fact that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has secretly awarded a no-bid contract to KBR to extinguish oil well fires in Iraq. The contract has a huge cost ceiling of $7 billion, with additional fees of up to seven percent ($490 million). The mission and the contract have been "awarded without any competition or even notice to Congress, [… and] were entered into on March 8, but not disclosed publicly until March 24".53 This contract is open-ended. It is also a "cost-plus" contract, i.e. the company is guaranteed to recover costs plus an additional percentage of those costs as its profit. It is later revealed that the contract not only includes fighting fires, but also operating the oil fields. The administration replies to Waxman's questions on the lack of competition: "To invite other contractors to compete to perform a highly classified requirement […] would have been a wasteful duplication of effort. […] Only Kellogg Brown & Root Services […] could commence implementing the plan on extremely short notice" and "No other contractor could satisfy mission requirements in the time available".54 However, CBS reports that other qualified companies had attempted to bid on the contracts, but were shut out of the process. Bob Grace, president of GSM Consulting, after having contacted the Pentagon to inquire about the contracts, received a letter from the Department of Defense dated December 30, 2002 saying that it was "too early to speculate what might happen in the event that war breaks out in the region".55 This was "more than a month after the Army Corps of Engineers began talking to Halliburton about putting out oil well fires in Iraq",56 and in fact one month after the Secretary of Defense had granted such a contract to Halliburton.57 Furthermore, KBR did not actually put the fires out itself, but subcontracted the job to other companies: Boots & Coots International Well Control Inc., and Wild Well Control Inc.58 Thousands of employees of Halliburton are working alongside U.S. troops in Kuwait and Turkey under a package deal worth close to a billion dollars. KBR is also supporting operations in Afghanistan, Djibouti, Georgia, Jordan and Uzbekistan. The overall anticipated cost of task orders awarded since the contract award in December 2001 (LOGCAP) is approximately $830 million.59 May 8: Halliburton admits having paid 2.4 millions of dollars in bribes to a Nigerian official in return for tax breaks.60 May 30: Twenty shareholder class-action lawsuits accusing Halliburton of using deceptive accounting practices while Dick Cheney led the company is settled for 6 million dollars. Halliburton doesn't admit to any wrongdoing.61 July 8: Following Judicial Watch's attempt to force the White House to disclose the names of nongovernmental officials who were consulted by the task force in 2001, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit affirms a lower court judge's order and thereby rejects Cheney's bid to keep all the workings of the Energy Task Force secret.62 Sept. 14, 2003: On NBC's Meet the Press, Cheney said, "And since I left Halliburton to become George Bush's vice president, I've severed all my ties with the company [Halliburton], gotten rid of all my financial interest. I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind and haven't had, now, for over three years." But the vice president conveniently forgot to mention that he continues to receive from the company deferred salary of over $150,000 per year while maintaining 433,333 shares of unexercised stock options. December 2003: The Defense Contract Audit Agency (DCAA) confirmed in a preliminary audit that Halliburton and a Kuwaiti firm, Altamnia, had overcharged the U.S. government by at least $61 million through Sept. 2003 for the cost of gasoline imported into Iraq. Halliburton's KBR unit had been charging $2.64 per gallon to transport gasoline into Iraq while its competitors were transporting gasoline for less than half that price. The DCCA formerly asked the Pentagon's inspector general to investigate the overcharges and said the fuel importation contract was given to Altanmia "under unusual circumstances." 2004 January: Halliburton reportedly wants to drill on Mars at U.S. taxpayers' expense. January 16, 2004: House Democrat Henry Waxman (D-CA) discloses serious irregularities regarding Halliburton Co.'s contract to transport oil into Iraq. January 17, 2004: The Army awards Halliburton subsidiary KBR a contract worth up to $1.2 billion to rebuild the oil industry in southern Iraq. The Army previously had awarded a no-bid contract to KBR in March 2003 for the purpose of rebuilding Iraq's oil infrastructure in both the north and south of the country. But, under charges of cronyism and favoritism leveled at Halliburton, the Army subsequently opened the contract for competitive bidding in the Fall of 2003. The Army split the contract into one for northern Iraq and one for southern Iraq. The northern Iraq contract, worth up to $800 million, was given to a joint venture of California-based Parsons Corp. and the Australian firm Worley Group Ltd. January 23, 2004: In Paris, a French