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it would be nice to fire the entire govt, and start over. term limits for senate and congress a start. maybe some sort of lottery to pick leaders. cant be worse than what is elected. whinno homeless guy buys lotto ticket, then become president. Born ok 1st time.

the reason you put (d) on the end means both: who ever you vote for OR who ever you voted for. tryin to keep politics out of it Born ok 1st time.

who ever you vote(d) for. Born ok 1st time.

Really, how so? arent you trying to compare skydiving with religion? "skydivers who have paid with their lives, do they have a purpose?" answer they were having fun, shit happens, they got hurt or killed. there was no purpose in it. Born ok 1st time.

sorry man, you missed the point of the comparison. no, just responding to you're weak comparison. Born ok 1st time.

purpose for skydiving? fun. lot more people get killed driving their motorcycles to work. Born ok 1st time.

What about a nursery or infant delivery room? You cant kill life man... unless you believe you can I guess. i dont kill anything, well cockroaches, mosquitos. sometimes babies die too. Born ok 1st time.

You know im going to say that is the only reality you know right? irregardless... You are saying life is perishable are you not? I would like to know how you know that? And yes, I will listen. visit a morgue or a graveyard. Born ok 1st time.

You are talking about the reality that is filled with perishable things right? No offense, but ill take Gods word on this one if you dont mind... 27But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29so that no one may boast before him. For those on the side of humbleness this should make sense. the only reality we know is perishable. Born ok 1st time.

Faith and Love are realities of life. Some would claim they are more real than things you can see and touch, as the things you see and touch will be gone with time. As long as life is in the Universe, so also will love be. But then you will say, no, love exists because we do, and I will ask you how is it that life has "evolved" to the point of sending and recieving love through the human mind, never to be able to do so again? It is not us who evolved into love, but rather love which evolved (revealed for the spirtual) into us... and its presence on the earth is getting stronger. The truth is that love is not a revelation of life, but rather that life is a revelation of love. That is, just because one has life doesnt mean he will have love, but if one has love, life will be revealed, and hopefully followed to the source. The only difference between a scientist and a spiritual man (definitely not saying they cant be both) is a scientist sees life as evolving and a spiritual man sees it as revealing. Life is about revelation, not evolution, although, there certainly are paralells. It seems the more we "evolve", the more is revealed technologically, philosophically, and spiritually. Science eludes to a flaw (the us and them mentality) in the correlation between God and evolution, when in actuallity, it is the spiritual mind that is being evolved in such a way that it can recieve the revelations of God. Grace is the future of Life. It is inevitable. To quote Maadmax... again, "I have seen no contradiction between science and spirituality" (something like that). I agree. Science does fascinate me, I think it is awesome to see the depth of perfection that "coincidence" (for the non believers) must attain to sustain and flourish in life, becasue I dont see coincidence, I see the real creativity of God. This is yet another paradigm (perception) difference between those who see different realities. Not to mention, we are also creations... and... created in the creators' image. these are massive revelations if one takes them to heart. There should not be an us and them, even though there seemingly is. Revelations of the spirit do not contradict what is true. Not what I have seen anyway. We are in the same reality, just different perceptions is all. I see that, do you? or you can accept reality Born ok 1st time.

No argument here, but sad to say they are just like anyone else. They can either accept the reality God has created for us or they can set Him aside and create one for themselves. ... or they can accept reality, not created by a god or themselves. Born ok 1st time.

Funny man, the finished product of anger is contempt. Yes, there is no anger in your post, but it is full of contempt. And sorry to say , no, you haven't got the slightest clue what the Good News of Christ is about. ... looks like there is anger in your post. actually my post is a borrowed post from another religious thread in here, that i found funny. so its not contempt or mockery, its plagiary Born ok 1st time.

yep, we have all been broken hearted. yep we all have been in love, on top of the world. just because i dont believe in any religion, doesnt mean i dont have emotions. there isnt any anger in my post, a little mockery, but its what you believe, in a simplified form. beleive it or not you can live a happy fullfilling life without religion. Born ok 1st time.

You believe that god came to earth in human form and sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself so he wouldn't have to throw his creation into the eternal hell fires which he created, for the sole purpose of tormenting (for ever and ever) those creations who find the whole concept "a bit unbelievable" and that despite gods obvious use of extortion with the threat of everlasting torture unless the required brown nosing is observed, that he actually loves us. Born ok 1st time.

no they are mythical characters in a book. Born ok 1st time.

funniest post to date I'd like freedom from the same old topic in multiple threads just like the founders intended but then, Speaker's corner would be 3 threads - 1 - for guns 2 - for religion C - partisan insulting back and forth and: 3 - general country bashing all around new topic? should we shoot all the religious people who insult others for country bashing? Born ok 1st time.

