Narcs at the DZ/Boogie!

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I bet if you put as much energy into trying to leagalize marijuna as you do posting about how it should be legalized you might actually cause the law to either be changed or at least modified(personally, I highly doubt it, but stranger things have happened)

out of the dark comes the voice of reason!

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

[billvon 2,426]

>You may not be able to smoke yourself to death but the illegal drug
> you ingest have at some point in their journey caused death and or
> oppression to someone else along the way.

I think those are two completely different arguments. One is "driving is relatively safe" the other is "your buying lots of gasoline helps support the 9/11 terrorists." Using your logic I could claim that bike riding is ten times as safe as driving - even though you're more likely to get killed on a bike than in a car.

Illegal use of marijuana is not much more dangerous than smoking cigarettes. Its other bad effects i.e. where the money goes and all the bad things that money supports is a result of it being illegal. If it was legal a tobacco company would get the same money.

>If they could I am positive that the law would of been changed by now.

It has been changed in some places, but federal law supersedes local law.

I can see the reasons MJ was made illegal, but honestly I see most of the same reasoning behind tobacco. Tobacco kills about 100,000 people a year and costs us billions in healthcare costs. Some of the people it kills don't even smoke; somewhere between 10,000 and 30,000 people who don't smoke die every year from heart disease and lung cancer caused by secondhand smoke. Many of them are children. I don't know how many people the "war on drugs" claims every year, but I'd have a hard time believing it's over 100,000.

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i mean a "buzz" is a "buzz" right? or is it just marijuana is a better "buzz?"

not to be to offensive, but this is exactly the point, you really have no idea what your talking about, you've accepted the governments word that its evil and ran with it.

an open independent search for the truth is also apart of self determination.

terribly sorry to hear that your son was shooting heroin, its a nasty drug (IMO) i know several people who abuse it and will be sad when i lose them,
everyone of them thinks i'm nuts for risking my life skydivingbut other than helping them try to quit (when/if they want to) and encouraging them to do so, it is immoral for me to violate their freedom for "their own good" to make them stop. they are not my children and are responsible for their own lives and so should be able to risk them in any manner they choose.

that is the only "justification" necessary. Its my life, my body. I am an adult. if i decide tonight that i only really need 8 fingers i can lose two and the government shouldnt interfere or even care, so long as i dont try and cut off yours too.

Btw. Since the sheep out number the free thinkers there are NONE of my representatives in power. Politics is a popularity contest, and the sheep vote in the manner they feel makes them safe. The government also conveniently provides all the answers for them, mark your X and move on, no reason to really think about any issues..

"We've taken care of everything
The words you hear the songs you sing
The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes
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Never need to wonder how or why
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Oh what a nice contented world
Let the banners be unfurled
Hold the Red Star proudly high in hand"

Democracy is tyranny by the masses

this needs repeating again
"of this I am certain, that in a democracy, the majority of citizens is capable of exercising the most cruel oppressions upon the minority. . . and that oppression of the minority will extend to far greater numbers, and will be carried on with much greater fury, than can almost ever be apprehended from the dominion of a single sceptre. In such a popular prosecution, individual sufferers are in a much more deplorable condition than in any other." Edmund Burke

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I think those are two completely different arguments. One is "driving is relatively safe" the other is "your buying lots of gasoline helps support the 9/11 terrorists." Using your logic I could claim that bike riding is ten times as safe as driving - even though you're more likely to get killed on a bike than in a car.

Then by that logic, comparing skydiving fatalities and marijuana induced fatalities holds just as much water.

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Illegal use of marijuana is not much more dangerous than smoking cigarettes.

Actually, it's more dangerous and I did think of using that as a comparrison as we all know how detrimental smoking tobacco can be for you. How could ingesting anything that needs to be burned first be good for you? It wouldn't surprise me in the least if one day tobacco becomes illegal, probably not in any of our life times, but it may come pretty close to that IMO.

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It has been changed in some places, but federal law supersedes local law.

As it should be, that's the whole idea behind having a government. Other wise what might be a minor offense coould get you the death penalty in another town, or state. that would kind of defeat the whole "United" part of the United States of America.

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I don't know how many people the "war on drugs" claims every year, but I'd have a hard time believing it's over 100,000.

If you ask any LEO on the BB or anyone involved with the war on drugs you would find that the numbers are indeed very high. Granted not all of it is related directly to the act of someone ingesting an illegal drug but the people killed in the growing/manufacturing/transportation/buying/selling aspects of it has a very large impact. That's not even taking into account the narco -terrorism portion which raises the death toll dramatically in numbers.

"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required"
Some people dream about flying, I live my dream
SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING

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not to be to offensive, but this is exactly the point, you really have no idea what your talking about

i have never said i haven't experimented with marijuana. but my experience was limited because i just didn't like it.

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you've accepted the governments word that its evil and ran with it

is this the same government that our president runs you refer to? i don't associate me running with anything evil.

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an open independent search for the truth is also apart of self determination

you've got your work cut out for you then, i'm afraid.

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terribly sorry to hear that your son was shooting heroin

like i said, you won't know the hurt, until it's your own son.

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its a nasty drug (IMO) i know several people who abuse it and will be sad when i lose them

you speak in terms of anticipation regarding losing one (some) of your friends to herion use.

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everyone of them thinks i'm nuts for risking my life skydivingbut other than helping them try to quit (when/if they want to) and encouraging them to do so, it is immoral for me to violate their freedom for "their own good" to make them stop. they are not my children and are responsible for their own lives and so should be able to risk them in any manner they choose

i beg to differ in this instance. it is immoral that you don't make an effort to help them help theirselves. and if they're your friends, how good of a friend are you if you don't help?

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Btw. Since the sheep out number the free thinkers there are NONE of my representatives in power

again, if you don't like something, change it in a positive way.

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Politics is a popularity contest, and the sheep vote in the manner they feel makes them safe

sheep, to whom are you referring? farm animals? you lost me there.

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The government also conveniently provides all the answers for them, mark your X and move on, no reason to really think about any issues..

you sound as if your speaking of a political system that is based largely on socialists views. many men have lost their lives to make the u.s.a. a free and open land, i can't believe i'm hearing you say these things, but again it's your view. i might not agree with everything you say, but i'll fight to the death your right to say it.

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

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not because of substance abuse, but because they are "knowingly and intentionally breaking the law" which goes against everything our country stands for.

Richard,

This country was forged by those who threw Britain's laws out the window (actually, they symbolically threw them into the Boston Harbor) and decided to rise up and claim this land for their own. This was done in direct defiance of the laws in effect at the time.

America was founded on the belief that a few rebels can make a difference.

This is no clear-cut black & white issue. The shades of grey involved with this, from barely off-white to almost pitch-black, are boundless.

Kris

Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and
Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™

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I can see the reasons MJ was made illegal, but honestly I see most of the same reasoning behind tobacco.

If memory serves correct... MJ was made illegal starting with the El Paso City Ordinance of 191x (sometime in 1910's). This snowballed from there, but the original logic was to stop the damned, dirty Mexican's from immigrating as they liked the dopey weed. Similarly, opium was originally made illegal to stop the damn, dirty Chinese. In 1912 a 12 year old could buy morphine or opium over the counter in a drug store. Was there a rampant opium problem with 12 years olds???

[base698 1]

Also... Heroin only came about because opium was illegal. In a situation where you outlaw a drug it makes more sense to condense it. It is 1) more profitable and 2) easier to transport. A lot of our modern drugs sprung about from similar issues.

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I blame it all on REEFER MADNESS.........
screw it, it will be legal in the near future. as we keep getting rid of the "Old" school politicians...
i think the new generation can see the Stupidity of having alchohol, tobaco, and NyQuil legal and pot illegal.....
it's just funny.....

HAVE FUN...
...JUST DONT DIE

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I can see the reasons MJ was made illegal, but honestly I see most of the same reasoning behind tobacco.

I cannot see the reasons MJ was made illegal- it is very encouraging to see my country working towards legalizing it.


- in 15 yrs. have never once seen police officers in uniform or narcs present/ anyone arrested- at my d.z. We all strive to keep it that way "out of respect" for our d.z.

