BobKnoss

____________________________________________ OR: You could take a trip to Iraq and put your proposition on their ballot. Let them vote for the various facts to combine to create a story. I absolutely GUARANTEE they will vote a more correct answer than you all attempt to project (prop up). You could substitute any country in the World and get the same results. The only people nieve enough to buy your story were elected to office or report to one who was. I don't need to listen to suppositions. I was there. Whole big difference. Impossible to try the case. That's FACT. Too many critical dead witnesses. Too many witnesses promised to secrecy. Too many Government erased facts and Government created lies. And YOU won't investigate anything of real value with any integrity, you just accept the cover stories. ALL of them. I find that extraordinarily improbable without a specific all-out objective to destroy the truth. Just my opinion.

Yup. Don't see your problem. Penalty on the conviction for disclosure was 20 years. That was wiped out by Carter. McCoy held me to 35 years of silence. McCoy told me it was OK to talk. You don't HAVE any facts. You just blow hot air. CONSTANTLY. The ONLY people with any facts on here are "Jerry" and Jo. They don't agree on anything publicly, but privately their stories are the same as mine. Just won't admit it or don't have the whole story. Jerry (JR) backed off for a reason.

I respect your statements and thank you for the clarifications. The information I contribute was given to me by McCoy long before meeting Jo, so it was not built on her information, her information only confirms what I had been told. Mac told me he was looking for a patsy and chose JER. Now, if you use your head, that would have to be before Ray was arrested. Mac told a long story of the incident, including taking the rifle wrapped in brown paper, out of the building and running into the manager who he registered with. Rather than be recognized, Mac turned around and ran out the back, avoiding identification. I suspect if you look at the registration you might find McCoy's handwriting which can be compared to his hijack notes and possibly the first Cooper note which McCoy wrote for Duane. If I wrote you a note and you were in the cockpit, and I made a personal greeting on the note, what would you do with the note?? Send it back? Don't think so. Don't think so at all. I believe, based on personal discussions, that Duane Weber was immediately recognized from the very beginning. Mac's note was a little more basic and the first note to be passed. But what do I know. I'm just a keeper of fact who promised silence for 35 years. 35 years is up and far gone. 'We the People' deserve the truth. Heroes deserve credit. If there was a criminal, it is the system. George Tenet publicly admitted verification. "Yes, that is true." to Britt Hume per Britt Hume on PBS in a discussion with Pasternak and the ethics of disclosing the truth of this case. It was unanimously concluded it would not be reported by any of those at the roundtable based on National Security. So, I hear the majority. I see no National Security value. Convince me PM and you will be granted your request of silence. The system allows whistleblowers. History deserves the truth, not more lies and cover-ups. P.S. "I explored the possibility of the skyjacking being a grudge. But remember "grudge" was not the skyjacker's words. This was Tina's word as she tried to explore his reasoning. Cooper just answered her question." Total supposition. It was a phrase he was instructed to use as directed during his training. I was there at the time the direction was given. It was intended to throw a curve into the investigation, and it was very effective.

"You should just fade away quietly, did you see what Mr. Owens does? he is not amused with you." You can't put words in my mouth, although you keep trying. Never said that, you guys did. Losers. Framers! You are too sick to deal with. I only report what is told to me by creditable sources. If those sources lie to me and it comes around, they need to correct the statements, not threaten. Perhaps they were "testing me" also. The sources are the whiners themselves. Why would I lie about things like that? That would be dumber than rocks. They can call me any time to retract their statements. Back peddling has started already and I haven't continued the argument past those retractive comments. Have Owens call me. Love to discuss it. "Richard Owens is your name, not mine." Jo you gave me that name years ago on the phone. I thought it was McCoy if you remember. You convinced me otherwise. What a couple whitewashers! LIE, LIE, LIE! "You deliberately put yourself into the middle of a legitimate investigation with fraudulent statements." Nope. Information I present was provided to me as I present it. Claiming to prove otherwise is a fraudulent statement. Like HoneyBadgerDude, Matt and yourself. I present another theory of the case that has been a possibility for the FBI from the beginning. This case can NEVER be tried. The instigators were acting at the direction of President Nixon, executing a plan designed for another purpose. It was an authorized operation and the people involved are now all pillars of the community, many passed away. Unknown warriors for unpopular legislation, used and abused, classified as criminals, and should be heroes and identified as such. Always been my position. Ask the Chief! I claimed whistleblower status.

