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For principle I votered the last choice. But in reality thereare a some folks I'd for whom I'd make it so inconvenient they couldn't. One guy watched and spent most of the time with his head between mine and the rig.😠 I new girl friend who I was starting to pack for asked if she could watch. I said sure but you'll get a better pack job if you don't (meaning if I'm not distracted.) She immediatly said "I'll just watch you pack someone elses."😮☺ I'm also likely to start it at midnight. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

I was walking on the taxi way rigbt under tbe camper guy. He was heading into the wind for a landong in tbe wid open grass area. No one in bis way. Absolutlely no reason to turn. Not trying to do a 360 to swoop. Turned for no reason 180 low and slammed into a camper. I couldn't believe he was turning. I spent a lot of time in the corn field looking for that damned bsar.😠 I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Aaww was writing while you posted. Think she'd like the mystery of one side only and broken screw. Want an xray? I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Oh God yes. Mike Vederman. I witnessed his accident at Quincy at the 1997 WFFC. Countless surgeries. Fucked his face up all kinds of different ways. It's a miracle that he survived. His website is still up. Chronicles the ordeal he went through. View the pics with an iron stomach if you can. http://www.deadmike.com/ I held c-spine on dead mike until medics loaded him. Being up close and personal seeing bis broken teeth through his face I truely thkught he was dead. Surprised the hell out of me the next day when I heard he was alive. The guy an bkur before him that hooked into a camler didn't make even though we got a heart beat back before transport. To op. They'd find a plate a few inches up on my fibula with six screws. Obviously missing a chunk or fwo. The tibia woud have a y shaped plate on the jnside with five intact screws and the end of a screw buried deep missing about 2/3 of the head end. Screw broke in first 6 months and head end backed out under skin unril removed. May see bone in my ankle added from my hip. Don't know what my illiac creast would look like with bone harvested. They would see that there was a compression injury that blew apart the tibia down over the talus. Extream traumatic arthritis that ened up with 5 degrees of mobility and matching notch and groove from constant friction without cartiledge. They would know I survived decades after injury from amount of wear. 1987 What they wouldn't find is any corresponding injury on the other leg. None. So they might wonder how I so severly injured one leg and not the other. Hit a crotch of a tree with that foot under partially open canopies vertical at 20-30 mph. Then rescued from tree so no other injury. If creamated I'd rattle in the urn. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Who do I know near the coast on North Carolina? I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

You going to do all the pilot gear and rounds? I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

PIA pack volums list. On web site I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

specifically receiver gloves. Normal and winter weight available. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

You crossed posts in post 33 No profile I'm done. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Not in the thread about age, which I was referring to where you didn't like rounds being brought up. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

It's never about money or liability. If they were popular here first I could be current and second I would want the best rigger in the area packing for my friends, me. I would tell every one of them why I didn't like them and let them choose. No money would not change my mind. I wouldn't pack one now for $1000 because I'm not current on them. If any rigger cares about liability they shouldn't be a rigger. By the way fill in your profile so we know who the hell we're talking to. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

But you didn't provide enough detail. Most of the decisions I make about old reserves (emergency canopies) ARE about rounds. If you only wanted to talk about ram airs you should have said so. Rounds are not irrelavant to the discussion. 95% of what I pack or refuse to pack ARE rounds. YOU need to read you OP and not assume the rigging world revolves around ramairs. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

I have both types and in the past made a few plastic handled student main ripcords but decided I didn't like the idea. And Jerry was kind enough to give me his ripcord testing fixture. I'd want to test those crimps. I'm actually using them to hang a cross at a church and will be testing the crimps to 600lbs to see if they pass. I would use it for cutaway handles but again I'd want to test each one. I believe there was a cutaway handle either missing the crimp or built purposefully with out one where the handle stripped off the cable and left one end in the riser. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

You keep wanting yes and no answers but didn't like my last yes and no answers. Lot and lots of rigging is "depends". But here goes. No. The first and last Racer with a ramair in it that I packed was in 1991. It was the only one with a ram air in the area and the guy got a rigger ticket after I packed it once. So, I am not current on them and someone else will better serve them. I would pack a round reserve in a Racer because I was very experienced in that. But nobody asks me to. No. I hate Racers. I had a 1400 foot reserve total on an SST with the same pin configuration. Part of why I became a rigger. And I don't like the current reserve bag. No. We have no Racers that I know on this side of the state and not many in Michigan that I'm aware of. We did in the 1980's and 90's since the they were invented here and the first ever SST's went to a local team. Here's the depends you won't like. IF I did a lot of sport rigging AND if there were a lot of Racers in the area then I might pack them. I have a Racer for rigger training. Nobody has asked to be trained on it. But I expect to ask to candidates this winter to try it. The optional tack the loop, which wasn't optional when I was packing rounds in them, eliminates loop slipping and other tightening although I don't care much about that. My favorite rig and primary rig is a reflex. I have other more personal reasons that I don't pack or recommend racers that I won't post here. Nothing to do with being a dealer for anything else. BTW not too long ago I believe it was possible to get a new Reflex. Some have been built after Fliteline was sold. But with Ray semi retiring I don't know the current state of the TSO approval. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