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perhaps your right. i stand corrected, there are now 1001 ways to justify breaking laws. you stated you break laws you don't like, enjoy what i fear may be the rest of your limited freedom. if you get busted i bet it would change your attitude. law enforcement officials don't "coddle" offenders.

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as to glue, it has none of the same effects of MJ.

i assume you speak from personal knowledge?

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might as well ask why you dont spend your money on commercial airlines instead of jump tickets. its all flying right??

so, you think i swim to saudi arabia and back twice a month?

really? you travel to saudi for the same reasons you skydive?? its all flying right?? :rollseyes:

actually i will not go to jail for any reason. ever. I will die defending my freedom from those who would take it from me no matter what I “did”. (even if they are "just doing their job") the only box any government will ever put me in is a coffin and they will bury many of their minions with me when they do…

and yes I do a great deal to help my friends save themselves (note the syntax there its real important) what I don’t do is attempt to determine their path for them. If they chose to starve themselves to death, I have to respect that choice, no matter how misguided I think it is…

Q: would you physically stop a friend from jumping a canopy you think he/she isn’t ready for??? Take their canopy away and lock them in the hanger?? “but they might die!!”

american independence (as individuals) has become a pale shadow of what it was for our founding fathers. That so many have bought into the herd mentality (ie sheep) sickens me, and is greatly responsible for the continued decline of individual rights

and FYI. 8 members of my close and extended family (including my father) are law enforcement, I have talked with them repeatedly about these issues (as part of my continuing search for answers) and the majority of them agree with me, at least philosophically, but are bound by their jobs to enforce the law. (Although there are laws that are regularly ignored by LE officers since they don’t always have personal political agendas like drug laws do)

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I bet if you put as much energy into trying to leagalize marijuna as you do posting about how it should be legalized you might actually cause the law to either be changed or at least modified(personally, I highly doubt it, but stranger things have happened)

In order to change those laws I would have to spend my time convincing the herd that my view is better for them thereby adopting the role of shepherd, something the govt will take exception to, particularly when my view differs from doctrine and would undermine years of media conditioning on the part of the government that is the reason that it hasn’t been changed, and that the government refuses to even study the issue, or fund any third party that whose results might contradict doctrine
btw posting in this thread has taken a sum total of about an hour of my time. If laws were as easily changed as they are made, a few months of my time would be sufficient, however we all know that is not the case.

when in fact all I wish is to be left alone to do as I please to and with myself, just as they would if they looked above the grass and their “eat, sleep, work, breed, die” mentality.

there is only one reason that justifies breaking any law. that is that you find it to be wrong. if you find a law unjust and yet you still obey it, you are a coward. Equally so if you know an action needs to be taken and yet do not because “the law says I cant”

Ps. Go read the ACTUAL laws in your state sometime. I imagine you’ll be surprised to see how many outdated laws you break everyday that have never been changed…

so to summarize and for all the lurkers and those who didn’t get it the first several times.

The real issue is not drugs at all. It’s the ability of an adult to determine their own path, have control over their own body and end or imperil their existence in any manner they chose that does not violate that same right for another. this applies to drugs, sex, skydiving,handguns, BASE, snowboarding, skiing, rock climbing, zoning laws…ie. EVERYTHING.

Continue to argue if you wish, but at least have the consideration to go look for source material on the subject (and cross reference sources, remember good science doesn’t start with a conclusion) agreeing with an opposing position does not make you sheep, but mindlessly repeating the party line without doing some research of your own certainly does.

im very glad you will fight for my right to say what i wish, and i will continue to fight for your right to DO what you wish so long as it does not interfere with the rights of another.

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actually i will not go to jail for any reason. ever. I will die defending my freedom from those who would take it from me no matter what I “did”. (even if they are "just doing their job") the only box any government will ever put me in is a coffin and they will bury many of their minions with me when they do…

(Rolls eyes) Riiiight, take it easy Francis.

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In order to change those laws I would have to spend my time convincing the herd that my view is better for them thereby adopting the role of shepherd, something the govt will take exception to, particularly when my view differs from doctrine and would undermine years of media conditioning on the part of the government that is the reason that it hasn’t been changed, and that the government refuses to even study the issue, or fund any third party that whose results might contradict doctrine
btw posting in this thread has taken a sum total of about an hour of my time. If laws were as easily changed as they are made, a few months of my time would be sufficient, however we all know that is not the case.

