Gawain 0 #1 March 25, 2004 Story here. Thursday, March 25, 2004 Associated Press DETROIT — Two teenagers who authorities say beat the grandmother of one of them to death with a claw hammer because she opposed their lesbian relationship were convicted Thursday of murder. Separate juries found Larqueta Collier, 16, and Sharon Patterson, 17, guilty in the slaying last September of Bertha Atkins. Collier also was convicted of arson for setting fire to her 64-year-old grandmother's house. The teens were tried as adults and face a mandatory life in prison with no chance of parole when they are sentenced April 13. The grandmother lived with her daughter and her granddaughter. The teenagers hatched the murder plot after Collier's mother told the grandmother to keep Patterson out of the house, investigators said. After the crime, the two teenagers went to see a movie, then surrendered to police. Yeah, nothing like catching a movie after beating someone to death. geeez.... *sigh*So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #2 March 25, 2004 It's not a "hate crime" though. It would only be a "hate" crime if two heterosexual people beat a lesbian to death with a hammer. That would be far worse... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #3 March 25, 2004 I think the "claw type" hammer should be banned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #4 March 25, 2004 QuoteIt's not a "hate crime" though. It would only be a "hate" crime if two heterosexual people beat a lesbian to death with a hammer. That would be far worse... Apples and oranges. They didn't kill her because of her class, they killed her because she didn't approve of their's. If they killed her because she was heterosexual, that would be a hate crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #5 March 25, 2004 Or they should at least be required to be registered in order to keep dangerous claw hammers out of the hands of potential criminals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #6 March 25, 2004 Quote think the "claw type" hammer should be banned. Wouldn't that infringe upon my Constitutional rights to bear "claw type" hammers? Not that I would bear a hammer mind you I prefer to hire"hit" men for "claw type" hammer work Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #7 March 25, 2004 I believe it would... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #8 March 25, 2004 QuoteI think the "claw type" hammer should be banned. First they take the claw type hammers, next thing you know it will be ball peened hammers, and after that potato mashers. Where will it end? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #9 March 25, 2004 QuoteQuoteIt's not a "hate crime" though. It would only be a "hate" crime if two heterosexual people beat a lesbian to death with a hammer. That would be far worse... Apples and oranges. They didn't kill her because of her class, they killed her because she didn't approve of their's. If they killed her because she was heterosexual, that would be a hate crime. Indeed. We all know that the murder by claw hammer would have been far worse had they done it because she was a heterosexual. Goodness, I detest "hate crime." Just call a "crime" a "crime." My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #10 March 25, 2004 Dogs and cats sleeping together. Total caos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Keith 0 #11 March 25, 2004 They'll have to pry my "claw type" hammer from my cold dead hands.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #12 March 26, 2004 For those that don't know the "claw hammer" see attached. They're everywhere. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #13 March 26, 2004 Wow. We still don't know whether it was a framing hammer or a finishing hammer, though. We sure should be on the lookout. I'd be in favor of suing the hammer manufacturers. They should be made safer. Revolvers have hammers. Coincidence? I don't think so. Hammer manufacturers and gun manufacturers are in bed together. Let's wipe them out. For the children.. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #14 March 26, 2004 QuoteHammer manufacturers and gun manufacturers are in bed together. Let's wipe them out. For the children.. For the children, that's my dad's favorite phrase to make fun of. You left out the whiney voice. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #15 March 26, 2004 QuoteThey'll have to pry my "claw type" hammer from my cold dead hands Everyone must join and vote.... KEITH for President of the NCHA ( National CLAW HAMMER Association) How much will THIS lifetime membership be... do I get a kewl hat with braids on it.. and which magazine... I get Womens Outlook from the other guys Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #16 March 26, 2004 QuoteEveryone must join and vote.... KEITH for President of the NCHA ( National CLAW HAMMER Association) How much will THIS lifetime membership be... do I get a kewl hat with braids on it.. and which magazine... I get Womens Outlook from the other guys Sorry, due to third-party-liability insurance, annual dues will be approximately $250.00. Oh, and the magazine will be monthly newsletter from Sears and Craftsman. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Keith 0 #17 March 26, 2004 Our magazine is Nail Gun Quarterly. We're advocating the need for nail guns when hanging picutres.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites harryskydives 0 #18 March 26, 2004 Maybe the Sheriff will sponsor a volunteer claw hammer turn in. That way they can redistribute our tax dollars to people who turn in old claw hammers. I fell safer just knowing that some one is thinking about protecting me from claw hammers. Don't run out of altitude and experience at the same time... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DeNReN 0 #19 March 26, 2004 Claw hammers are very dangerous....look at who uses them most....carpenters!...damn evil profession I tell ya.. Now ball pein hammers are tools of the mechanic...when was the last time anyone posted about a death from a ball pein beating? Something to think about ..isnt it? Edited: to correct a spelling thingy......i before e except after c my ass Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #20 March 26, 2004 QuoteNow ball pien hammers are tools of the mechanic...when was the last time anyone posted about a death from a ball pien beating? WELL now that you bring it up http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/streiber/273/sutcliffe_cf.htm Method/Weapons Used - Stabbing, Strangulation, Bashing / Ball-Pein Hammer, Knives, Claw Hammer, Hacksaw, Screwdrivers, Rope On the 23 April 1977 Patricia Atkinson, who was living alone in a small house in Bradford, went down to her local pub for a drink with her friends. After a while she decided to leave the pub and walk home. She was not seen all the next day but people thought she was just recovering from the night at the pub. The next day friends visited and found that the door to the flat was unlocked so they entered. As they went in they saw her body on the bed, her clothes pulled off, she was stabbed seven times and the killer had slashed the left part of her body. It seemed that she had been attacked as she entered the flat, with four blows from a ball-pein hammer, then the killer dragged her dead body on her bed and proceeded to mutilate it. It was no doubt the Yorkshire Ripper - a size seven wellington boot print had been left on one of the bed sheets, the same as the one left at the crime scene of Emily Jacksons murder. If you are going to do evil things with a hammer at LEAST know the proper one to use http://www.hammernet.com/select.htm OH THE HORROR Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DeNReN 0 #21 March 26, 2004 Damn crafty carpenters Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #22 March 26, 2004 I guess that Yorkshire Terriers should be included in the list of not insurables...."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #23 March 26, 2004 Quotea size seven wellington boot print Size seven? Was a stepladder nearby? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites panzwami 0 #24 March 26, 2004 ....because anytime anyone who is a member of a protected class is killed, they were OBVIOUSLY killed because of their membership in that class, and as such the killers must be even more severly punished.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #25 March 26, 2004 Sadly true. Rocket has it - a crime is a crime because of the action. Don't worry, many people will stand up and try to protect these murderers because of it. The problem with claw hammers is they are created for only one thing - to kill Sign on door at work - "This establishment prohibits claw hammers" (except it of course is in all caps) ... 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pajarito 0 #7 March 25, 2004 I believe it would... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #8 March 25, 2004 QuoteI think the "claw type" hammer should be banned. First they take the claw type hammers, next thing you know it will be ball peened hammers, and after that potato mashers. Where will it end? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #9 March 25, 2004 QuoteQuoteIt's not a "hate crime" though. It would only be a "hate" crime if two heterosexual people beat a lesbian to death with a hammer. That would be far worse... Apples and oranges. They didn't kill her because of her class, they killed her because she didn't approve of their's. If they killed her because she was heterosexual, that would be a hate crime. Indeed. We all know that the murder by claw hammer would have been far worse had they done it because she was a heterosexual. Goodness, I detest "hate crime." Just call a "crime" a "crime." My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #10 March 25, 2004 Dogs and cats sleeping together. Total caos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #11 March 25, 2004 They'll have to pry my "claw type" hammer from my cold dead hands.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #12 March 26, 2004 For those that don't know the "claw hammer" see attached. They're everywhere. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #13 March 26, 2004 Wow. We still don't know whether it was a framing hammer or a finishing hammer, though. We sure should be on the lookout. I'd be in favor of suing the hammer manufacturers. They should be made safer. Revolvers have hammers. Coincidence? I don't think so. Hammer manufacturers and gun manufacturers are in bed together. Let's wipe them out. For the children.. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #14 March 26, 2004 QuoteHammer manufacturers and gun manufacturers are in bed together. Let's wipe them out. For the children.. For the children, that's my dad's favorite phrase to make fun of. You left out the whiney voice. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #15 March 26, 2004 QuoteThey'll have to pry my "claw type" hammer from my cold dead hands Everyone must join and vote.... KEITH for President of the NCHA ( National CLAW HAMMER Association) How much will THIS lifetime membership be... do I get a kewl hat with braids on it.. and which magazine... I get Womens Outlook from the other guys Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #16 March 26, 2004 QuoteEveryone must join and vote.... KEITH for President of the NCHA ( National CLAW HAMMER Association) How much will THIS lifetime membership be... do I get a kewl hat with braids on it.. and which magazine... I get Womens Outlook from the other guys Sorry, due to third-party-liability insurance, annual dues will be approximately $250.00. Oh, and the magazine will be monthly newsletter from Sears and Craftsman. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Keith 0 #17 March 26, 2004 Our magazine is Nail Gun Quarterly. We're advocating the need for nail guns when hanging picutres.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites harryskydives 0 #18 March 26, 2004 Maybe the Sheriff will sponsor a volunteer claw hammer turn in. That way they can redistribute our tax dollars to people who turn in old claw hammers. I fell safer just knowing that some one is thinking about protecting me from claw hammers. Don't run out of altitude and experience at the same time... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DeNReN 0 #19 March 26, 2004 Claw hammers are very dangerous....look at who uses them most....carpenters!...damn evil profession I tell ya.. Now ball pein hammers are tools of the mechanic...when was the last time anyone posted about a death from a ball pein beating? Something to think about ..isnt it? Edited: to correct a spelling thingy......i before e except after c my ass Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #20 March 26, 2004 QuoteNow ball pien hammers are tools of the mechanic...when was the last time anyone posted about a death from a ball pien beating? WELL now that you bring it up http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/streiber/273/sutcliffe_cf.htm Method/Weapons Used - Stabbing, Strangulation, Bashing / Ball-Pein Hammer, Knives, Claw Hammer, Hacksaw, Screwdrivers, Rope On the 23 April 1977 Patricia Atkinson, who was living alone in a small house in Bradford, went down to her local pub for a drink with her friends. After a while she decided to leave the pub and walk home. She was not seen all the next day but people thought she was just recovering from the night at the pub. The next day friends visited and found that the door to the flat was unlocked so they entered. As they went in they saw her body on the bed, her clothes pulled off, she was stabbed seven times and the killer had slashed the left part of her body. It seemed that she had been attacked as she entered the flat, with four blows from a ball-pein hammer, then the killer dragged her dead body on her bed and proceeded to mutilate it. It was no doubt the Yorkshire Ripper - a size seven wellington boot print had been left on one of the bed sheets, the same as the one left at the crime scene of Emily Jacksons murder. If you are going to do evil things with a hammer at LEAST know the proper one to use http://www.hammernet.com/select.htm OH THE HORROR Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DeNReN 0 #21 March 26, 2004 Damn crafty carpenters Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #22 March 26, 2004 I guess that Yorkshire Terriers should be included in the list of not insurables...."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #23 March 26, 2004 Quotea size seven wellington boot print Size seven? Was a stepladder nearby? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites panzwami 0 #24 March 26, 2004 ....because anytime anyone who is a member of a protected class is killed, they were OBVIOUSLY killed because of their membership in that class, and as such the killers must be even more severly punished.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #25 March 26, 2004 Sadly true. Rocket has it - a crime is a crime because of the action. Don't worry, many people will stand up and try to protect these murderers because of it. The problem with claw hammers is they are created for only one thing - to kill Sign on door at work - "This establishment prohibits claw hammers" (except it of course is in all caps) ... 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Gawain 0 #16 March 26, 2004 QuoteEveryone must join and vote.... KEITH for President of the NCHA ( National CLAW HAMMER Association) How much will THIS lifetime membership be... do I get a kewl hat with braids on it.. and which magazine... I get Womens Outlook from the other guys Sorry, due to third-party-liability insurance, annual dues will be approximately $250.00. Oh, and the magazine will be monthly newsletter from Sears and Craftsman. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #17 March 26, 2004 Our magazine is Nail Gun Quarterly. We're advocating the need for nail guns when hanging picutres.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
harryskydives 0 #18 March 26, 2004 Maybe the Sheriff will sponsor a volunteer claw hammer turn in. That way they can redistribute our tax dollars to people who turn in old claw hammers. I fell safer just knowing that some one is thinking about protecting me from claw hammers. Don't run out of altitude and experience at the same time... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeNReN 0 #19 March 26, 2004 Claw hammers are very dangerous....look at who uses them most....carpenters!...damn evil profession I tell ya.. Now ball pein hammers are tools of the mechanic...when was the last time anyone posted about a death from a ball pein beating? Something to think about ..isnt it? Edited: to correct a spelling thingy......i before e except after c my ass Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #20 March 26, 2004 QuoteNow ball pien hammers are tools of the mechanic...when was the last time anyone posted about a death from a ball pien beating? WELL now that you bring it up http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/streiber/273/sutcliffe_cf.htm Method/Weapons Used - Stabbing, Strangulation, Bashing / Ball-Pein Hammer, Knives, Claw Hammer, Hacksaw, Screwdrivers, Rope On the 23 April 1977 Patricia Atkinson, who was living alone in a small house in Bradford, went down to her local pub for a drink with her friends. After a while she decided to leave the pub and walk home. She was not seen all the next day but people thought she was just recovering from the night at the pub. The next day friends visited and found that the door to the flat was unlocked so they entered. As they went in they saw her body on the bed, her clothes pulled off, she was stabbed seven times and the killer had slashed the left part of her body. It seemed that she had been attacked as she entered the flat, with four blows from a ball-pein hammer, then the killer dragged her dead body on her bed and proceeded to mutilate it. It was no doubt the Yorkshire Ripper - a size seven wellington boot print had been left on one of the bed sheets, the same as the one left at the crime scene of Emily Jacksons murder. If you are going to do evil things with a hammer at LEAST know the proper one to use http://www.hammernet.com/select.htm OH THE HORROR Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeNReN 0 #21 March 26, 2004 Damn crafty carpenters Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #22 March 26, 2004 I guess that Yorkshire Terriers should be included in the list of not insurables...."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #23 March 26, 2004 Quotea size seven wellington boot print Size seven? Was a stepladder nearby? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
panzwami 0 #24 March 26, 2004 ....because anytime anyone who is a member of a protected class is killed, they were OBVIOUSLY killed because of their membership in that class, and as such the killers must be even more severly punished.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #25 March 26, 2004 Sadly true. Rocket has it - a crime is a crime because of the action. Don't worry, many people will stand up and try to protect these murderers because of it. The problem with claw hammers is they are created for only one thing - to kill Sign on door at work - "This establishment prohibits claw hammers" (except it of course is in all caps) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