I think it's clear that any attempt to pull this thread back to the original (more interesting) topic is not appreciated - we need to stay on the current tangent of the same old narrow minded (futile/impotent/deathly tedious) debate of: religion good vs religion bad and those that disagree with either side must be labeled as horrible and terrible people with crappy agendas (rather than just individual beliefs that they hold dear) freedom OF topic means freedom FROM topic Born ok 1st time.

I am not fond of the terms religion or religious but, for the purpose of this discussion, yes, I agree with your point. what else would you lable sprituality? do practice transpersonal psychology? Born ok 1st time.

do you mean this? "I operate in the fields of spirituality and psychology" so? then you agree. you base your definitions of knowlege and wisdom from religious point of view. i base my definitions of knowledge and wisdom from scientific point of view. Born ok 1st time.

I believe the assumption that knowledge is neutral, neither good or bad, is false. Wisdom is positive and morally good. Knowledge always has its origin in the reprobate human mind. It is of the flesh and in opposition to wisdom, which is from God. i believe the assumption that knowledge is either good or bad, is false. wisdom can be positive and morally good. you base your definitions of knowlege and wisdom from religious point of view. i base my definitions of knowledge and wisdom from scientific point of view. Born ok 1st time.

Wisdom is the ability to optimally (effectively and efficiently) apply perceptions and knowledge and so produce the desired results. how can too much knowledge be a detriment? unless you mean, the more knowledge we aquire and apply, the less we believe in the supernatural. Born ok 1st time.

The problem with many of these theories is that you need to be more than just a genius. You also need to be highly educated in mathematics, as well as being highly creative in your thinking. but as far as i understand it, the big bang came from an infintesible small point, a singularity. not nothing. there are many theroies of what caused it to explode / expand, but we will never know how or why in our lifetime. or we could just go head and believe some invisible being created the universe, in the wrong order. "let there be light" Born ok 1st time.

stop arguing you guys. xenu is watching Born ok 1st time.

I understand , there are some things you cant learn in the tunnel, like exits and closing on formation from long distance, but what will you learn in tunnel that you cant use?, besides doing cool exits outta of tunnel. Born ok 1st time.

response to post#30. took a long time to read through religious blather. lets see if i can help.. 1. science doesnt work the way you describe. In science everything evolves, with time. science is an ongoing process of proving theroies. evrything is questioned. In science evidence against a theroy is welcomed. it means we have learned something. 2.human purpose, same as all life purpose - procreate. realtionship with god and spreading your message? - believe what you want, just keep it out of govt and schools. 3.no one know what was before big bang. lots of theroies, but we havent the ability to investigate very far into any of the theroies yet. your "bubble" isnt perfect or designed. It wasn't magically created. it took about 4 billion years to evolve into what it is today. you are right einstein didnt make anything true, he just figured out how to prove some theroies. 4.beauty is in the eye of the beholder. beauty comes from emotion, which comes from larger brain. although, my dog seems happy when i come home and sad when i leave.even smaller brains seem to have emotions. wisdom is truth? its wise to know things that are true. again we have purpose, procreate. we care about truth + or - yes or no. helps us define the world, learn more, teach others. educate people. 5.we are animals. we die. souls, spririts, ghosts - dont know never seen any proof, except bad tv shows about hauntings.I think it would be much easier to beleve in life after death. easier on the mind, thinking one day i will not exist, is unimaginable. bla bla christ bla bla bla. no comment on religious crap. 6. i understand the message. i just dont believe in gods or spirits. i dont mock it, its just not needed anymore. like believeing in santa when you are a kid, you come to an age when you dont need it anymore. thats the nicest way i can think to put it. 7. paragraph 7 makes no sense. 8.there are a number of theories about be fore big bang, but totally un provable. no one in our lifetime will ever know. 9.jesus - not sure if was even a real person. son of god in one religion, important prophet in another religion. i think the jews just threw him out of their religion. 10.i understand religion, i just dont believe in it, or follow it. 11. why do you try to brand people that dont believe what you believe? i would believe anything, if shown proof. please not the usual yammering of "open your spirit and listen for the truth" or "his eternal grace will show you the light you seek". i have heard it. show me simple, tangiable proof. Born ok 1st time.