All righty then, sounds like you've already admitted defeat or at least rationalized a reason for not doing anything more than complain. As long as all the dope smokers think that way we can rest assurd that dope will never be legal.

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so to summarize and for all the lurkers and those who didn’t get it the first several times.

The real issue is not drugs at all. It’s the ability of an adult to determine their own path, have control over their own body and end or imperil their existence in any manner they chose that does not violate that same right for another

Actually, the real issue/topic was the use of dope on the DZ. It has long since moved away from that topic but it's the underlying casue for this thread. From what I've summized, even those who are neutral or pro dope agree that dope has no place on the DZ, if for no other reason but to avoid the associated problems it brings to the sport.

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but mindlessly repeating the party line without doing some research of your own certainly does.

So I guess that makes you a sheep too then since others have presented you with their findings, weather you agree with them or not, and you continue to spew your party line. Your convinced your "research" is infalliable and that anything produced by the Government is biased towards agenda and not fact. There is a description for that and it's called paranoid dillusion manifested through a problem with authority. Children can grasp the concept of right and wrong, good and bad by age 4, just because they grasp that and follow it for the rest of their lives does not make them sheep anymore than riding in an airplane makes one a skydiver.

"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required"
Some people dream about flying, I live my dream
SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING

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The real issue is not drugs at all. It’s the ability of an adult to determine their own path, have control over their own body and end or imperil their existence in any manner they chose that does not violate that same right for another.

Are you saying you can't make your own choices? I beg to differ. Anyone can make the choice to do anything they please as long as they assume the risks that go along with those choices. It's called maturity.

I intend to live forever -- so far, so good.

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doubt if you wish, but i will make anyone who threatens to take my freedom pay for it with their blood.

my "party line "is based on my own investigation into the issues. until someone presents me with something else supporting the (currently weak & outdated) "research" the government uses to justify their hardline view, i see no reason to change it. I do maintain an open mind on the issue, however i have yet to hear a single argument presenting ANY new information. my research is subject to the same critical review as any other and it is that criticism that shows how flawed the tests used to justify the current laws were. If you go into an experiment with a conclusion you simply cannot be objective, and THERE HAVE BEEN NO THIRD PARTY OBJECTIVE STUDIES DONE ON THE EFFECTS OF MARIJAUNA. Our government will not even entertain the idea much less fund it, and without government funding very little research EVER takes place.

i sure you remember what the 'real' prime principle of the US government is?
how about "money talks"

actually i do a great deal more than "complain" but the current system gives no real recourse other than civil disobedience. I vote, but one vote (or even a minority of votes)means nothing against the mass who votes the govts party line.

BTW i guess youve ignored all the state votes that have called for decrimalization, just as our federal government has.

as to its place on the DZ i agree, as a business the dropzone is most vulnerable to government sanctions and can never take a position contrary to the states and remain economically viable. For that reason, and that reason alone, I agree it should be kept off. Given the choice between drugs and skydiving i will gladly chose the sky, but i still maintain this is at root a self determination issue.


if those children grow up to think the government is always right and always has their best interests in mind then they are severely deluded sheep.

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Personally I think drugs at the DZ is a no no..

I've never done drugs and I never will. To each his own. I am neither a judge nor a jury.

Personally I am against drug use all together. Pot, Cocaine, LSD, on and on and on..

With what we all do skydiving why in the fuck would you want to alter your mind? Why? I sure as hell don't want to have a slow moment or an LSD flashback in the middle of a pond swoop.. lol

Please.. Explain to me why anyone does drugs in the first place. And don't compare it to skydiving or drinking a couple of beers when the beer lite goes on.

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You do something illegal and get caught, you deserve what happens.

Well said....

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doubt if you wish, but i will make anyone who threatens to take my freedom pay for it with their blood.

LOL do you stand in the mirror and practice saying that? Everyone wants to be free. Are you saying that you will kill anyone who trys to apprehend you for comitting a crime or are you generalizing about freedom?