Richard Owens is your name, not mine. I don't know who took it as McCoy always uses the term "we", rarely "I". You know NOTHING of my association with Duane, you only wish to discredit me to build your own credibility. Bullpoop! You were on a roll with good information, now you trash it up with this lie!! I have shown beyond your capability to disprove my association with Duane during his training in 1968 which you knew nothing about except for what I told you and what you could squeeze out of the blonde wife at the time. Most of which she withheld to cover a rent theft and her trip to Niagra Falls to a honeymoon cabin! It was a long eventful summer, and I have it all on paper. You do not. Ask McCoy. Ask Barton, ask TOG. Ask "Jerry". Ask Himmelsbach.

"Duane and I made an unusual trip to Memphis in the early 80's and a rifle made an appeared in our home. Later, it was stolen in 1988 along with appliances and boxes of packed, but labeled items (we had just moved) by a man named Richard Owens." _____________________________________________ Richard Owens stole the rifle at the request of Richard McCoy because Duane was supposed to destroy it and did not. I posted a picture of Judge Joe Brown with a duplicate rifle. Everything Jo is stating here is consistent with my information. I believe it is all true. I know there is a connection to MLKjr's assassination, but I do not know the truth in fact. I know Duane was an expert rifleman and hated blacks. I know McCoy registered Ray's hotel room and took the rifle. Ray's room did not have a good shot. The only shot was an awkward one from the bathroom. The real shooter was in the bushes. McCoy was the Canadian Ral Rahaul with a patch over one eye. This is what McCoy told me. Could be fantasy, but facts jive with Jo.

"you keep saying you want people to check your facts, well I have and you are incorrect on them all, then you will respond saying thay these are not the facts to be checking etc etc" When I tell you the FBI flight path is in error, you use the FBI flight path to verify it??? "You can not be serious." You really have to try hard to be so "obtuse". Like ''Andy" said in "Shankshaw Redemption." Nothing personal.

mrshutter45 mathewcline Try as you will, you are pushing a dead horse. You know nothing of what happened and have no verification of the truth, or you would not make your silly statements. Whatever you say you checked is bullshit or you'd have a correct answer. Since you have NEVER provided one accurate statement, your intentions are questionable at the least. Check the medallion. Check "Janet". Do another phony flight path check using planted evidence. You are laughable. I always tell the truth, "except when I'm testing you!" No need to make any changes. You certainly won't change! Want to know what was in the note from Weber to the cockpit??? Want to know why it was never returned? What about the typed note?? What about the note on record of going to a California reporter? Can't whitewash that one! Radios were all double as back-up providing the ability to triangulate from a fixed point to any location by signal directions. I was given an example and we were within 50 feet of our target in heavy fog from 500 miles.

"Here is the challenge: Only reply to posts and present FACTS, backed up with physical, or linked to physical, evidence. REAL evidence as defined buy the US Judiciary Standards. Starts today, so through the 10th of July, only provable facts. On the 11th, you can go back to your story, if it is even necessary by then." NO WAY! I am not a prosecutor and I am not trying the case. If you want to investigate what I say, then YOU prove it, because what I say is the truth. The proof is hidden from sight and next to impossible to substantiate without a lot of withheld information. Jo withholds a lot of information that would end the case in a couple days. Go figure. Just plain stubborn? Selfish of HER story? Another FAILED FBI agent? The biggest GAME player in the whole case? Matt, you think you have a handle on this? You are being a nieve Pied Piper that NOBODY listens to. Face facts. You know nothing of the case in reality. Why do you persist? Ego? Instructions? Orders? Requests? Directions? No imagination there, Matt. It was all planned for nievity, so you fit the duty. Surprise! Ain't that way. There was actually a lot of very intelligent deception involved that just whizzes over your head. Funny to hear you present the obvious. Of course, you are totally off base like they intend. Sorry, but that's the way it is, no guessing, just fact.

Sounds like you got her all wrapped up, Sherlock. Now you can move on to more daunting tasks at hand and leave the real truth to those of us who know the real facts. You are a real piece of work. I think a promotion is in order. You should be in charge of something other than being PLO. Loved Andy Griffith in that role. Bet the Pentagon has a slot for you.

"His book was supposed to be an exploration of the crime and subjects - NOT one of us would have submitted to an interview had we seen this coming." EXCEPTION! It is a farce. Always has been. Doesn't make it funny, just a comedy. Funny would be good. Certainly not a "Dial M for Murder" type plot. "Airport" style would be over the top, but "Police Academy" format would work in the conspiracy version. Keystone pilots and Keystone FBI. I'll go along with that. Peter Sellers isn't on call and I haven't seen a good replacement come along. Johnny Depp could pull it off. So could Sheen.

