Skyrad 0 #1 April 23, 2004 Is this what democracy is about? http://www.express.co.uk/story.html?story=0&r=108271619441980994When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vt1977 0 #2 April 23, 2004 Makes you want to be sick doesn't it? Vicki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #3 April 23, 2004 terror suspect thought to have "actively assisted" terrorists QuoteIs this what democracy is about? Precisely. He hasn't been convicted of anything and is out on bail under house arrest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #4 April 23, 2004 Rule of law..... In the U.K (we tend towards.... )Innocent 'till proven Guilty .... so he would currently have the status of a SUSPECT. But I realise that some countries behave differently -e.g Guantano Bay) (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #5 April 23, 2004 I think its unacceptable that he's served two years in prison without conviction. If he's guilty then fine but taking away two years of someones freedom (and not giving them a release date) without trial is not acceptable in a democracy that has at the heart of its legal system the belife that one is innocent until proven guilty.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #6 April 23, 2004 QuoteMakes you want to be sick doesn't it? Vicki What does? and Why? please <> (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #7 April 23, 2004 Oh...I agree with you. That article seemed to have the opposite slant, that it was wrong that he was released at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #8 April 27, 2004 QuoteRule of law..... In the U.K (we tend towards.... )Innocent 'till proven Guilty .... so he would currently have the status of a SUSPECT. But I realise that some countries behave differently -e.g Guantano Bay) Is that why Tony Blair is fighting to do away with any right you have against self incrimination (what we in the U.S. would call our "5th amendment right to remain silent")? Oh, and hasn't the right to a trial by jury been almost done away with over there? I don't understand why a suspect has to be released on bail just because he has not been tried and convicted yet. Would it be the first time that a criminal suspect was considered so dangerous that he was denied bail? They can do that over there like they can do it here, can't they?! --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 144 #9 April 27, 2004 The Express is a tabloid that would tend to sensationalise the news (the link now points to a different story). There were 2 cases decided by the appeals commission last week - where the home office decision to hold these 2 people was overturned. In the first case M the home office got it wrong - in the case of G - they got it right but the laws wrongly protected him it seems. Although I would imagine once somebody has been arrested for terrorism and becomes known to the authorities he is pretty effectively neutralised as he is probably monitored etc. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3651743.stmExperienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #10 April 27, 2004 Article’s disappeared. Synopsis anyone? QuoteOh, and hasn't the right to a trial by jury been almost done away with over there? I'll let you know when adressing the jury ceases to be part of my job description. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #11 April 27, 2004 It was an artcile about the release ofa man held on terror suspicions, and subsequently released due to the 'damage' it was causing him. Further stuff on this here.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3655073.stm-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #12 April 27, 2004 Thanks - from that I was able to pull the full judgment from the Court Service. The important section is here: http://www.courtservice.gov.uk/View.do?id=2362 And if anyone is really that interested the full judgment is here:http://www.courtservice.gov.uk/judgmentsfiles/j2362/g-v-ss_home_department.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #13 April 27, 2004 <Oh, and hasn't the right to a trial by jury been almost done away with over there? >> You're correct, He is trying all that ... but then he's an arse! and just because he's the PM does NOT make him right ( by a long shot!) - IMHO. Locking folk up for years and years without a trial lowers our leaders to level of Hitler and Stalin. If you've got the evidence then have the guts to use it in a court of law, otherwise let him go. If you were to imprison everyone who associated with criminals, most of our members of governement would be in the clink! - Afterall hasn't GWB been knocking around with the Bin Ladens? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