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i have yet to hear a single argument presenting ANY new information.

And you have not stated anything earth shockingly new either, same song and dance as in years past when this issues was addressed.

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THERE HAVE BEEN NO THIRD PARTY OBJECTIVE STUDIES DONE ON THE EFFECTS OF MARIJAUNA

As it was already stated, why haven't any studies been carried out in other countries then that would both appease your desire to have an unbiased study and remove the US government from involvement? A lot of studies are undertaken outside of the US(stem cell research comes to mind as does cloneing) but we have yet to see anything on marijunana. I think that goes to show that the medical field has realized that there isn't anything clinicaly healthy about ingesting a burning substance.

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I vote, but one vote (or even a minority of votes)means nothing against the mass who votes the govts party line.

I don't know what world you vote in but the one I vote in the people have a choice and it isn't listed as "Gov't party line" on the ballot. People make a chocie based on their decissions, just becasue yours is a minority of the vote doesn't make all the rest of the votes "gov't party line" votes.

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BTW i guess youve ignored all the state votes that have called for decrimalization, just as our federal government has.

No, I haven't but it also doesn't take a genius to figure out that you can gather a group of people to support just about anything, just becasue a group of people have decided on a issue does it mean everyone in the US is in agreement.

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actually i do a great deal more than "complain" but the current system gives no real recourse other than civil disobedience.

I'll pose a challenge to you that doesn't involve civil disobedience. Start an movement to have a US ,state by state vote on the legalization issue, if for anything to gather data. Just like trident chewing gum, I'd bet 4 out of 5 voters would choose not to legalize dope. While several states might be high on the pro dope side, as a country, pro dope would be a minority.

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if those children grow up to think the government is always right and always has their best interests in mind then they are severely deluded sheep.

Ya know, I've never been shot(been shot at,seen people shot and have shot people) but I don't need to get shot to know that it hurts. I don't think any sane adult is dillusional enough to actually believe everything the Gov't does is in their best interest but over all the general population believes the Gov't does it's best to meet the majorities best interests.

"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required"
Some people dream about flying, I live my dream
SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING

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And don't compare it to skydiving or drinking a couple of beers when the beer lite goes on.

Ok, so are you saying that alchohol is better than other drugs? how did you come to this conclusion???????
because it's legal????
a scientific study????
a drug is a drug is a drug......

HAVE FUN...
...JUST DONT DIE

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well i'll just say don’t bother to read much literature, view much art or listen to alot of music if you discount drugs as "useless" because a great deal of what is recognized as masterpieces in each genre were created by habitual drug users

many drugs are used simply as methods of altering your perception and therefore your perspective, they are by no means the only way, but they are a fairly consistent method, they change the chemical makeup of your brain and in many ways allow you to "be someone else" and see things from a perspective different from your own and sometimes differing from any ever expressed by another artist..

now, all that is subjective and personal, there is no scientific studies to back that statement, but there are lots of critical reviews of artists (Picasso, Van Gogh, Cezanne as a few examples) during their drug use period and not, with very few exceptions their best, most acclaimed work was created during their times of heavy use. Literarily S.T. Coleridge, Shelly and Byron are all examples of Romantic writers who heavily indulged and the musical examples are to numerous to begin to count. Drugs can help to create great art, by taking the artists outside themselves. Of course it can also be argued that depression, pain and suffering also help to create great art and are often reasons why someone would begin to take drugs in the first place.

this does not imply that taking heroin will turn your fingerpaintings into masterpieces or help fix the fact your completely tone deaf, but drugs are a very prolific source for many creative types and have been recognized as such by “more enlightened cultures” (those that don’t care what you do to yourself)

they are also a means of relaxation and release, just as cigarettes and alchol for many people. Its really all a matter of timing and moderation, as with everything in life...

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What is the 1 drug that in lab experiments mice and rat's would consume until death??????
not coke, not heroin, not POT.....
it was good ole grown in the usa tobacco....
has anyone looked at the stats to see how many people are killed or injured in traffic accidents because of smoking.....
yeah......
all of this anti drug bullshit is all brought on by what we have "Been told"....
i wish they would bring back prohibition just so i could sit back and laugh at the "anti drug" people bitching before heading off to the speakeasy.....