" " Shall I disclose what Duane wrote on HIS note??? Or what Mac typed? I can.

"OKAY - now I said it!" Correcto! Bravo! Keep going........

"Seems like we are all in agreement except for a certain 'someone' - there was only one NOTE and Cooper retrived that note." Based on testimony by the party in question?? PPFFTT. My information is top shelf. Doesn't get any higher. You are in error. The notes still exist. McCoy wrote one.

"As for the rest of your rabid bloviation - not every empty Big Mac bag thrown on the side of the road contains a meal." McDonalds bags usually have one bite out of the burger and all the fries are gone. Burger King bags only have fries and Wendy's bags are always empty. I quit road walking and just to to Wendy's right away. Got an EggMcMuffin that was really bad. Hot horseradish!

Obviously his demands had been communicated to the crew, somehow by somebody." Try the two or three missing notes from Cooper, the first hand written by McCoy. Got put in Co-Pilot's brief case that the FBI never searched. One was given to a California reporter. See, it pays to know everything.

Robert99 You say, "If he knew so much about the 727 aft stairs, why did he have to ask one of the flight attendants how to put the stairs down?" "And Tina had shown him how to operate the stairs before she went forward. But despite that, Cooper needed additional instructions until he was finally able to get the stairs down." QUOTE: "Don't worry about the stairs. The stewardesses are trained to do that. Just get them do to do it for you." "How do I do that?" "Just ask them." Those are the exact words that were used in the training of Duane Weber in the summer of 1968. So help me, God!

What is with you the last couple of days? I have been here for several yrs - since 2006. I told the newbie what we tell all of the newbies - read the thread! The subject is by far too convoluted to expect to update them with a post as that causes a lot of repetitions and loss of time. If you can PROVE there was NO chance Duane was Cooper - do it NOW. Show us the proof. Unless you are FBI you have NO access. So you just got out of bed on the wrong side this morning. If you are a lurking FBI agent or making a claim! Show me the proof. The FBI has NEVER shown me anything other than what Carr posted on this thread and he couldn't prove what he posted. I was then and am now in possession of GOVERNMENT DOCS that prove Carr posted erroneous information. WHY? I won't repeat all of this - it has been said before. IF you have PROOF - post it. You see I have MORE than the FBI and if the FBI has more than I have and never saw fit to share it with me - SHAME ON THEM. What the FBI has is forever classified as a Presidential Special Order. TOP SECRET. PPPPPFFFFFFFTTTTTTT!

"There is; no "Cooper Crew", no "False Flag Operation", no conspiracy, and most importantly, no evidence to back any of that up." ____________________________________________ You guys don't have the first clue of the truth, just the crap you've been directed to spew. Everything I have said is the truth. You still don't show your PM as it was written. YOU LIE LIKE A SNAKE that you are. There Is a Cooper Crew, there was a safety demonstration plan, there was a political approval to execute Project Norjak for International pressure at Montreal for the Air Piracy Convention, and the evidence is in black and white all over the internet in official documents from the FAA. The FBI documents have been altered to include phony information to coincide with the other alterations in story telling. McCoy was never in VietNam, Janet saw the plane west of the FBI stated location. Ralph talked to the co-pilot about location. Jo knows far more than she tells. You crew guys only tell fiction and advance disinformation. NEVER have I read anything truthful except from Jo. Well, Jerry said Mac broke his foot and that was partly right. He broke a little bone in his foot, but he didn't have any trouble walking on it. ALL DISINFORMATION. Even the chief throws out lies now. That is really depressing. My hero, the guy who has to be deceptive. That's chicken-shit. "That's dangerous, don't go there." Tell me why? What's so frickin' important? We don't know how rotten Government is? Get over it. It's gunna get worse. You are not helping.

You have proven absolutely NOTHING! You have presented absolutely NOTHING of value, only phony planted evidence that you pour over endlessly. You attack everything the Jo says that is true without any support at all. I verify what Jo says and you ignore it. What is the world to think when you are so obviously biased to the Government position? Jo and I each KNOW certain things that you will never change. We may not be buddies, but we sure as Hell know what happened. You can whistle "Wild Goose Chase" until your mouth runs dry, but you can not change the truth of what happened. From the very first word out of your mouth you have had only one goal and you are stuck on it like a fly to fly paper. You all have been caught at your game time after time, burying evidence with so-called "sleuthing". If you can't convince 'em with facts, bury 'em in paperwork. You'd bleed to death in the street before you spent one second doing a real investigation. Nobody could be wrong as often as you guys. It is mathematically impossible. Nobody bats 1000 except you guys. (That's always wrong)

NO! MATT'S POST IS AN ALTERED MISREPRESENTATION OF THE TRUTH!! CLEARLY PROVABLE! "PM message from Bob Knoss when asked: "Who is TOG?" Answer From Bob Knoss: "Bill Rataczak (DO NOT REPEAT THIS) " THIS IS A FAKE PASTE-UP! TOTAL ALTERATION!

