BobKnoss

I was thinking a review of this might be instructive I have a dog. That is a fact. Her name is Wavy Blue. That's a fact. Jo won't like that at all. Is that fact or opinion? I knew Dan Cooper. That is a fact. He said his real name was Duane Weber. That's a fact. I also have a number of witnesses. You may call that an opinion, Jo will call it a lie, Amazon thinks it's an illness and O'Hara thinks it is the delusions of a drunk. My goodness this gets confusing. At least there are four of us who can agree on this among ourselves. The rest of you are left to your druthers. At least you heard the truth, you don't have to buy it. It was offered as a public service, no charge. Opinions are like bellybuttons, everybody has one. Facts are in the eye of the beholder, a twinkle in one is a log in another.

NO COMMENT UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE! More sour apples from an envious poster. I really liked your detailed analysis of the fake evidence. You have potential. Your interviewing technique could stand a little polishing. That's a pun in reference to the apple, so I can tease. Have you checked out the alleged history of your alleged fake evidence yet? What was the address of the distributor in Utah for your clasp? Close to McCoy's Utah address, huh? I don't know this, I was just told it by McCoy himself. I expect you will find it true, if you look. But you won't. Strange how an agenda changes the results of an alleged investigation, isn't it? Preconceived conclusions often overlook the truth of the matter. The brother-in-law's missing tie clasp has been discussed at length. It is identical to the FBI clasp because it is the SAME clasp. (alleged by McCoy ) How do you like THEM alleged apples? “My uncle ordered popovers from the restaurant's bill of fare. And, when they were served, he regarded them with a penetrating stare. Then he spoke great words of wisdom as he sat there on that chair: "To eat these things," said my uncle, "You must exercise great care. You may swallow down what's solid, but you must spit out the air!" And as you partake of the world's bill of fare, that's darned good advice to follow. Do a lot of spitting out the hot air. And be careful what you swallow.” ― Dr. Seuss

Cooper cover-up crew back in action. All the big guns pulled out in force. Jerry, Matt, Bleep, Honey Badger, all the "bury Cooper" gang. "I get no respect...." Rodney Dangerfield. "There you go again?... Ronald Reagan. "I regret that I have but one life to give for my Country!" .....Patrick Henry. "The reports of my death are greatly exagerated." ....Mark Twain. "There is one born every minute." PT Barnum. "I taught I taw a puty tat." Tweety Bird. "You can fool all of the people some of the time, some of the people all the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time." ....Abe Lincoln. "I have been told my days are numbered...." Martin Luther King. “My alphabet starts with this letter called yuzz. It's the letter I use to spell yuzz a ma tuzz. You'll be sort of surprised what there is to be found once you go beyond 'Z' and start poking around. ”...... Dr. Seuss.

My intention to is to learn the TRUTH and see the "Cooper Case" closed properly. If that is not your intention maybe you should stop misdirecting, if it is your intention post the single suit you mention, not the numerous ones out there, the single one you think I should read, you made the mention, not me. And yes, we all just saw you add more embellishment to your story. Matt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistleblower For your education and use for your protection, now there is no need to stay hidden and out of the spot light. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/331922/HIJACKERS-WIDOW-TO-GAIN-120000.html I am not a prosecuiter and I do not wish to try this case. My intention is to offer truth in facts as a whistleblower for you to look at and investigate. I wish to make no claims of guilt and believe the original intent to be innocent. I proffer this information as fact to be proven. I will also tell you that the ones who know what I say is correct will protect themselves with established falsehoods such as told by a recent interviewee. He is protecting the identity of undercover agents. There are dozens of these situations with dozens of involved people from the top to me at the bottom. I won't do it. I'm hoping there are others. And, YES, I am telling details I have not given you before. Not intended as embellishment, just additional explanatory information. I can add an awful lot more, but it would be too much to swallow. We may be there already. If you are a good soldier, I'd suggest you won't upset the Pentagon's apple cart, so I have no confidence in your claim. Official Positions Only. Prove me wrong. Document the tie clasp. Verify McCoy with Tenet or the Pentagon or Brit Hume. Verify Janet. Verify Cook's witnesses. Verify the flight path shift like Robert99 tried. Investigate the transcripts of Nixon's panel on air piracy. Lokk at the facts I present in logical sequential order. It all fits together like a really neat jigsaw puzzle. Just facts, no maybe Bernie and Kenny. Confirmed in part by Skyjack71. And 'Jerry' knows, too.