HAVE FUN...
...JUST DONT DIE

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Well Zen... Personally I don't appreciate ANY of the things you mentioned? You have yet to mention something I do give a fuck about.. Don't think Chesty Puller was a drug user..

And I have NO urge to alter my mind. Why would you want to?

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lol

Knew that was coming... I setthe rules for the question now follow them..

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No coffee??? Christ how do you live? I drink it, smoke it, shoot it, snort it and eat it.

JJ

"Call me Darth Balls"

[billvon 2,426]

>Then by that logic, comparing skydiving fatalities and marijuana
> induced fatalities holds just as much water.

If you look at the fatalities of MJ users caused by their usage of MJ, I'd agree.

> It wouldn't surprise me in the least if one day tobacco becomes illegal . . .

It would suprise me - there is way more money in selling tobacco than even in enforcing laws against marijuana.

>Other wise what might be a minor offense coould get you the death
> penalty in another town, or state. that would kind of defeat the
>whole "United" part of the United States of America.

You do realize that something that could get you 30 years in prison in one state could get you the death penalty in another, right? And that a hooker can work legally in Nevada but not in New York? The rights not reserved to the federal government are given to state and local government - it's in the constitution.

"United" has a really important word following it - "states," indepenent entities that have their own governments and their own rules, within limits. I think that's a good thing.

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well that is certainly your right, and if you discount the value of Art, I’m not about to try and convince you otherwise. (I enjoy teaching but expect students to seek knowledge as well I’m not here to feed them) and i imagine the majority of the forum (should I start a poll?) will agree that art, literature, and music are very important things in the development as a culture and the individual education process and that any individual who willfully chooses to ignore those disciplines is missing a great deal of life and experience on this planet.

why would you alter your mind? lots of reasons. you only experience reality thru your senses. All input into those senses is interpreted by the mind. You cant really alter your senses terribly much (when functioning) they work in essentially the same no matter what your physical location or condition. If your mind always functions in the same predicable patterns to the information conveyed by your senses, you are that much less likely to be creative or to expand the human experience. Drugs offer another (admittedly treacherous) path of self-exploration. They alter (not necessarily degrade) your usual reactions to the people, places and things (the World) around you. Ever get in a fight (while drunk) with someone you were friends with over nothing? How about become friends with someone (again while drunk) who you hated when you were sober? That’s alcohol changing your reactions to your environment.

Diversion into personal testimony disregard as it has little scientific basis, just an observation about altering your mind … I once watched one of my students (who was an average fencer. Btw fencing is totally about timing and distance with technique a close third) literally walk thru the salle for 3 rounds playing “king of the hill” while so stoned you couldn’t see the whites of his eyes...everyone thought he would be an easy mark (he usually was, constantly pulled a counter-six when you beat his blade) and was giving him shit (including me as coach) about coming into class blazed. But something (relaxation, detachment, lack of concern) made his parries effortless (and impeneratable. I had to resort to “sneaky old man” tricks to hit him) and his disengage and ripostes devastatingly quick and accurate..(it felt like trying to parry the air)..did it make him a better fencer? In a way yes, lots of things “clicked” for him that night and he carried many of them into latter lessons overall. (that predicable parry became a great second intention) Fluke? Perhaps, maybe that was his night to break a plateau and he would have done so anyway, or it was a once in a life time moment that he could never repeat again, or perhaps being stoned gave him the mental relaxation to let his training take over..who knows.. the point is that mindset is a very important part of performance in nearly all endeavors and anything that may alter your mindset toward the goal you are reaching for should be explored

All journeys can be learning experiences or they can be a means of escape. That choice is up to the individual. Do you want someone telling you when and where you may and may not walk? Isnt it all about collecting as many breath-taking experiences as you can before the game is over?

hmm you know i was done with this discussion, but its become interesting once again...
btw i seem to remember reading that Chesty drank alot of coffee. That makes him a drug user

as a side question (i'm a pretty big fan of Gen. Puller myself) Which do you think he found more valuable, more important. Doctrine or individual intuition?

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