I can never keep the two companies straight but I've been told one would buy fabric whereever he could. Someone on here is related to other owner. I don't believe it was degeaded in any special way. Bad area was localized and I knew histkry of canopy. One owner and pretty much one rigger. Acid mesh on rounds was never just the mesh. I had one canopy with two panels of one gore in contact with one piece of mesh. Both panels white. Since the day it was sewn together the two panels saw the same mesh and the same environmental conditions. Heat, light, moisture. One panel was fully degraded to no strength. The other panel was full strength. Fabric samples were supplied to Invista, spin off of Dupont, who made the nylon 66. But they never reported back to PIA any findings, perhaps to not admit any responsibility. It was NEVER just acid mesh. There where lots of acid mesh canopies and few with degraded fabric. And nobody ever publically reported issues with the fabric. I'm an analytical.chemist but not a polymer chemist. At the time I examined good and bad fabric by x-ray fluoresence and FTIR spectroscopy. Couldn't find a difference. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

No, I have found that transfer on lots of reserves as have others I've talked to. No others failed. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

I know of a round that tore the lower lateral band to the apwx. Guy survived. No main. I'll have to tru ro remember ramais. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

No. My reasoning is simple. I treat every canopy the same no matter how old it is by inspecting it thoroughly myself. Now add that to the fact that I have never known a reserve parachute to fail from normal use and/or old age. At least not any that did not have known issues like acid mesh. That is again never to my knowledge..ever. MEL Does the Laser that failed a tensile test as soon as I started added pressure (no more than 3 lbs) twice not count because it didn't happen in the air? It would have been a catastrophic failure. This is a reserve I maintained for most of it's life so know its history. There was no reason for the failure other than transfer of the urethane coating from a Javelin reserve bag to the canopy. The feel of this transfer, which I've had on many other canopies, was the reason for the test. No acid mesh in site. Should have shown it to you when you were here. I still have it, the owner didn't want it anymore. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

What the about yes and no are not direct answers? I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Okay, No Unless I don't want to. And see first word in post 10 for answer to post 7. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Packing wears out reserves. If there is a model 5 generations behind in performance and design why should I want to put that on somes back. I don't want a daily driver with out at least front airbags. And I at least want an airfoil and brake system newer tham a five cell swift. I might drive a 57 Chevy for an annual bolivard cruise and I might jump a C-9 military flat with a four line release for a nostalgia jump. But I also have a modern one pin chest reserve with a Vector spring pilot chute. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Would you pack a 24-year old reserve that had just been inspected by PD, passed permeability, clamp (strength) tests, a 40-item checklist and was re-certified by them? Yes, and have. And Ravans, and Glide Path. I don't jump anything except AAD's newer than 1997. And 1978 Preserve or Strong rounds. But there has been a 20 year old Glide Path reserve that I felt was too dead (and I packed 80% of the time) and 3 year old pilot rig with too much sun damage that I have refused to pack. Its subjective and my comfort level. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Right now it's 47 years. I'm not kidding. I will not pack canopies from the 60's and before. And it is not unusual for me to be asked to in pilot rigs. For skydiving it's almost design obsolescence than age. I won't pack 5 cell Swifts or earlier Paraflite products. I won't pack X210 reserves. I won't pack Laser/Rascal line because it's the only one that has ever failed a pull test at 2lbs and I know quality control of materials for one of the two companies that made them was poor. At some point an early Raven, PD, or Glide Path will become an issue as we get farther from the introduction date. I'll ask the question another way. How old of thread would you use to manufacture a reserve? Right now it's condition of the fabric relating to number of pack jobs. I've grounded some early 'modern' canopies because if they were mains I'd guess they had 200 jumps on them from the feel of the fabric. I'll gladly send folks to a rigger that will pack anything if they want. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

I'm not even sure that was a dust devil. It looked to benign. Dust devils can pick you up and throw you to the ground multiple times. And can kill. Not from just a bad first landing but when they decide to pound the ground with you again. None of the dust devil landings on youtube are as bad as the one I witnessed, except the Russian one under a round. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHrTWih0rnE&t=14s And one I witnessed slamming a friend into the ground three or four times was in Michigan, on a small dropzone on grass next to a tree line surrounded by fields and other woods. No wide open spaces or bare ground. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

I still jump Sabre 1's and Triathlons I don't like 800' openings. If you want a parachute to open now then you'll need to stay with one of the older designs. All the newer ones take too long to open for me. But I want to be able to get out at 2000'. Everyone is opening higher and have higher minimum exit altitudes than when you stopped. My DZ does hop and pop runs at 5000'. But I'm an old fart. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE