jtval 0 #26 November 18, 2003 not sure if you(anyone) knows "and gates" "or gates" etc but when you run logic through them you get different outcomes. that may have been why we saw so many Neos in the architech room on matrix 2My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #27 November 18, 2003 QuoteIvan, I sense that you were unhappy with the movie? At least it was a little better than "reloaded" Yes very unhappy, I mean, the first one was REALLY good, a totally new concept, no only the story but also the effects, and it ended like a piece of senseless soap opera, what a shame.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hummusx 0 #28 November 18, 2003 Here's a thought about the ending. In the first movie, Smith killed Neo. It is emphasized in the second movie that he WAS killed. Then somehow, inexplicably, he wasn't dead. Shortly after that, he killed Smith. And as Smith said in the second movie, he didn't do what he was supposed to do after he died. So they were both in some sort of state of limbo, based on the fact that part of each of them was in the other (again, referenced in the second movie). Then when they were finally combined in the end of the third movie, that limbo state was released and they both died as they should have in the first movie. ____________________________________ It’s like selling a million grills all at the same time…with extended warranties. -Hank Hill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #29 November 18, 2003 I don't think that Neo was the One. He did not fulfill the prophesy. The little girl was the One. ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,772 #30 November 18, 2003 >I see Neo's ability to control the sentinals this way . . . I think that happened when he reached the Source and touched it in Enter the Matrix. When he did that, a part of him remained connected to the Source and thereby to the matrix itself. That gave him some limited control over the Matrix and even the ability to enter it without being jacked in (although he couldn't then figure out how to jack out without help.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,772 #31 November 18, 2003 >He did not fulfill the prophesy. Here's the prophesy from the original movie: ----------------------------- MORPHEUS: I feel that I owe you an apology. There is a rule that we do not free a mind once it reaches a certain age. It is dangerous. They have trouble letting go.. Their mind turns against them. I've seen it happen. I broke the rule because I had to. When the Matrix was first built there was a man born inside that had the ability to change what he wanted, to remake the Matrix as he saw fit. It was this man that freed the first of us and taught us the secret of the war; control the Matrix and you control the future. When he died, the Oracle at the temple of Zion prophesied his return and envisioned an end to the war and freedom for our people. That is why there are those of us that have spent our entire lives searching the Matrix, looking for him. I did what I did, because I believe we have been brought here for a reason, Neo. You are here to serve a purpose, just as I am here to serve mine. ---------------------------- Neo did end the war and provided freedom for both Zion and (if the architecht keeps his word) freedom for anyone who wants to leave the matrix. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pds 0 #32 November 20, 2003 QuoteQuote....Neo will be back?? Sure when they make "The Matrix - Devolutions" and we all get our refunds. Or perhaps "The Matrix - Refunded" i feel like a bitchasspunk. those fuckers got me twice. really ruins any enjoyment of the first reel. i went home and rinsed my eyes out with fight club.namaste, motherfucker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #33 April 7, 2004 Missed Revolution in the theatre so I rented it today when it came out. I was totaly stoked cuz I had such high hopes for it and friends said it kicked butt. What a POS, they shouldve left it off at the first movie. AAGGHHH. Man and I heard Kill Bill V1 kicks butt too, hope I'm not disapointed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBile 0 #34 April 7, 2004 I haven't read any of the other responses before typing this, I'll do that after. But here's what I figured when I first saw it. The Machines had no direct access to Smith's program and so was unable to delete him. Neo was plugged into the matrix via the machine world's connection. When Smith infected Neo with his replicating program, this allowed the machines access to it, enabling them to send a virus / deletion programme of their own. Because all the Smith's were linked together, this program was able to spread and erase the existence of Smith, returning all that he infected to their original programs. Smith's comment about him seeing the end, and then becoming confused when it didn't pan out as he was expecting could be explained by the fact that the end he saw was through Neo's eyes (post infection) rather than his own. And now to read the more intellectual responses................Gerb I stir feelings in others they themselves don't understand. KA'CHOW ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerryfuss 0 #35 April 7, 2004 QuoteMissed Revolution in the theatre so I rented it today when it came out. I was totaly stoked cuz I had such high hopes for it and friends said it kicked butt. What a POS, they shouldve left it off at the first movie. AAGGHHH. Man and I heard Kill Bill V1 kicks butt too, hope I'm not disapointed. I totaly agree. The matrix SHOULD have stopped at film 1. Revolutions was the worst one. On the other hand you have Kill Bill which I enjoyed immensely. It's quite graphic and somewhat vulgar but a kick ass movie if that stuff doesn't bother you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #36 April 7, 2004 I just watched it again last night, and I think it's an even better movie than I did at first. There are so many subtle hints in the trilogy there's a lot more to it I'm sure. For some reason I can't shake the feeling that Sati is more important that made blatently obvious. For example the film technique used when she's first introduced is almost biblical (White light with yellow glow around her body, looking down in a godlike way on Neo). Not to mention that she, according to the Oracles question and her response, made the sun rise at the end of the movie. Who knows...but it's fun speculating Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #37 April 7, 2004 It may have already been posted, but this makes an interesting read Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #38 April 7, 2004 Here ya go. My favorite is the conversatin between Neo and the Oracle. The Matrix: Stupid Boring Dog Shit Part III"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #39 April 7, 2004 Quote Smith personified Death, Neo Personified Life. When smith tried to assimilate Neo, they bassicaly both became zero, like a neutralization of two chemical agents, and then there is nothing, and smith can no longer take over the matrix because his code was neutralized. Perfect. My thoughts exactly, two opposites together will cance each other out to make nothing. That's what happened. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #40 April 7, 2004 Neo is not the one. The little girl is. She is a human born in the matrix, Neo was not. ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #41 April 7, 2004 QuoteNeo is not the one. The little girl is. She is a human born in the matrix, Neo was not. So does this leave it open for a 4th? I hope not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #42 April 7, 2004 QuoteSo does this leave it open for a 4th? I hope not. I disagree, I had a great time drinking rum and yelling at the movie screen during the last two big piles of shit. I apologize to the few people who were there for yelling at the projector guy to stop so I could rewrite the script. I swear the dialogue was created with something like a prison bitch name generator..."Neo, what will happen..." "Nothing that hasn't happened before." "That was a long time ago.""I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,772 #43 April 7, 2004 > Neo was plugged into the matrix via the machine world's connection. > When Smith infected Neo with his replicating program, this allowed > the machines access to it, enabling them to send a virus / deletion > programme of their own. Because all the Smith's were linked > together, this program was able to spread and erase the existence > of Smith, returning all that he infected to their original programs. I think it's a lot simpler than that. In the first movie Neo was able to "enter" an agent and destroy him. He did the same to the agent at the end, after realizing he could just allow the replicating program to run and thus end up "inside" the agent again. (He realized this when he heard Smith talk about what he saw through the eyes of the Oracle, which meant that the Oracle had survived the 'absorption' process.) Since all the agents were separate instantiations of one chunk of code (Smith) destroying the one chunk of code destroyed them all. >Smith's comment about him seeing the end, and then becoming > confused when it didn't pan out as he was expecting could be > explained by the fact that the end he saw was through Neo's eyes > (post infection) rather than his own. Or it was because the Oracle, like Neo, was able to exist inside the agent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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