freedom1 0 #1 February 21, 2005 Attached is a picture of my upper control line at the cascade; Just wondering if this is jumpabale or would you recommend replacement. thanx in advance for the input CHEERS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #2 February 21, 2005 You have velcro toggles, don't you? It's really hard to tell from the pic, but with that much fraying, I'd be awfully concerned. The best thing you can do is leave it unpacked and show it to your rigger the next time you're at the DZ. Replacing a couple of brake lines is pretty easy and cheap.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freedom1 0 #3 February 21, 2005 Thanx a bunch I will. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #4 February 21, 2005 SHOW YOUR RIGGER FOR THE BEST ADVISE Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 3 #5 February 21, 2005 QuoteJust wondering if this is jumpabale No! SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sid 1 #6 February 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteJust wondering if this is jumpabale No! Sparky C'mon now Sparky - of course it's jumpable at least oncePete Draper, Just because my life plan is written on the back of a Hooter's Napkin, it's still a life plan.... right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites darkwing 4 #7 February 21, 2005 Not sure if it is jumpable, but I am sure it is out of focus. See your rigger. If he can't focus on it, then you have a problem with the space-time continuum, and skydiving is the least of your problems. I am a physicist, and it might be that you have a black hole nearby. -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 3 #8 February 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteJust wondering if this is jumpabale No! Sparky C'mon now Sparky - of course it's jumpable at least once You are right, all things are jumpable. Its the landings that can sometimes get messy. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cvfd1399 0 #9 February 21, 2005 Are you all polished up on rear riser landings? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tink1717 2 #10 February 21, 2005 Have this replaced before your next jump. Also, get rid of the velcro if you can.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites darkwing 4 #11 February 21, 2005 QuoteHave this replaced before your next jump. Also, get rid of the velcro if you can. This is the junction at the upper control lines. Velcro isn't likely an issue here. -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KevinMcGuire 0 #12 February 21, 2005 You will definitely want to change out that brake line before the next jump. Here are a some possible causes of the damage. 1) It may be caused by the toggle as it has been repeatedly extracted form the "cats eye". Take a look into getting better toggles if your present set appears rough where the brake line would sit while stowed. With out actually seeing the the line, I would say this is the most likely explanation. 2) The Guide ring may be rusted or other wise damaged in some way that would cause abrasion to the line. chances of this are slim as guide rings don't usually get smacked around much 3) Your canopy may have a tendency to open hard or asymmetrically, and thus it may be placing an unequal amount of load on that side of the canopy during deployment Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 561 #13 February 21, 2005 How many jumps on that line-set? You are definitely due for new brake lines. I also suspect that all the rest of your lines are tired. Ask your local rigger to inspect all of your lines, especially measuring the difference across the A lines. When the difference across the A lines gets close to 3 inches, you are close to needing a new line set. Like another poster said: only jump this canopy if you are current on rear riser landings. Hee! Hee! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tink1717 2 #14 February 21, 2005 I knew that. I only said that because velcro is a bad idea anywhere on a rig.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hooknswoop 19 #15 February 21, 2005 I think the damage is where the line cascades into the upper control lines, not at the cat's eye for setting the brakes. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KevinMcGuire 0 #16 February 21, 2005 You may be right. The picture is quite fuzzy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sid 1 #17 February 21, 2005 Am I the only one that noticed the irony in the misspelling of "Brake" line Pete Draper, Just because my life plan is written on the back of a Hooter's Napkin, it's still a life plan.... right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jceman 1 #18 February 21, 2005 QuoteAm I the only one that noticed the irony in the misspelling of "Brake" line Nope. Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money. Why do they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sid 1 #19 February 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteAm I the only one that noticed the irony in the misspelling of "Brake" line Nope. smartass Pete Draper, Just because my life plan is written on the back of a Hooter's Napkin, it's still a life plan.... right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crwpj 0 #20 February 21, 2005 QuoteI knew that. I only said that because velcro is a bad idea anywhere on a rig. i find it kinda handy for keeping my cutaway handle in place. p.j. pulling is cool. keep it in the skin. options: it does a body good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beezyshaw 0 #21 February 21, 2005 QuoteI knew that. I only said that because velcro is a bad idea anywhere on a rig. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i find it kinda handy for keeping my cutaway handle in place. And velcro really isn't bad at all for many uses on a rig. As a matter of fact, velcro toggles are probably less likely to have premature brake release than typical velcro-less toggles are. It isn't the velcro that is the problem, it is that jumpers typically don't immediately mate their toggles to the risers as soon as they land, allowing the lines to contact to hook velcro. I know of several jumpers who have gone back to velcro toggles to eliminate the problem of brake release on opening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KevinMcGuire 0 #22 February 21, 2005 Got velcor on mine. I find it faster/easier to get the toggles in place correctly with velcro than elastic or T-3. I don't really care if my lines get fuzzy. I've got the machines to deal with it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 3 #23 February 21, 2005 QuoteAm I the only one that noticed the irony in the misspelling of "Brake" line Cars have "brake lines". Canopies have upper and lower control lines. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sid 1 #24 February 22, 2005 QuoteQuoteAm I the only one that noticed the irony in the misspelling of "Brake" line Cars have "brake lines". Canopies have upper and lower control lines. Sparky Shit! Damn!!!!!! Got me Pete Draper, Just because my life plan is written on the back of a Hooter's Napkin, it's still a life plan.... right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 3 #25 February 22, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteAm I the only one that noticed the irony in the misspelling of "Brake" line Cars have "brake lines". Canopies have upper and lower control lines. Sparky Shit! Damn!!!!!! Got me My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