"Post a link to the law suit you mentioned please." It is basic knowledge. Can't you even find that? Google it yourself! Her name was Karen McCoy at that time. It is a well documented action. What makes you think I want to do you any favors after you betray a confidence and twist it into a falsehood? I am very wary of your intentions.

"What BK did with the Grandchildren of McCoy - was more than I could handle. If I had been FBI or law enforcement he would have been in jail on that one." I checked that out first. It was not any relation, it was a phony poster! Again, you do another Rosanna thing.

A summary of my recollections on that pearl tie clasp as near as I can recall would be the following: Mcoy asked me if I had any old tie clasps. I said I had a gold chain one, but he wanted a pearl one, and was particular about what he wanted. He was searching for something specific. McCoy bought one (or maybe even two) from a neighbor jewelry wholesaler and gave one to his brother-in-law (who he did not particularly like) for Christmas. Mac said he then stole it back and gave it to O'Hara who reportedly exchanged it for Mac's Brigham Young Gold Medallion that was in the FBI evidence box for the Cooper case, the one found on the plane in Reno. I heard Duane Weber tell the trainer that he had stolen Mac's medallion with his initials on the back, off McCoy's dresser and planned to drop it on the plane to incriminate McCoy. The trainer said, "OK." That conversation continued on. If you want to date the pearl tie clasp, you should ask this brother-in-law what year it was that he got it for Christmas. There is written comment on the subject. You can call this an opinion so we don't "liable" anyone, but it is what I remember of this pearl clasp. The Book "The Real McCoy" describes the Medallion and does not mention the pearl thingie. These were FBI agents who were there. Firsthand information, guys. That is what you want, right? The pearl tie clasp was planted evidence to replace planted evidence, just like the majority of the phony evidence in this case. Phony pictures, phony physical evidence, phony flight path, phony hijacking, phony death, phony Vietnam records, phony dummy chute, phony bomb, phony investigation, phony conclusions, and phony "sleuths." Welcome back, Jerry, but I believe you are wrong about Jo Weber. Balance deleted.

Didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I know you disagree. Look at from my perspective with a momentary assumption that I really am telling the truth. If you still feel the same way, I understand totally. There is a political bandwagon with all you good 'o boys on it. I'm an old guy with new generation perspectives and old fashioned morals. I was taught NOT to deceive. And I will NOT. I will NOT participate in another whitewash.

I respectfully take exception to most of your claims. You are assuming incorrectly. You told me the color thing on the telephone when you called me over 30 times. I called you twice. Often I didn't even pick up. You misinterpret most every post I make, from Janet's address change to the junk in this last post. You need to read slower or read it several times, because what you read is not what is on the printed page. "Roseanne Roseannadanna." End of subject.

So, what does that tell you? Keep it cool and nobody has to "harass" anybody. As for you "correcting" anyone, you'd only be doing that if you had proof. Otherwise you're simply stating opinion. You may consider that the case in other people's posting as well, but unless you have facts to back up claims, don't pretend one story here is more accurate than another one. We are on the same page. I contend that what I say is as credible than the secondhand "death bed" statements. I contend that both Duane Weber's statements and my statements in part, often have the same first hand relationship, not secondhand information. If he were still alive what he would say and what I would say would be of equal weight in some cases. You all seem to ignore this fact. Much of what I write is secondhand, granted, but that is of equal weight to the best information of what is presented by Skyjack 71, which is also secondhand. Let me add here that I totally believe what Jo says as first or secondhand information, with a few exceptions, like the red and white chute episode. (dealing with a poor memory and comprehension levels) It is true and correct to the best of my knowledge and is consistent with what I know about the case. It just is not the whole story as I experienced it. The difference is believability. My story is admittedly more unbelievable, but not less credible. We both believe strongly in what we say, but we both can not always be correct, and in some cases, neither of us might be correct. I consider being called a liar, liabler, insane, and all the other attacks like posting forged posts of false information, hometown letters to the editor, placing me on call lists, questioning my wife, accusing me of drug addiction, mass eviction efforts, talking to my doctor, attorney, etc., as harassment beyond the norm of forum decor. Harassment is the correct term. Am I wrong in this understanding?

