phoenixlpr 0 #76 May 5, 2010 QuoteI strongly disagree with this sentiment and feel that this sends the wrong message to student and novice skydivers. What wrong message? Supervise yourself Check your gear before you get it on Behave if you have gear on Stay calm and move as less as needed on the plane Do a quick check before exit Ask help if needed Keep on eye on other's gear Use common sense Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #77 May 5, 2010 Quote Quote I strongly disagree with this sentiment and feel that this sends the wrong message to student and novice skydivers. What wrong message? Supervise yourself Check your gear before you get it on Behave if you have gear on Stay calm and move as less as needed on the plane Do a quick check before exit Ask help if needed Keep on eye on other's gear Use common sense Yeah right Problem is that ain't so common any more (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #78 May 5, 2010 Quote Quote Quote I strongly disagree with this sentiment and feel that this sends the wrong message to student and novice skydivers. What wrong message? Supervise yourself Check your gear before you get it on Behave if you have gear on Stay calm and move as less as needed on the plane Do a quick check before exit Ask help if needed Keep on eye on other's gear Use common sense Yeah right Problem is that ain't so common any more thank god someone speaks up and does in fact send a strong message! "why should i check my own gear, it's getting packed by a packer and i can ASK FOR A PIN-CHECK EVERYTIME! duh!" [/homer voice off]“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #79 May 5, 2010 Quotethank god someone speaks up and does in fact send a strong message! "why should i check my own gear, it's getting packed by a packer and i can ASK FOR A PIN-CHECK EVERYTIME! duh!" I do pack for others and I always leave the pin flap open to give them a chance to check their pin and PC before they put the gear on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #80 May 5, 2010 QuoteQuotethank god someone speaks up and does in fact send a strong message! "why should i check my own gear, it's getting packed by a packer and i can ASK FOR A PIN-CHECK EVERYTIME! duh!" I do pack for others and I always leave the pin flap open to give them a chance to check their pin and PC before they put the gear on. isnt that a standard procedure anyway!?“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #81 May 5, 2010 No! Leaving pin covers open is a bad habit. However, at Pitt Meadows, packers are told to leave the mid-flap - on Strong Tandems - loose, because it is the TI's responsibility to inspect the drogue riser and close the mid-flap. This also gives us a way to confirm that the TI has done a thorough gear check. If we see a TI walking to the airplane with a loose mid-flap, we gently offer to "tuck it in for him." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #82 May 5, 2010 i meant doing a pin-check of your own before you put your rig on; after you checked about three times that the PC was still cocked while you packed, that your reserve-pin was still in place and the cable was running, the 3-ring was alright and the PC was where it belongs!? THAT's a standard procedure to me..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #83 May 5, 2010 Agreed! That is what I teach all my freefall students ... and I lead by example. I usually look over their shoulders when they check their gear ... before donning. I casually glance over their equipment - as we walk out of the hangar - to ensure that they brought enough goggles, altimeters, etc. I always give them a formal jump-master check before we board the plane. Finally, they get a quick pin check a minute or two before the door opens. When doing tandems, I always thoroughly inspect my gear before putting it on, but rarely ask for a gear check before boarding. I casually glance over student gear as we walk towards the airplane. At boarding time, I am usually too busy taking one more look over student harnesses. And I rarely ask for a tandem pin check in the plane. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fcajump 153 #84 May 7, 2010 I look at it this way... You can always do it best yourself, because you are most familiar with your own equipment. I never turn it down, neither giving nor receiving. Its best to know the skill level of your partner so that you can adjust to any deficiencies. If you're not sure what your looking at, that's a learning opportunity. ASK before you touch someone else's equipment. If your partner is a novice, go slow and teach them what they should be doing. If your equipment is very unusual, find someone with experience and who is comfortable with learning new things.If you have a regular partner, you should lean as much about how to handle their equipment as possible. ummm... what were we talking about again...?? JW Always remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brettski74 0 #85 May 10, 2010 Quote"why should i check my own gear, it's getting packed by a packer and i can ASK FOR A PIN-CHECK EVERYTIME! duh!" Who said that? This would be just as ignorant an attitude to take as your suggestion that there's something wrong with asking for a pin check. Quotefair enough - but asking for a "pin-check"!? i would of asked or talked to a fellow skydiver when i would of seen something "wrong"; but asking!? This is the bit I'm concerned about. There is nothing wrong with asking for a pin check. You would be right in that you should know your own gear and you should check your gear thoroughly every time before you gear up for a load, but to suggest that there's something wrong with asking for a pin check or that asking for one imply's that you don't know your gear is just silly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #86 May 10, 2010 just saying.. if you ask for a pin-check at my dz, people will give you looks.. if you're a (good) SKYDIVER, u will have done so before.. check your stuff before you put it on, everyone else is doing so; if you dont, well.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #87 May 10, 2010 Come on Dude! You know very well this is crap advice so stop giving it! You also know the Pin check in the Plane is because of jumper movement, all the rebels who are too cool can give all the looks they want, but in the end Pin Checks have worked and caught potentially deadly issues before they had a chance to be so! MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fcajump 153 #88 May 10, 2010 Quote just saying.. if you ask for a pin-check at my dz, people will give you looks.. if you're a (good) SKYDIVER, u will have done so before.. To me, thats a DZ environment where you could do some good by leading a movement to a safer environment... I'm good, I've jumped 20 years, I'm a Master Rigger with 10 years of rigging and I pin check my gear before putting it on... and I'll take a second set of eyes to look and question it anytime. "If change is inevitable, predictable, beneficial, doesn't logic demand that you be a part of it? One man cannot summon the future. But one man can change the present."JWAlways remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bluetwo 0 #89 July 11, 2010 My attitude is: I'm new so check me all you want. If you talk me through it every time I am only going to get more out of it, more of it committed to memory - faster. It seems like the goal should be a balance of fun and precautions._______________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