"I promised I would not discuss certain details. I'd like to keep that promise. You asked a different question about attaching a reserve chute to the back with rope. I gave you confidential information not to be released regarding a top rigger. I expect you to honor his request for privacy in this matter. He might discuss the theory of tying things together with you, were you to enter into a casual rigger's conversation. No promises. He is totally paranoid." Read the words. I clearly said Rataczak discussed tying knots on a parachute to be mounted differently. That is all that was said. Nowhere did I say what is being claimed. Just shows the level of deviance you will go to to make trouble. That may or may not be what I think, but I make no accusations here.

__________________________________________ THAT picture is absolutely not Richard Floyd McCoy Jr. Another phony! You cover-up artists are poor artists because NONE of your pictures are of the same guy. Henry Selick, the fake dead guy in the casket, this faker, the Bing Crosby poster, none of it is even similar, much less correct. I knew all these guys and THAT ain't Mac. PERIOD! Nowhere did I ever say TOG was the co-pilot. YOU deduced that one yourself. You manage to twist everything into an untruth of your liking. You need to move to the cover-up channel. Let the truth be told here. I tell it like it was given to me by McCoy and what I saw myself. Have a fit! You are still wrong. I am absolutely correct. I don't know everything, but I sure know about what I have said. It is ALL true. Some is supposition, but you can't tell the difference. You just skip over those words. Why don't you leave me alone and do something valuable? I don't think you can. If you checked my info as you say, other than reading the cover stories, you'd not be so quick to cry wolf. You are always wrong. Say something right for the record and break your record! You are totally dis-informed. PM message from Bob Knoss when asked: "Who is TOG?" Answer From Bob Knoss: "Bill Rataczak (DO NOT REPEAT THIS) " Bob was asked in the thread by me, that was his answer. So that Statement Bob made, contrary to that, was a lie. Matt NOT TRUE!!! YOU HAVE ALTERED THE MESSAGE!!! I HAVE THE ORIGINAL TOO!!! NOT WHAT I SAID AT ALL!! " I VERY CLEARLY did not say Rataczak was TOG!! That is not what was said, that is what YOU said. What the hell are you trying to do??? NO! THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID!!! YOU ARE NOT GIVING CORRECT INFORMATION! YOU ARE TRYING TO PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH! I WAS VERY SPECIFIC IN STATING THAT YOU WERE ASKING A QUESTION THAT DID NOT PERTAIN TO TOG!!! THEN YOU DELETE THAT PORTION TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE SOMETHING ELSE? "

I am a TARGET of yours now? Want to stick that too? I know it is a form of speech and I know to what it refers and how it is used. You are not the measure of a man to even try. But to be sure, Officer Hernandez has the quotes, he thinks it is silly you even made it directed at me. Matt Now you use it in an unintended context on purpose to harass me further. Sounds like you have a personal problem. I think you are being silly, too. Hernandez is right. Everything you say is wrong. Intentionally. To "flame", nothing else. Been there, learned a lesson. You need a lesson in behavior also. Find some else to give it to you. I am bored to death with your continual attacks. Leave me alone. Pick on Hernandez and see how he likes it.

__________________________________________ THAT picture is absolutely not Richard Floyd McCoy Jr. Another phony! You cover-up artists are poor artists because NONE of your pictures are of the same guy. Henry Selick, the fake dead guy in the casket, this faker, the Bing Crosby poster, none of it is even similar, much less correct. I knew all these guys and THAT ain't Mac. PERIOD! Nowhere did I ever say TOG was the co-pilot. YOU deduced that one yourself. You manage to twist everything into an untruth of your liking. You need to move to the cover-up channel. Let the truth be told here. I tell it like it was given to me by McCoy and what I saw myself. Have a fit! You are still wrong. I am absolutely correct. I don't know everything, but I sure know about what I have said. It is ALL true. Some is supposition, but you can't tell the difference. You just skip over those words. Why don't you leave me alone and do something valuable? I don't think you can. If you checked my info as you say, other than reading the cover stories, you'd not be so quick to cry wolf. You are always wrong. Say something right for the record and break your record! You are totally dis-informed.