judge warns that Cheney could be charged over allegations that Halliburton paid $180 million in bribes to build a Nigerian gas plant. January 24, 2004: Halliburton admits two of its employees accepted a $6 million bribe in exchange for awarding Army subcontracts to a Kuwaiti-based company involved in rebuilding Iraq. Halliburton fired the employees. January 25, 2004: CBS Television's 60 Minutes program shows how Halliburton does business with Iran even though U.S. law bans companies from doing business with the country. January 26, 2004: New York City's controller accuses Halliburton of taking blood money from state sponsors of terrorism, such as Iran and Libya. Controller William Thompson - who oversees an $80 billion pension fund for city workers - says cops and firefighters are outraged that their retirement portfolios include stock in U.S. firms getting fat off contracts with rogue nations like Iran, which funds the terror groups Hezbollah and Hamas and is suspected of giving sanctuary to Al Qaeda leaders. January 30, 2004: New York Times columnist, Bob Herbert, details how Halliburton evades U.S. taxes and export bans by establishing foreign subsidiaries. Halliburton’s Wendy Hall admits the company paid only $15 million in taxes in 2002 even though the company earned $339 million in profits from continuing operations and $12.5 billion in total revenue. January 2004: Halliburton discloses that a subsidiary paid a $2.4 million bribe to a Nigerian government official's business in exchange for favorable tax treatment. January 2004: Halliburton admits in an internal memo that its cost controls for government contracts are "antiquated" and "weak" and its procurement "disorganized" and marked by "weak internal controls." The memo, which was leaked to the Wall Street Journal, contradicts the company's public statements which claim it has a "rigorous system of internal controls" for contracts in Iraq. January 2004: Halliburton begins an advertising campaign to improve its tarnished image with the public. A television spot running on CNN says Halliburton supplies hot meals, laundry and telephone links for soldiers in Iraq. The ad shows a man in desert camouflage holding a phone, his lip trembling, and shouting, "It's a girl!" "Halliburton: Proud to serve our troops," an announcer says. February: The Pentagon reports that Halliburton Company would repay the government for overcharges estimated at $27.4 million for meals served to American troops at five military bases in Iraq and Kuwait last year. In one military camp in July 2003, KBR billed the government for an average 42,000 meals a day but served only 14,000 meals. Pentagon auditors found the overcharges during a routine audit of Halliburton. March: As of March 1, 2004, KBR is awarded reconstruction work in Iraq and Afghanistan worth at least $3.9 billion. Many thanks to Agnes Christeler of CitizenWorks.org for compiling most of the chronology here. Endnotes 1 "Defending Liberty in a Global Economy", speech at the CATO Institute, http://www.cato.org/speeches/spdc062398.html, June 23, 1998 2 GAO report, http://www.gao.gov/archive/2000/ns00225.pdf, September 2002 3 Pratap Chatterjee, Dick Cheney: Soldier of Fortune, www.corpwatch.org, May 2, 2002 4 Knut Royce and Nathaniel Heller, Cheney Led Halliburton to Feast at Federal Trough, Center for Public Integrity, August 2, 2000 5 see note 20 below 6 William Baue, Pay Dirt or Payola? How Halliburton Strikes it Rich, http://www.socialfunds.com, April 11, 2003 7 The Houston Chronicle, July 15, 1995 8 Earthrights International, http://www.earthrights.org/halliburton/hallintro.shtml 9 William Bunch, Invading Iraq not a new idea for Bush clique, Philadelphia Daily News, January 27, 2003 10 John Rega, Government Ties Helped Cheney and Halliburton Make Millions, in: Bloomberg News, October 6, 2000 and OPIC press release, http://www.opic.gov/pressreleases/archive/press97/press/press97/7-11.htm 11 ibid. 12 ibid. 13 Jason Leopold, Online Journal, http://www.onlinejournal.com, April 20, 2003 14 David Morris, Congress Daily, April 16, 2003 and GAO reports GAO/NSIAD-97-63 and GAONSIAD-00-225, http://www.gao.gov 15 Los Angeles Times, July 12, 2002 16 New-York Times, August 1, 2002 17 ibid. 18 Pratap Chatterjee, Dick Cheney: Soldier of Fortune, http://www.corpwatch.org, May 2, 2002 19 Robert Bryce, The Candidate from Brown and Root, in: The Texas Observer, October 6, 2000 20 Bloomberg News, October 6, 2000 21 Earthrights International, http://www.earthrights.org/halliburton/hallintro.shtml 22 Jeff Gerth, Van Natta Jr., In Tough Times a Company Finds Profits in Terror War, in: New York Times, August 13, 2002 23 Jeremy Symons, How Bush and Co. Obscure the Science, in: the Washington Post, July 13, 2003 26 Pratap Chatterjee, The War on Terrorism's Gravy Train, http://www.corpwatch.org, May 2, 2002 27 New-York Times, In Tough Times, a Company Finds Profits in War, July 13, 2002 28 Pratap Chatterjee, the War on Terrorism's Gravy Train, http://www.corpwatch.org, May 2, 2002 29 Department of Defense, Criminal Investigative Service, Press Release, February 7, 2002 30 New-York Times, Oil Executives