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CAPPS II makes a comeback. Are your papers in order?

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Papers please



Fine!! I'll just take my Ak and go home!

This is utterly f**King rediculous!
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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It is funny that your travel companions can also get you "red flagged".

HUM, wonder whast they though you Dragontail, you and me on that flight back from Perris. 4 rigs and lots of alcohol. LMAO...B|

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I have been. My return flight on Northwest was canceled, and they booked me on United. Northwest paid for the one-way ticket via ACH, so I got an SSS code on my boarding card. It was a huge pain in the ass. I felt that my privacy was invaded when they went through all my stuff. Had not the roll of film in one of my cameras already been rewound, they would have exposed it (good that Canons keep the exposed film in the cartridge). They even went through the contents of my wallet. I was unamused.

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How about the system being built with no public disclosure or oversight and being granted supraconsititutional powers? How about the system making decisions on you that you can't question, or correct if they're wrong about you? Or even find out the reasons for?

People have already been detained and not allowed to fly just because they had the same name as a 'suspected terrorist' - in one case, a terrorist who had already been arrested.

This is exactly the kind of insidious progress towards a police state we have always feared. And more to the point, by allowing our civil liberties to be eroded in this way, we are letting the terrorists win, and all without actually doing anything to increase our safety.

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Why CAPPS II actually makes flying more dangerous
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People have already been detained and not allowed to fly just because they had the same name as a 'suspected terrorist' - in one case, a terrorist who had already been arrested.



The best example I can think of is a group of nuns who were on the "do not fly list" because they took part in a few anti-poverty demonstrations.

Here it is: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/09/27/MN181034.DTL


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That means from 1 to 3 people from every commercial flight will be turned away or arrested? How dramatic!



Yup certainly makes you think twice about saying: America, Land of the Free.



Good grief, like we don't already have to show our "papers" at the airport anyway. For as long as there have been metal detectors at airports we've, by default, waived our civil liberties at the airport.

No warrants are required for search or siezure, you can already be denied boarding a flight or access to the terminal. You personal belongings are x-ray-ed/probed/prodded/swabbed/touched anyway.

What's worse than this "rule" to come is the fact that it's even being announced: "Hmm, if I buy a one-way ticket, I'll get noticed. Hmm, I'll buy a round trip, save money, and the suspicion meters won't get bumped."

Criminy...no, the world is not coming to an end. The Republic is not about to falter. We've waive our rights at airports for years.
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Criminy...no, the world is not coming to an end. The Republic is not about to falter. We've waive our rights at airports for years.



You're right. It's not about to falter. It fell many years ago. We're in the denial phase of grieving for the dead.


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You're right. It's not about to falter. It fell many years ago. We're in the denial phase of grieving for the dead.



Of course I disagree, and your shrill scream that it has means that they should have come for me years ago.
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Good grief, like we don't already have to show our "papers" at the airport anyway. For as long as there have been metal detectors at airports we've, by default, waived our civil liberties at the airport.



Oh really?

You mean for years I've been having my bank accounts checked, credit cards purchases catalogued, library records run to see if I've checked out any 'subversive' materials? How about your shoppers club card- did you buy rolling papers last month? Hey, I've got a thing for porno rentals. Oops- that puts me in a higher risk catagory. Step to the side.

Hey, my name shares the first four letters with a suspected terrorist and I checked out a book by Rashid Mohammed Hock-Hock. CODE RED! CODE RED! Oh, and by the way, this is not 'sorry, you can't fly.' This is 'lie down on the ground while we slap the cuffs on you.' You want a phone call? Oh, well based on the policy in place this day we're holding you incognito. No phone call, no lawyer, nothing.

Best of luck to you- hope your house is in order. The government has been trying to data mine you for years and it has been stopped everytime- so far. Echelon, Carnivore, Total Information Awareness- it's 1984+20.

If you want to keep living in a free republic you need to accept certain risks and some rather scary possibilities. We did not become the home of the brave because we were free. We became the land of the free because we were brave.

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I didn't mean to convey that I was comfortable with CAPPS II. In fact, I think it's really stupid to make announcements about certain "safeguards" that they want to try. Point is, CAPPS I is already in place and flags one-way and cash purchases. The point I was making is that there is no expectation of privacy at the airport.

As for the rest, that is already going on now, with or without the help of federal initiatives. Every damn offer I get for a f**k**g credit card is the result of market-research-credit profile data mining. How difficult do you think it is to catalog this information for consumption by any given public or private sector enterprise?
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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That's a quote. Clark Howard on 750 WSB shortly after 9/11. That summed up his position about how he would not be afraid to get on an airline, or go to the mall, or the movie theatre, etc.

Myself, I was in the airport the second day they resumed commercial flights. I heard that line a few days later and it stuck with me.

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There is, however, an expectation to secure in your homes, your papers, and your person against search and seizure. Although they have become electronic, I would still consider your bank accounts, computers, credit accounts and similar things 'your papers.'

For those of you reading, check out your credit reports if you have not already. You might be suprised how inaccurate they can be. Gee, I wonder what else might be inaccurate?

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