No, the picture is from the book that McCoy's wife won the law suit against. You know, the FBI agents?? The ones that were first hand on the case?? The ones that told the truth?? Mostly. Look at the "Official" picture that does not match Henry Selick, who does not match Richard McCoy who does match credits photo in "Rocky V" of McCoy released in 1995. ASK the FBI agents who published the dead faker. Obviously O'Hara doesn't remember anymore. Oh, I think it was Mrs. McCoy who told him about Walker's plans. But that's a secret. Have to keep secrets, right? WHY? Because Mrs. McCoy was his hijacking partner in crime? Phooey! He was O'Hara's partner, I'd say, based on the reports I got from McCoy. I'm pleased that you can swallow a decision with your limited knowledge of the case. That is the opinion the FBI/FAA is hoping to impose on everyone. join the flocking minority. You are a true success story! I'm addressing the majority that doesn't accept the government cover-up stories. I have it first hand, no guessing. You have no interest in what happened, only what you are told to think. Army guy. Sir, Yes Sir! Semper Fi! Right?

That is what Larry Carr said to me in a 45 minute conversation on the telephone, YES! I have NO doubt he will confirm it. Hopefully it is even recorded. I only tell the truth here, so check anything you wish. It is all true. Please quit these attacks. I only attempt to expose the truth in hopes of having the case dismissed. This was a Union demonstration plan that was not executed for the purpose intended, but a Presidential ploy to help enact unpopular legislation. Dig up Nixon and ask him. I see no criminals here for the Cooper Case. But Blevins should be arrested for impurthunating an authorfur. The truth must be a very bitter pill, or the need for re-writing history with fairytales so strong that this furvor continues. If you really want to know what happened, follow up on what I claim. I am restricted in telling the whole story because the real guys have rights. One has authorized me to tell his story, because he is "dead" anyway. In triplicate as Matt says. I will not be deterred from telling what I can, but I want to respect everyone's wishes as much as possible too. If it were you who experienced what I claim, how would you do it differently? How is listening to a confession from your husband any more credible than actually living the same experience? The difference is point of view. Both believe, but one is a story the other is fact. When I tell what I know it becomes the story value same as what Duane told. I see no difference at all. When I tell what McCoy and others uttered, it has more credibility because it was my job to remember, and I made notes while it was fresh. McCoy said to go ahead, and I will do that as I am told. And, no, I do not get messages from the neighbor's barking dog, my dad, Sam. His English is too broken for me. What Mac told me about the above dead fake picture is that they went down to the morgue and got a "John Doe" corpse and O'Hara shot it in the chest with a shotgun. They doctored the body and attempted to make it look like Mac. Anyone with eyesight can see it is not McCoy or Henry Selick, either one. I am especially clear on this matter, having continued conversations with the dead McCoy for decades after this pictured dude was departed.

I take exception to the facts claimed in this interview. My personal experiences are diabolically opposed to the information presented. Dead men can't talk. I agree, dead men can't talk. The report does show it relates to a dead man, who is not talking. Matt I take exception to the supposition claimed in your post. That is fine, McCoy is dead, the Agent who shot him is actually on record for that fact, there is a coroners report, paperwork in triplicate etc. These items are actual evidence. Now the claim McCoy was also DB Cooper should be re-looked and either confirmed or proven wrong. Once that plays out, we move on to other viable suspects, if needed. Simple process using evidence and modern investigative techniques. Matt See the proof below. This is not McCoy.

Operative word being "false". Prove what I say is false.

I take exception to the facts claimed in this interview. My personal experiences are diabolically opposed to the information presented. Dead men can't talk. I agree, dead men can't talk. The report does show it relates to a dead man, who is not talking. Matt I take exception to the supposition claimed in your post. That is fine, McCoy is dead, the Agent who shot him is actually on record for that fact, there is a coroners report, paperwork in triplicate etc. These items are actual evidence. Now the claim McCoy was also DB Cooper should be re-looked and either confirmed or proven wrong. Once that plays out, we move on to other viable suspects, if needed. Simple process using evidence and modern investigative techniques. Matt Simple cover-up procedures. Ignore Tenet. Does not change reality, only the records, which are just more paperwork. Mac is 69. Cooper would be approaching 90. Now enter Matt's time machine..... plastic surgery, mass amnesia, and national distribution of stupid pills......

I take exception to the facts claimed in this interview. My personal experiences are diabolically opposed to the information presented. Dead men can't talk. I agree, dead men can't talk. The report does show it relates to a dead man, who is not talking. Matt I take exception to the supposition claimed in your post.

"nothing better than.......REFLECTING " Yes, I remember how you twisted facts to make me mad. It has nothing to do with investigating related Cooper information, only your attempts to incite conflict. I suggest that your input is not constructive, never has been, and probably never will be. What you are doing is counter-productive and falls into a class of harassment. What is your purpose now? Same as before? You keep repeating misinformation like a recording machine. For what purpose? Does not make it true, Army guy. Tell me, what might be the duties of a Warrant Officer with the rank of Sergeant, from the Pentagon assigned to the Office of Special Services? Why might the Pentagon award Vietnam medals to a Mormon who never went to Vietnam? What is the significance of sergeant stripes tatooed on the underside of one's upper arm? What are Dog Boys? Is a soldier in Army boots and civies still official? Does a good soldier follow orders to commit a crime? If the President sanctions a crime, is it legal? Is the person committing the crime excused? Should we arrest the criminal and not the President? Why? If this was an approved exercise for safety, how could it be a crime? If the insurance company donated the money was any money stolen, or was it just lost? Why did the criminal go to work for the insurance company? What was the end result of the operation? How does it fit with politics at the time? What were the international sequences of law in air piracy and how do they fit time wise with this operation? Why is this operation called a "Project?" Is "Norjak" a typical military type title for an operation? Why would that name be used for a petty criminal with a bomb? Why are all the primaries pilots? Who was Bernie Haapala? What did he do in the FAA? Who dreamed up the Cooper Vane? How many times was it presented for installation? Which airlines approved the magnotometers for installation in all airports? Who was in favor of luggage inspection? What was going on with the Pilot's Unions demands for pilot safety? Who were the leaders? What did they do? What was the international pilot reaction? What did they do? When did all this happen? Who was on the President's committee for air piracy? Who went to Montreal to the convention? What was the sequence of events and how did it relate to the President's actions? How did baggage and passenger inspection get into law? How did McCoy get rehired after his death as verified by George Tenant, CIA? I have 300 more questions you could work on rather than badger me.

I take exception to the facts claimed in this interview. My personal experiences are diabolically opposed to the information presented. Dead men can't talk.

I was not assigned to O'Hara. I was assigned to McCoy by Commander Anderson, not by O'Hara. I can refresh Mr. O'Hara's memory if he wishes. He will not take me up on that, guaranteed! I'd love to have him stop over and discuss it privately. He is a busy man, but this might be a great solution to this situation. At least I might get some straight answers. He has always refused to discuss it with me in the past. Said he does not work for those guys anymore, call them and talk to them. Please ask him to visit me. He will not take my calls as he knows who I am, Mr. Badgerman.

I seek only to correct facts I know to be in error. I try to emphasize those things I have been told were true by the people who did it. I an not "slandering" anybody. There are different opinions than yours which I have good reason to believe. I am going by general information, confidential conversation, press releases, public opinions, and common suppositions in all those references. I'm sorry you choose not to consider the possibilities. Your loss. I have given ample reference. The things I am pushing are different than the accepted facts. They are what reportedly happened, not what is currently assumed. What you believe, is your business. I have supporting information which I continue to offer assistance in researching. All anybody wants to do is micro-analyze what I consider to be phony evidence. I do not know "Janet". What I stated about her is from written reports. It is quite different in the case of Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr., Dan Cooper (AKA Duane Weber) and others. I have many, many hours spent with them, face to face. That is fact. The people who count, know, and that is good enough for me. I know, and for me, that's all it takes. I KNOW WHO DAN COOPER WAS because he told me his real name in front of a living witness. I have made a sworn affitdavit and it has been notorized. It was sworn in front of an acting judge on the second highest court in Minnesota. That is a done deal. Please let's be cordial. Polite is good. Stop with the name calling and accusations. Please. I promise will try to be more controlled on how I state things, but please understand EVERYTHING on this forum is OPINION and NOTHING has been PROVEN (including your claimed husband's statements). It is ALL SPECULATION without confirming confessions. Larry Carr said the FBI can NOT try the case with extensive tampering and government involvement. Himmelsbach said he was quite sure nobody would be arrested while he was still alive. It is NOT a high priority case. They would love to be rid of it. "most of us have REALLY investigated the subject and refrain from incriminating and making statements not derived at from 1st hand knowledge or well researched information." One of us was actually part of the training program, Jo. Is that 1st hand enough? Well researched, like asking the guys myself?? Do you think you should research yourself?? I don't think I need to research myself either. I really think I can remember without having to ask myself questions. You just don't get it at all.

Every now and then, a gem. Thanks, Bob. Mark More important than it seems, Mark. The key to the case is in disemination, not insemination. If you can't distinguish fresh oats from used oats, you could get a plateful of some very bad stuff. The problem as I see it is the peddlers have never tried the farmer's grain storage bin. No investigation of why McCoy's medallion, no investigation of Janet, no serious study of the flight path, no transfer of information, counter intel always given on anything pertinent, the fake pearl clip, false wind reports, false weather reports, false army service records, deleted photos, actor stand-ins, altered transcripts and records, worse than Area 51 for getting real information. If you can't identify the good oats, you are going to be munching the used stuff that's already been through the horse once. That is what those sentences mean. Good oats don't smell like a wet dog. This case does.

"I will note I had no knowledge of actual lay-outs of the area regarding the projected flight path. Why I was so upset about the map you guys used and claim the plane went over Tena's Bar. IT did NOT! His conversation DID not take that fight over Tena's bar, but to the EAST and the Vancouver area." That is what the current record is, Jo, but what was discussed in Ralph's, den at his retirement party was a correction in flight path information by the co-pilot to a shift in the flight plot to "15 to 20 miles West" of what was on record. This is in harmony with Janet's actual report. Her address was changed for her protection. It is consistent with McCoy's admission to having called upon and threatened Janet. AND it is consistent with Galen Cook's position that the flight was actually "35 miles" West of the recorded flight path. You know without question that the FAA and FBI were conspirators, based upon your own statements. It takes no PHD to see the falsifications of information regarding flight information alterations, deletions, and re-writes. Facts do not lie, people do. People changed facts at every turn in this case. There is as much phony information as there is truth. You choose to believe too much phony stuff. Like this flight path baloney. I don't KNOW where the real flight path was, but I know what I was briefed by the people who did it. I did not get the misinformation, I got the real skinny. Like O'Hara, I promised to keep this a secret, but I discovered that what they did to me was not legal, and I decided to blow a whistle on it. So I am. My whole story is factual, truthful, from the actual happenings and can be confirmed by people who will not confirm anything because they have more honor than I do. I did not volunteer, I was forced against my will. Coersed. The only basis for your version of things is Duane's conversation. The rest is very. very questionable. You insist on facts I know to be falsifications, but claim to be the key to the case. Stick to what you got from Duane. That is correct. Don't cover for other participants or guess at facts. Everything was planned in reverse thinking so the obvious is always wrong. There is no logic, only distraction. There was no pearl tie clasp at Reno, only a medallion. There was no bomb, only wire and red sticks or flares. There was no dummy chute, only HIS own chute. There was no guess at a jump location, it was "HIS" location. And that's the real truth of the matter.

"Was this the Co-pilot's first flight in the WA/OR area? I could swear I read or heard this during the 17 yrs I have been at this. I cannot say the co-pilot made this claim because I do NOT remember the source and it could be a rumor or hear-say." No. I believe there were practice runs as early as 1968. Very easy to get a holiday flight as the jobs were posted and pilots could sign up for specific flights ahead of time. You might even find records of how many times this was done. Yes, He's baaaa-ck! Nice to see some pertinent discussion instead of continual Knoss harassment.

"Would one of you computer savy searchers find where I stated the chute was red and white? I am going to start searching my early communications with Knoss - but, RED and WHT didn't happen." Yes, it did, absolutely, in one of your many phone calls to me. Red and white, you said. I disagreed. You insisted. Red and white. Well, surprise, there was a red and white chute that was used in practice, but Duane wasn't using it. "Do these things mean Duane was Cooper?" No, but my identification says he was Dan Cooper. "I personally am tired of answering or using what time I have left to engage the Moron." I have skin cancer, too. It is not fatal. I sincerely hope you survive it. Moron. I like that. More On than Off my rocker?

What are you trying to do you stupid idiot?? I VERY CLEARLY did not say Rataczak was TOG!! That is not what was said, that is what YOU said. What the hell are you trying to do??? [RED]NO! THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID!!! YOU ARE NOT GIVING CORRECT INFORMATION! YOU ARE TRYING TO PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH! I WAS VERY SPECIFIC IN STATING THAT YOU WERE ASKING A QUESTION THAT DID NOT PERTAIN TO TOG!!! THEN YOU DELETE THAT PORTION TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE SOMETHING ELSE?[/RED] QUADE: I WANT A DELETION OF THAT STATEMENT BEING TAGGED TO ME!! NOT TRUE! THIS IS AN INTENTIONAL UNDERHANDED FALSEHOOD AND BLACKMAIL AND TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT! THIS IS A PERMANENT BANNING VIOLATION!