Lobbied on Drilling, Feb. 27, 2002 31 New-York Times, Top G.O.P. Donors in Energy Industry Met Cheney Panel, March 1, 2002; Energy Firms Were Heard on Air Rules, March 2, 2002; and Oil Executives Lobbied on Drilling, Feb. 27, 2002 32 Report of the Minority Staff of the Committee on Government Reform, http://www.house.gov/reform/min, March 22, 2002 33 New-York Times, Top G.O.P. Donors in Energy Industry Met Cheney Panel, March 1, 2002 34 Peter Brand and Alexander Bolton, GOP threats halted GAO Cheney Suit, in: The Hill, http://www.thehill.com, February 19, 2003. For more information on this case, see the Natural Resources Defense Council's website, http://www.nrdc.org, and Judicial Watch (http://www.judicialwatch.org) 35 New-York Times, Under Cheney, Halliburton Altered Policy on Accounting, May 22, 2002 36 New-York Times, Cheney Promises Corporate Crackdown, July 29, 2002 37 William Baue, Pay dirt or Payola? How Halliburton Strikes it Rich, http://www.socialfunds.com, April 11, 2003 38 Pratap Chatterjee, Halliburton Makes a Killing on Iraq War, http://www.corpwatch.org, March 20, 2003 39 Newsweek, Halliburton CEO Says Cheney Knew About Firm's Accounting Practices, July 15, 2002 40 New-York Times, op.cit., July 29, 2002 41 Erwin Seba, Reuters, March 20, 2003 42 Arianna Huffington, Holding Dick Cheney 'Accountable' http://www.Alternet.org,, August 5, 2002 43 CBS News, Halliburton: All In The Family, April 27, 2003 44 Keith Ashdown, Halliburton's Road to Riches, http://www.taxpayer.net, May 8, 2003 45 Among others: Wall Street Journal July 11th, 17th and August 8th, Houston Chronicle July 10th, 12th and 29th, Washington Post July 18th, New-York Times July 20th, 29th and August 1st, San Francisco Chronicle August 4th, Boston Globe August 8th. 46 Cheney's speech, http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/08/20020826.html 47 The Washington Post, October 13, 2002 48 Media Transparency, http://www.mediatransparency.org/recipients/aei.htm 49 Wikipedia, http://www.wikipedia.org 50 Media Transparency, http://www.mediatransparency.org/recipients/aei.htm 51 Pratap Chatterjee, Halliburton Makes a Killing on Iraq War, http://www.corpwatch.org, March 20, 2003 52 Thaddeus Herrick, U.S. Wants to Work in Iraq, in: Wall Street Journal, January 16, 2003 53 Rep. Henry Waxman, letter to Lt. Gen. Robert Flowers, http://www.house.gov/reform/min/inves_admin/admin_contracts.htm, March 26, 2003 54 ibid. 55 CBS News, Halliburton: All In The Family, April 27, 2003 56 ibid. 57 On November 15, 2002 the Office of the Secretary of Defense awarded a classified Iraqi oil Field Plan work order to Halliburton, worth $1.8 million. (Work Order number T.O. 0031) 58 Los Angeles Times, After The War: Getting Iraq's Oil Pumping Again, April 22, 2003 59 Pratap Chatterjee, Halliburton Makes a Killing on Iraq War, http://www.corpwatch.org, March 20, 2003 60 Oliver Burkeman, Cheney firm paid millions in bribes to Nigerian official, in: The Guardian, May 9, 2003 61 Associated Press, May 31, 2003 62 Henri E. Cauvin, Cheney Loses ruling on Energy Panel Records, in: The Washington Post, July 9, 2003 ### Contact Us | About Us | Privacy Policyp: 202-387-8030 | info@HalliburtonWatchI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #2 April 17, 2005 If I knew nothing about government contracting, DoD operations, business, and foreign policy, this chronology might make me think badly of our Vice President. Fortunately, that's not the case. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,123 #3 April 18, 2005 It is fortunate that you don't think badly of your Vice President? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #4 April 18, 2005 Naaahh...fortunate that I know a bit about gov't contracting. You can tell the level of knowledge of these bozos by the fact they consider cost plus award fee and IDIQ (indefinite delivery indefinite quantity) contracts to be out of the ordinary. Buffoons. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,123 #5 April 18, 2005 so, it is correct to say you see absolutely nothing wrong with this Cheney - Haliburton association? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #6 April 18, 2005 Quoteso, it is correct to say you see absolutely nothing wrong with this Cheney - Haliburton association? There *IS* no association between Cheney being VP and Haliburton getting the contracts.... The VP has NOTHING to do with the approval/award of contracts.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,123 #7 April 18, 2005 QuoteThere *IS* no association between Cheney being VP and Haliburton getting the contracts.... The VP has NOTHING to do with the approval/award of contracts. Just like the Senior Vice President of operations in a large corporation has nothing to do with hiring employees. Yet a favourable word carries a lot of weight. Thinking otherwise is pretty naieve. Second, there was quite a bit going on before he became VP. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #8 April 18, 2005 QuoteQuoteThere *IS* no association between Cheney being VP and Haliburton getting the contracts.... The VP has NOTHING to do with the approval/award of contracts. Just like the Senior Vice President of operations in a large corporation has nothing to do with hiring employees. Yet a favourable word carries a lot of weight. Thinking otherwise is pretty naieve. Second, there was quite a bit going on before he became VP. Well, it's now GLARINGLY obvious that you know nothing about how government contracting works. I'd seriously recommend you do some research... Do you argue with your rigger over something you saw on the internet, too?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #9 April 18, 2005 Suuuuure the VP has a role in determining who gets what contract. Suuuuuuure he does. Say hello to the Lochness Monster and Puff the Magic Dragon for me. The Tooth Fairy too. Actually, kick the tooth fairy in the ass for me - she was always quite stingy. Left me a measly penny for my front tooth! Stingy bitch. This Halliburton nonsense is merely leftists preying upon the ignorance of the masses (typical tactic for them) to smear the VP. Nobody who knows a damned thing about gov't contracting gives them the slightest bit of credibility. Those making such accusations wouldn't know the difference between USD(AT&L) and DUSD(LM&R) or CPAF and FFP contracts, i.e. they don't know what the hell they're talking about. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #10 April 18, 2005 Your lack of knowledge of government contracts is quite amazing. The best part is that you take some junk from the internet and spout it like you know anything about it. But I can understand your desire to try and slam anything US....As always. I suggest you learn something about the system before you try to claim to understand something about it. The Vice Prez does not grant Government contracts no matter how badly you want that to be true to make him look bad, it is just not true. The Vice Prez had a job before he was Vice-Prez...OMG!!!! How dare he have a job and do well at it!!!!! Its just like how some of you think he is getting "Kick backs"...He is getting paid due to a delayed compensation program.....Quite common with jobs of that caliber. Your lack of knowledge and desire to grab on to anything that at a glance can look bad is amazing. Try looking past the hate and look into the situation rather than just spout crap you pulled off the internet."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #11 April 18, 2005 Be honest Ron. Are you really "AMAZED?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #12 April 19, 2005 hahaha! SUCKERS! And all this time we thought Iraq had WMD! America bought this crap hook, line and sinker! And do YOU really think GWB is in control or the former CEO of Hal? "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #13 April 19, 2005 In most democratic countries, such relationship (or past relationship) beetwen a big government contractor and the vice-president would raise suspicions and at the very least would be thoroughly investigated. It is not the case in the U.S, you will only be laughed at for even thinking about wrongdoing. Dick Cheney is lucky. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #14 April 19, 2005 Quote It is not the case in the U.S Quote And you know this how? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Botellines 0 #15 April 19, 2005 QuoteQuote It is not the case in the U.S Quote And you know this how? Well, you only have to look at all the threads about this subject. Right wingers will not admit the possibility of wrong doing. I think the posibility is real and it is worth to be investigated. Specially in the context of this war where no one really knows for sure what is going on there and what the goals this week are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #16 April 19, 2005 Ever think for a minute that maybe it has been investigated? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jimbo 0 #17 April 19, 2005 You'd certainly think that in this age of insanely partisan politics that the Dems would be all over this if there were truely anything to it. You would, right? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #18 April 19, 2005 Quote You'd certainly think that in this age of insanely partisan politics that the Dems would be all over this if there were truely anything to it. You would, right? - Jim Absolutely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #19 April 19, 2005 You must admit Halliburton has got some pull. Last time, WWVietnam, it was with a Democratic President. Even Bell Helicopter managed to ace out the Army's favorite scout ship: the OH6 by shoving the OH58 down our throats. Bell just happened to be from President Johnson's home state Texas. The following came off a NPR website.---------------------- [url]2003 · Current criticism over Halliburton's lucrative Iraq contracts has some historians drawing parallels to a similar controversy involving the company during Lyndon B. Johnson's administration. Nearly 40 years ago, Halliburton faced almost identical charges over its work for the U.S. government in Vietnam -- allegations of overcharging, sweetheart contracts from the White House and war profiteering. Back then, the company's close ties to President Johnson became a liability. Today -- as NPR's John Burnett reports in the last of a three-part series -- Halliburton seems to be distancing itself from its former chief executive officer, Vice President Dick Cheney. The story of Halliburton's ties to the White House dates back to the 1940s, when a Texas firm called Brown & Root constructed a massive dam project near Austin. The company's founders, Herman and George Brown, won the contract to build Mansfield Dam thanks to the efforts of Johnson, who was then a Texas congressman. After Johnson took over the Oval Office, Brown & Root won contracts for huge construction projects for the federal government. By the mid-1960s, newspaper columnists and the Republican minority in Congress began to suggest that the company's good luck was tied to its sizable contributions to Johnson's political campaign. More questions were raised when a consortium of which Brown & Root was a part won a $380 million contract to build airports, bases, hospitals and other facilities for the U.S. Navy in South Vietnam. By 1967, the General Accounting Office had faulted the "Vietnam builders" -- as they were known -- for massive accounting lapses and allowing thefts of materials. Brown & Root also became a target for anti-war protesters: they called the firm the embodiment of the "military-industrial complex" and denounced it for building detention cells to hold Viet Cong prisoners in South Vietnam. Today, Brown & Root is called Kellogg, Brown & Root -- a Halliburton subsidiary better known as KBR. Related NPR Stories Dec. 22, 2003 Part 1: Examining Halliburton's 'Sweetheart' Deal in Iraq Dec. 23, 2003 Part 2: Cheney's Role in Halliburton Contracts Debated NPR News: Beyond the War in IraqDo your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KevinMcGuire 0 #20 April 19, 2005 Heard a quote once. Lets see hows that go? Oh yea, when the guns start to shot call brown and root Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,123 #21 April 19, 2005 hi hi hi, you guys crack me up. Those blinders must get pretty uncomfortable after time. Even on horses they take them off after a little while. By the way, for those somewhat illiterate I said that the VP, or any senior officer be it in government or corporate life often does make recommendation. Those recommendation tend to carry a lot of weight. With the seniority of a VP, those recommendations can even be in place without being voiced. For those that think that senior members of government do not get involved with awarding of contracts, directly or indirectly, just take a look at the Gomery Inquiry currently ongoing in Canada. The naivete of some of you is very funny though. QuoteThose making such accusations wouldn't know the difference between USD(AT&L) and DUSD(LM&R) or CPAF and FFP contracts, i.e. they don't know what the hell they're talking about. I usually find that the guys that know all the little acronyms have no idea what the big picture looks like. Those are the guys that just see the signatures on paper, but have no idea who is pulling the strings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 7 #22 April 19, 2005 Quotehi hi hi, you guys crack me up. Those blinders must get pretty uncomfortable after time. Even on horses they take them off after a little while. Constantly searching for ways to slam the US must get really old. I mean even Moore took a break. QuoteBy the way, for those somewhat illiterate I said that the VP, or any senior officer be it in government or corporate life often does make recommendation. Those recommendation tend to carry a lot of weight. With the seniority of a VP, those recommendations can even be in place without being voiced. You wanna talk about illiterate? How about explaining this: "With the seniority of a VP, those recommendations can even be in place without being voiced. " So its his fault if HE DID NOTHING. Typical "Blame the US" crap from you. QuoteThe naivete of some of you is very funny though. You hatred and desire to slam the Us is also quite funny. Trying to make up for something you lack? QuoteI usually find that the guys that know all the little acronyms have no idea what the big picture looks like. Those are the guys that just see the signatures on paper, but have no idea who is pulling the strings. Oh, so the people who KNOW MORE THAN YOU. Don't know enough? Your hatred is quite funny and sad at the same time."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #23 April 19, 2005 What is he blaming the US for? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,123 #24 April 19, 2005 QuoteConstantly searching for ways to slam the US must get really old. I mean even Moore took a break. Not slamming the US, just those who blindly follow, in any country. QuoteHow about explaining this: "With the seniority of a VP, those recommendations can even be in place without being voiced. " So its his fault if HE DID NOTHING. Nope, never said that. Reading comprehension really isn't that difficult. I said that often pressure can be exuded without it being voiced. Sometimes that even happens without the person realizing it. Hence rules get put into place when people are too closely related. When you get high enough it gets to be a bigger problem. Once again, I mention the Gomery inquiry if you are are naieve enough to think it doesn't happen. QuoteOh, so the people who KNOW MORE THAN YOU. Don't know enough? I'll refer back to reading comprehension. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,123 #25 April 19, 2005 QuoteWhat is he blaming the US for? I was wondering the same, but it is funny when that is his only come back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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Botellines 0 #15 April 19, 2005 QuoteQuote It is not the case in the U.S Quote And you know this how? Well, you only have to look at all the threads about this subject. Right wingers will not admit the possibility of wrong doing. I think the posibility is real and it is worth to be investigated. Specially in the context of this war where no one really knows for sure what is going on there and what the goals this week are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #16 April 19, 2005 Ever think for a minute that maybe it has been investigated? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jimbo 0 #17 April 19, 2005 You'd certainly think that in this age of insanely partisan politics that the Dems would be all over this if there were truely anything to it. You would, right? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #18 April 19, 2005 Quote You'd certainly think that in this age of insanely partisan politics that the Dems would be all over this if there were truely anything to it. You would, right? - Jim Absolutely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #19 April 19, 2005 You must admit Halliburton has got some pull. Last time, WWVietnam, it was with a Democratic President. Even Bell Helicopter managed to ace out the Army's favorite scout ship: the OH6 by shoving the OH58 down our throats. Bell just happened to be from President Johnson's home state Texas. The following came off a NPR website.---------------------- [url]2003 · Current criticism over Halliburton's lucrative Iraq contracts has some historians drawing parallels to a similar controversy involving the company during Lyndon B. Johnson's administration. Nearly 40 years ago, Halliburton faced almost identical charges over its work for the U.S. government in Vietnam -- allegations of overcharging, sweetheart contracts from the White House and war profiteering. Back then, the company's close ties to President Johnson became a liability. Today -- as NPR's John Burnett reports in the last of a three-part series -- Halliburton seems to be distancing itself from its former chief executive officer, Vice President Dick Cheney. The story of Halliburton's ties to the White House dates back to the 1940s, when a Texas firm called Brown & Root constructed a massive dam project near Austin. The company's founders, Herman and George Brown, won the contract to build Mansfield Dam thanks to the efforts of Johnson, who was then a Texas congressman. After Johnson took over the Oval Office, Brown & Root won contracts for huge construction projects for the federal government. By the mid-1960s, newspaper columnists and the Republican minority in Congress began to suggest that the company's good luck was tied to its sizable contributions to Johnson's political campaign. More questions were raised when a consortium of which Brown & Root was a part won a $380 million contract to build airports, bases, hospitals and other facilities for the U.S. Navy in South Vietnam. By 1967, the General Accounting Office had faulted the "Vietnam builders" -- as they were known -- for massive accounting lapses and allowing thefts of materials. Brown & Root also became a target for anti-war protesters: they called the firm the embodiment of the "military-industrial complex" and denounced it for building detention cells to hold Viet Cong prisoners in South Vietnam. Today, Brown & Root is called Kellogg, Brown & Root -- a Halliburton subsidiary better known as KBR. Related NPR Stories Dec. 22, 2003 Part 1: Examining Halliburton's 'Sweetheart' Deal in Iraq Dec. 23, 2003 Part 2: Cheney's Role in Halliburton Contracts Debated NPR News: Beyond the War in IraqDo your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KevinMcGuire 0 #20 April 19, 2005 Heard a quote once. Lets see hows that go? Oh yea, when the guns start to shot call brown and root Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,123 #21 April 19, 2005 hi hi hi, you guys crack me up. Those blinders must get pretty uncomfortable after time. Even on horses they take them off after a little while. By the way, for those somewhat illiterate I said that the VP, or any senior officer be it in government or corporate life often does make recommendation. Those recommendation tend to carry a lot of weight. With the seniority of a VP, those recommendations can even be in place without being voiced. For those that think that senior members of government do not get involved with awarding of contracts, directly or indirectly, just take a look at the Gomery