riddler 0 #1 September 7, 2007 When asked why the iPhone does not include Java, Steve Jobs of Apple replied: QuoteJava’s not worth building in [to the iPhone]. Nobody uses Java anymore. It’s this big heavyweight ball and chain. Well, that sucks. I've been programming Java for 12 years now, and my career is in the toilet, I guess. I guess, me and the other five million Java programmers world-wide will have to make a living by relying on the 4 billion other devices that currently do support Java. I hope someday I'm as rich and powerful as Steve Jobs, so I can live in my own little fantasy world, too Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindercles 0 #2 September 7, 2007 That's funny, just yesterday I ran across a website that had a java application and I thought to myself "weird, nobody uses java anymore." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
favaks 0 #3 September 7, 2007 It's funny. I'm on my 10th year developing with Java. Where I'm from there is a shortage of good Java developers. Some people do live in bubbles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eeneR 1 #4 September 7, 2007 You're old! Sorry, in a smart ass mood... She is not a "Dumb Blonde" - She is a "Light-Haired Detour Off The Information Superhighway." eeneR TF#72, FB#4130, Incauto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #5 September 7, 2007 Quote That's funny, just yesterday I ran across a website that had a java application and I thought to myself "weird, nobody uses java anymore." Nobody uses Applets anymore. By today's standard, they don't cut the mustard (yes, eener, that little phrase just proves how old I am ). How many websites do you see that have URLs that end in JSP? A good chunk of web applications use Java somewhere in the back-end, even if you don't see it on the web page itself. 80% of mobile devices have Java as well. It's not the best thing going out there right now, but it definitely has a wide acceptance base, and yes, people still use it.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 26 #6 September 7, 2007 I know we, along with quite a few outfits, have dropped java for .net in the last year or so.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #7 September 7, 2007 Quote I know we, along with quite a few outfits, have dropped java for .net in the last year or so. I have to admit that I like .NET. It has flaws for sure, but there has been a tremendous library base built up around .NET, surpassing Java in several ways. I'm also surprised that most of the .NET programmers I talk to are C#.NET - more than half of those transitioned from Java, due to the similarity of the syntax. Last year, I deployed my first production C# application, and I would say that it was equivalent to any Java app I've ever built - in some ways even better. But I have yet to see a comparison of enterprise level apps in .NET vs. Java. And at this point, I doubt that I will ever fully convert - just too much time spent learning Java, and I believe too much in multi-platform compatibility. This is where Jobs' statement surprises me. You would think that he would be more supportive of a platform that executes equally on Mac as well as PC. New macs run Windows apps, but I don't think Jobs wants to sell out completely to Windows. OTOH, I remember the NeXt computer. First Jobs said it was the end-all be-all of systems. Then they stopped making hardware, and said NextStep was the end-all be-all of OSes. Then they stopped making NextStep and Jobs ended up back at Apple.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,412 #8 September 7, 2007 Quote Then they stopped making hardware, and said NextStep was the end-all be-all of OSes. Then they stopped making NextStep and Jobs ended up back at Apple. Stopped making NextStep? No. You just know it today by the name "Mac OS X"."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #9 September 8, 2007 QuoteStopped making NextStep? No. You just know it today by the name "Mac OS X".Sly Tru dat. Mach kernal, anyone? Also funny how many macs were made with magnesium casings when Jobs came back - where, oh where did he get that idea?Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #10 September 8, 2007 In 2000, I saw an ad for a PL/I programmer. I was wondering who was using that and replied to it. Turned out to be a Tel Co that had outsourced the billing system to IBM. IBM wrote a lot of it in PL/I. A sweet deal. 3 yr contract. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squirrel 0 #11 September 8, 2007 nobody bellyflies anymore... i mean, that big heavy thing they call RW..its just old and outdated...we all free fly now. ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #12 September 8, 2007 Quote nobody bellyflies anymore... i mean, that big heavy thing they call RW..its just old and outdated...we all free fly now. I swear I've seen FF's going to mock-ups to dirt dive exits... taking grips to build formations in groups of four w/ video and... oh yeah... bigways... hmmmm"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #13 September 8, 2007 Quote I swear I've seen FF's going to mock-ups to dirt dive exits Those are just RW people that are converting to FF. After all, belly flying is just another type of FF, right? A few weeks ago, three of us got together to FF. I have no idea how it happened. There I was, AFFI, lots of tunnel time on belly, trying to remember what it was like to FF when I was young. Next to me a guy that had been to nationals four-way RW twice, borrowed a FF suit from the DZO. Then a guy that I had done several belly jumps with, 4,000 RW jumps, 4-way nationals several times, wearing a very tight RW suit from the 80s (no booties, tiny grippers). We went right to our RW training, and mocked up the exit. The only thing we didn't do was get on creepers Usually, I pick up a FF jump at about 8,000 feet. "Me? I'm solo. Will I do a four way FF with two people I've never met before? Sure, why not . We've got like 2 or 3 minutes on a cramped plane to rehearse it in our heads ... You guys know how to track, right? I don't have a camera - are you sure you want me to still FF with you?"Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #14 September 8, 2007 Quote Turned out to be a Tel Co that had outsourced the billing system to IBM. IBM wrote a lot of it in PL/I. Laugh A sweet deal. 3 yr contract. Smile I keep hoping that I'll find an old Fortune 100 company that has some huge program written in Atari BASIC. That should keep me going after the Java work dries up Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,412 #15 September 8, 2007 Quote The only thing we didn't do was get on creepers Well a "creeper" for a sit-fly dive would just be an office chair with wheels, right?"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,683 #16 September 8, 2007 Quote In 2000, I saw an ad for a PL/I programmer. I was wondering who was using that and replied to it. Turned out to be a Tel Co that had outsourced the billing system to IBM. IBM wrote a lot of it in PL/I. A sweet deal. 3 yr contract. Haven't heard of PL/I for ages. I wrote a lot of PL/I stuff in the early 70s.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
