Porsche calls out Nissan GT-R

[BDashe 0]

rrrrrrrrrruuuhhh-ohhh!

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/09/30/porsche-accuses-nissan-gt-r-of-cheating-the-ring/

anyone make it clicky?

I'm not a fan of the GT-R personally (I drive a Z06 myself, f*ckin rice rockets...) Be interesting if this proves to be true!

Edit: uploaded a few pics, last one is my fav!

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I'd wager a guess that the driver is a much bigger factor here than something like putting on non-stock tires as suggested by the article.

The only "real" test would be to put Sabine Schmitz in both cars and see what she could do.

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[BDashe 0]

25 seconds is a lot though... I would like to see porsche and nissan go head to head on it, inspect each others cars and swap cars/drivers a couple times :-)

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[AggieDave 6]

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I'd wager a guess that the driver is a much bigger factor here than something like putting on non-stock tires as suggested by the article.

To a point, but at that level all of the drivers are very good! The change in tires can and will make a huge difference.

That's like having two top level swoopers, JT and JayMo for instance and one of them "cheats" by having a RDS and the other doesn't. Sure the person makes a big difference, but equipment plays a huge factor.

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[bigway 4]

my brother got a Godzilla a few years ago.
I could not believe that he got his inheritance and went out and paid a hundred grand for a car he was not allowed to first test drive.
When I went back home I was blown away by him watching him take it out on the track with his mates Ferrari (we come froma big Asian community, if youvan imagine fast and the furious but in the suburbs). Cars are everything in our little area.

He sold his last year when he bought my parents house off them. He now drives a Evo. Personally I would love a Evo but I suppose it is a big step down for him.

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[normiss 641]

cricky


also - I noticed the article say Porsche acquire a "US-spec" model, the one in the video is a right-hand drive...and they mention tire swap...the first thing in the video shows someone with an impact wrench workin the wheels...
apples / oranges ?

[Darius11 12]

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/09/30/porsche-accuses-nissan-gt-r-of-cheating-the-ring/


Z06 is a sweet car, would love to own one.

The ZR1 Smoked all their times with an avrage driver.

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To a point, but at that level all of the drivers are very good! The change in tires can and will make a huge difference.

That's like having two top level swoopers, JT and JayMo for instance and one of them "cheats" by having a RDS and the other doesn't. Sure the person makes a big difference, but equipment plays a huge factor.

I disagree. It's more like one factory team claims something and a rival factory team says, "nuh uh." How the heck can you really believe the rival team put in their best effort at duplicating the results?

Again, I say give the cars to Sabine and see what she says.

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[Darius11 12]

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Sabine

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[AggieDave 6]

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Again, I say give the cars to Sabine and see what she says.

I would be more than happy to take both cars and test them to the best of my ability to help level the claims.

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How the heck can you really believe the rival team put in their best effort at duplicating the results?

I was talking about the initial results and the accusation. Tires make a HUGE difference. Now if the Germans drove the rice burner as hard as they could, I don't know, but tires still make a huge difference.

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Sabine

All she needs is a Van and she will own all

The shots of her passing bikes in the Transit are classic!

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sure they would make a huge difference but not that big a difference in this case. Surely not twenty five seconds. It's not like the Godzilla comes out of the factory with your average tyres. I mean the tyres on the Godzilla would be pretty close to being the best road tyres on the market. I can't imagine slicks making a difference of twenty five seconds. Also, were the weather conditions the day Porsche went out exactly the same?

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[AggieDave 6]

I don't know about the weather, but I had thought about that as well.

tires. Spell it right damnit!

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I don't know about the weather, but I had thought about that as well.

tires. Spell it right damnit!

Maybe you are right. He may have been using Tires instead of tyres. That might have affected it by 25 seconds.

Anyway, I thought we were speaking english here.

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[Darius11 12]

Good tiyyyers make a big difference on any course. You have to remember that The Nürburgring ring
Is very long, 12 miles while your regular F1 Track on average is about 2-4 miles long.

I can see 25 sec. Just pro tires alone.

The whole point is to run your car stock every thing, so if they did not run stock but said they did that’s really cheating.
However every test I have seen of the GTR has been with huge positive response. I still wouldn’t want one, but it is very fast.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[bigway 4]

Good point, I forgot how long the road was.

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Good tiyyyers make a big difference on any course. You have to remember that The Nürburgring ring
Is very long, 12 miles while your regular F1 Track on average is about 2-4 miles long.

I can see 25 sec. Just pro tires alone.

The whole point is to run your car stock every thing, so if they did not run stock but said they did that’s really cheating.
However every test I have seen of the GTR has been with huge positive response. I still wouldn’t want one, but it is very fast.

What I don't understand about the whole "tire" claim by Porche is . . . wasn't that supposedly one of the things Nissan did to select the wheel/tire combo that was going to be used anyway? Didn't Nissan make a big deal out of TESTING over 3000 different combinations before settling on the one that was going to be used for production?

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Good tiyyyers make a big difference on any course. You have to remember that The Nürburgring ring
Is very long, 12 miles while your regular F1 Track on average is about 2-4 miles long.

I can see 25 sec. Just pro tires alone.

The whole point is to run your car stock every thing, so if they did not run stock but said they did that’s really cheating.
However every test I have seen of the GTR has been with huge positive response. I still wouldn’t want one, but it is very fast.

Agreed on all fronts! especially the not owning one part Tires on long tracks make massive differences. just in the nascar races going in a d*mn oval worn slicks vs new ones can make a 3-5 second difference. street vs. slicks is a big big difference, especially when maxing the ride out.

If you look at the GT-R times, the thing absolutely dies over 90 mph. I'll take my big boy torque any day to keep the power coming all the way up. No replacement for displacement!!! (Thanks for that gem MX)

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[AggieDave 6]

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Didn't Nissan make a big deal out of TESTING over 3000 different combinations before settling on the one that was going to be used for production?

What conditions was the testing for? For a wet track, for a dry track, what kind of track, a streetable track tire or a trackable street tire?

There are many different variables!

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[Darius11 12]

Yes the GTR has been in the making for 10 years. When they first announced the time the tiers were questioned but there was no answer provided by reliable source just petrol heads.
I honestly don’t know what to think. It might be a combination of things, and not just the tiers alone. Something as simple as higher then standard boost will produce a lot more horses.
Or as simple as the Porsche drivers not doing a good job.

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[Broke 0]

Changing tires is a huge factor. For instance in the SCCA solo rules for stock class you can run R compound tires which would give you more of an advantage than anything you could put on your car that would bump you into STS or a different class

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What I don't understand about the whole "tire" claim by Porche is . . . wasn't that supposedly one of the things Nissan did to select the wheel/tire combo that was going to be used anyway? Didn't Nissan make a big deal out of TESTING over 3000 different combinations before settling on the one that was going to be used for production?

Production for a road going car, right?

There's going to be a massive, massive difference between a road legal tyre that has to withstand being driven day in and day out on all surfaces and conditions and a super soft racing slick that only needs to last one lap of the 'ring.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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put Sabine Schmitz in both cars and see what she could do.

agreed

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