Inquiry currently ongoing in Canada. The naivete of some of you is very funny though. QuoteThose making such accusations wouldn't know the difference between USD(AT&L) and DUSD(LM&R) or CPAF and FFP contracts, i.e. they don't know what the hell they're talking about. I usually find that the guys that know all the little acronyms have no idea what the big picture looks like. Those are the guys that just see the signatures on paper, but have no idea who is pulling the strings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 7 #22 April 19, 2005 Quotehi hi hi, you guys crack me up. Those blinders must get pretty uncomfortable after time. Even on horses they take them off after a little while. Constantly searching for ways to slam the US must get really old. I mean even Moore took a break. QuoteBy the way, for those somewhat illiterate I said that the VP, or any senior officer be it in government or corporate life often does make recommendation. Those recommendation tend to carry a lot of weight. With the seniority of a VP, those recommendations can even be in place without being voiced. You wanna talk about illiterate? How about explaining this: "With the seniority of a VP, those recommendations can even be in place without being voiced. " So its his fault if HE DID NOTHING. Typical "Blame the US" crap from you. QuoteThe naivete of some of you is very funny though. You hatred and desire to slam the Us is also quite funny. Trying to make up for something you lack? QuoteI usually find that the guys that know all the little acronyms have no idea what the big picture looks like. Those are the guys that just see the signatures on paper, but have no idea who is pulling the strings. Oh, so the people who KNOW MORE THAN YOU. Don't know enough? Your hatred is quite funny and sad at the same time."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #23 April 19, 2005 What is he blaming the US for? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,123 #24 April 19, 2005 QuoteConstantly searching for ways to slam the US must get really old. I mean even Moore took a break. Not slamming the US, just those who blindly follow, in any country. QuoteHow about explaining this: "With the seniority of a VP, those recommendations can even be in place without being voiced. " So its his fault if HE DID NOTHING. Nope, never said that. Reading comprehension really isn't that difficult. I said that often pressure can be exuded without it being voiced. Sometimes that even happens without the person realizing it. Hence rules get put into place when people are too closely related. When you get high enough it gets to be a bigger problem. Once again, I mention the Gomery inquiry if you are are naieve enough to think it doesn't happen. QuoteOh, so the people who KNOW MORE THAN YOU. Don't know enough? I'll refer back to reading comprehension. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,123 #25 April 19, 2005 QuoteWhat is he blaming the US for? I was wondering the same, but it is funny when that is his only come back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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justinb138 0 #16 April 19, 2005 Ever think for a minute that maybe it has been investigated? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #17 April 19, 2005 You'd certainly think that in this age of insanely partisan politics that the Dems would be all over this if there were truely anything to it. You would, right? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #18 April 19, 2005 Quote You'd certainly think that in this age of insanely partisan politics that the Dems would be all over this if there were truely anything to it. You would, right? - Jim Absolutely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #19 April 19, 2005 You must admit Halliburton has got some pull. Last time, WWVietnam, it was with a Democratic President. Even Bell Helicopter managed to ace out the Army's favorite scout ship: the OH6 by shoving the OH58 down our throats. Bell just happened to be from President Johnson's home state Texas. The following came off a NPR website.---------------------- [url]2003 · Current criticism over Halliburton's lucrative Iraq contracts has some historians drawing parallels to a similar controversy involving the company during Lyndon B. Johnson's administration. Nearly 40 years ago, Halliburton faced almost identical charges over its work for the U.S. government in Vietnam -- allegations of overcharging, sweetheart contracts from the White House and war profiteering. Back then, the company's close ties to President Johnson became a liability. Today -- as NPR's John Burnett reports in the last of a three-part series -- Halliburton seems to be distancing itself from its former chief executive officer, Vice President Dick Cheney. The story of Halliburton's ties to the White House dates back to the 1940s, when a Texas firm called Brown & Root constructed a massive dam project near Austin. The company's founders, Herman and George Brown, won the contract to build Mansfield Dam thanks to the efforts of Johnson, who was then a Texas congressman. After Johnson took over the Oval Office, Brown & Root won contracts for huge construction projects for the federal government. By the mid-1960s, newspaper columnists and the Republican minority in Congress began to suggest that the company's good luck was tied to its sizable contributions to Johnson's political campaign. More questions were raised when a consortium of which Brown & Root was a part won a $380 million contract to build airports, bases, hospitals and other facilities for the U.S. Navy in South Vietnam. By 1967, the General Accounting Office had faulted the "Vietnam builders" -- as they were known -- for massive accounting lapses and allowing thefts of materials. Brown & Root also became a target for anti-war protesters: they called the firm the embodiment of the "military-industrial complex" and denounced it for building detention cells to hold Viet Cong prisoners in South Vietnam. Today, Brown & Root is called Kellogg, Brown & Root -- a Halliburton subsidiary better known as KBR. Related NPR Stories Dec. 22, 2003 Part 1: Examining Halliburton's 'Sweetheart' Deal in Iraq Dec. 23, 2003 Part 2: Cheney's Role in Halliburton Contracts Debated NPR News: Beyond the War in IraqDo your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinMcGuire 0 #20 April 19, 2005 Heard a quote once. Lets see hows that go? Oh yea, when the guns start to shot call brown and root Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,123 #21 April 19, 2005 hi hi hi, you guys crack me up. Those blinders must get pretty uncomfortable after time. Even on horses they take them off after a little while. By the way, for those somewhat illiterate I said that the VP, or any senior officer be it in government or corporate life often does make recommendation. Those recommendation tend to carry a lot of weight. With the seniority of a VP, those recommendations can even be in place without being voiced. For those that think that senior members of government do not get involved with awarding of contracts, directly or indirectly, just take a look at the Gomery Inquiry currently ongoing in Canada. The naivete of some of you is very funny though. QuoteThose making such accusations wouldn't know the difference between USD(AT&L) and DUSD(LM&R) or CPAF and FFP contracts, i.e. they don't know what the hell they're talking about. I usually find that the guys that know all the little acronyms have no idea what the big picture looks like. Those are the guys that just see the signatures on paper, but have no idea who is pulling the strings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #22 April 19, 2005 Quotehi hi hi, you guys crack me up. Those blinders must get pretty uncomfortable after time. Even on horses they take them off after a little while. Constantly searching for ways to slam the US must get really old. I mean even Moore took a break. QuoteBy the way, for those somewhat illiterate I said that the VP, or any senior officer be it in government or corporate life often does make recommendation. Those recommendation tend to carry a lot of weight. With the seniority of a VP, those recommendations can even be in place without being voiced. You wanna talk about illiterate? How about explaining this: "With the seniority of a VP, those recommendations can even be in place without being voiced. " So its his fault if HE DID NOTHING. Typical "Blame the US" crap from you. QuoteThe naivete of some of you is very funny though. You hatred and desire to slam the Us is also quite funny. Trying to make up for something you lack? QuoteI usually find that the guys that know all the little acronyms have no idea what the big picture looks like. Those are the guys that just see the signatures on paper, but have no idea who is pulling the strings. Oh, so the people who KNOW MORE THAN YOU. Don't know enough? Your hatred is quite funny and sad at the same time."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #23 April 19, 2005 What is he blaming the US for? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,123 #24 April 19, 2005 QuoteConstantly searching for ways to slam the US must get really old. I mean even Moore took a break. Not slamming the US, just those who blindly follow, in any country. QuoteHow about explaining this: "With the seniority of a VP, those recommendations can even be in place without being voiced. " So its his fault if HE DID NOTHING. Nope, never said that. Reading comprehension really isn't that difficult. I said that often pressure can be exuded without it being voiced. Sometimes that even happens without the person realizing it. Hence rules get put into place when people are too closely related. When you get high enough it gets to be a bigger problem. Once again, I mention the Gomery inquiry if you are are naieve enough to think it doesn't happen. QuoteOh, so the people who KNOW MORE THAN YOU. Don't know enough? I'll refer back to reading comprehension. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,123 #25 April 19, 2005 QuoteWhat is he blaming the US for? I was wondering the same, but it is funny when that is his only come back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