bodypilot1 0 #4 February 21, 2005 SHOW YOUR RIGGER FOR THE BEST ADVISE Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #5 February 21, 2005 QuoteJust wondering if this is jumpabale No! SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sid 1 #6 February 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteJust wondering if this is jumpabale No! Sparky C'mon now Sparky - of course it's jumpable at least oncePete Draper, Just because my life plan is written on the back of a Hooter's Napkin, it's still a life plan.... right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkwing 4 #7 February 21, 2005 Not sure if it is jumpable, but I am sure it is out of focus. See your rigger. If he can't focus on it, then you have a problem with the space-time continuum, and skydiving is the least of your problems. I am a physicist, and it might be that you have a black hole nearby. -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #8 February 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteJust wondering if this is jumpabale No! Sparky C'mon now Sparky - of course it's jumpable at least once You are right, all things are jumpable. Its the landings that can sometimes get messy. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #9 February 21, 2005 Are you all polished up on rear riser landings? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #10 February 21, 2005 Have this replaced before your next jump. Also, get rid of the velcro if you can.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkwing 4 #11 February 21, 2005 QuoteHave this replaced before your next jump. Also, get rid of the velcro if you can. This is the junction at the upper control lines. Velcro isn't likely an issue here. -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinMcGuire 0 #12 February 21, 2005 You will definitely want to change out that brake line before the next jump. Here are a some possible causes of the damage. 1) It may be caused by the toggle as it has been repeatedly extracted form the "cats eye". Take a look into getting better toggles if your present set appears rough where the brake line would sit while stowed. With out actually seeing the the line, I would say this is the most likely explanation. 2) The Guide ring may be rusted or other wise damaged in some way that would cause abrasion to the line. chances of this are slim as guide rings don't usually get smacked around much 3) Your canopy may have a tendency to open hard or asymmetrically, and thus it may be placing an unequal amount of load on that side of the canopy during deployment Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 561 #13 February 21, 2005 How many jumps on that line-set? You are definitely due for new brake lines. I also suspect that all the rest of your lines are tired. Ask your local rigger to inspect all of your lines, especially measuring the difference across the A lines. When the difference across the A lines gets close to 3 inches, you are close to needing a new line set. Like another poster said: only jump this canopy if you are current on rear riser landings. Hee! Hee! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #14 February 21, 2005 I knew that. I only said that because velcro is a bad idea anywhere on a rig.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #15 February 21, 2005 I think the damage is where the line cascades into the upper control lines, not at the cat's eye for setting the brakes. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinMcGuire 0 #16 February 21, 2005 You may be right. The picture is quite fuzzy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sid 1 #17 February 21, 2005 Am I the only one that noticed the irony in the misspelling of "Brake" line Pete Draper, Just because my life plan is written on the back of a Hooter's Napkin, it's still a life plan.... right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jceman 1 #18 February 21, 2005 QuoteAm I the only one that noticed the irony in the misspelling of "Brake" line Nope. Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money. Why do they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sid 1 #19 February 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteAm I the only one that noticed the irony in the misspelling of "Brake" line Nope. smartass Pete Draper, Just because my life plan is written on the back of a Hooter's Napkin, it's still a life plan.... right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwpj 0 #20 February 21, 2005 QuoteI knew that. I only said that because velcro is a bad idea anywhere on a rig. i find it kinda handy for keeping my cutaway handle in place. p.j. pulling is cool. keep it in the skin. options: it does a body good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beezyshaw 0 #21 February 21, 2005 QuoteI knew that. I only said that because velcro is a bad idea anywhere on a rig. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i find it kinda handy for keeping my cutaway handle in place. And velcro really isn't bad at all for many uses on a rig. As a matter of fact, velcro toggles are probably less likely to have premature brake release than typical velcro-less toggles are. It isn't the velcro that is the problem, it is that jumpers typically don't immediately mate their toggles to the risers as soon as they land, allowing the lines to contact to hook velcro. I know of several jumpers who have gone back to velcro toggles to eliminate the problem of brake release on opening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinMcGuire 0 #22 February 21, 2005 Got velcor on mine. I find it faster/easier to get the toggles in place correctly with velcro than elastic or T-3. I don't really care if my lines get fuzzy. I've got the machines to deal with it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #23 February 21, 2005 QuoteAm I the only one that noticed the irony in the misspelling of "Brake" line Cars have "brake lines". Canopies have upper and lower control lines. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sid 1 #24 February 22, 2005 QuoteQuoteAm I the only one that noticed the irony in the misspelling of "Brake" line Cars have "brake lines". Canopies have upper and lower control lines. Sparky Shit! Damn!!!!!! Got me Pete Draper, Just because my life plan is written on the back of a Hooter's Napkin, it's still a life plan.... right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #25 February 22, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteAm I the only one that noticed the irony in the misspelling of "Brake" line Cars have "brake lines". Canopies have upper and lower control lines. Sparky Shit! Damn!!!!!! Got me My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
