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I don't consider someone a lawbreaker if they just weren't paying attention. To be a law breaker (in my opinion) you would have to have beeing going blatantly over the limit and veering in and out between cars to pas, or driving while impaired. Fair enough. I have never been in a scenario where a cop asked me to let them plant drugs so it is so far out there in terms of normal situations I cannot say how I might have reacted. It does sound very weird; what kind of cops do you have down there? That to me does not sound like entrapment though so much as planting evidence. Entrapment (as I understand it) usually involves a conscious choice on the part of the person to do something they know to be illegal. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

I sympathise. I doubt I would have done that in broad daylight though. I could see it at night in a more remote location (meet girl in bar, take girl for walk on remote part of beach real late at night.....yadda, yadda,yadda) but I would probably not do that during the day (I would have when I was a teenager). This particular case sounds like a bit much. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

I am with family over the holidays. Is the video suitable or should I wait for a private moment? Anyway, my comments were more general in nature and not specific to this incident. From what you describe it sounds like a chickenshit charge, but I will watch it when I am alone. I still think people throw the word entrapment around somewhat gratuitously. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

There is no doubt that there are some chickenshit stunts to pull in revenue out there. I was more referring to criminal cases. I agreed with photo radar but our cops up here abused it just to make a quick buck. I was thinking of cases involving drugs and such. No doubt that there are some who just love to convict everyone and hang-em-high, but the other extreme I am seing here is the "fuck the pigs...lets aquit everyone because cops are all liars" that I have seen in this thread that also is concerning. I do not beleive that people should not question the cops or arrests. I just find that in all the cases in the media where lawyers have used the term entrapment or people on this board have, the case just looks pretty cut and dry. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

You gave examples....I gave examples. I do not see the difference. Where exactly did I say "my diddy said...."? My point is that the only time I ever hear the word entrapment it is from some guy who knew that he shouldn't have been doing what he is doing. The discussion is about entrapment, not wronful arests. I was trying to stick to that discussion. You are going on a tangent. Pigs? Nice. If the cop does something wrong while getting the evidence then the cop should pay some sort of penalty. This should not suddenly make the evidence invalid. Where do you come up with this stuff? Have my words on this matter really presented such extremity or are you just desperate for any straw man argument you can come up with? Anyone who does not categorize all cops as pigs and seek way to make it harder for the cops to protect the average Joe is living some sort of vigilante fantasy? Believe it or not there is such a thing as middle ground. Just because I do not hate cops like you do does not mean I place them above reproach. Some police officers have done that, just as some soldiers have committed abuse of prisoners or even murder, some black people are gang-banging drug dealers...etc. If the cop set up an innocent person then the cop should be prosecuted. If the person was doing something illegal then if the cop used misconduct to catch the guy, penalise the cop but the evidence should still exist. As a matter of fact a judge here in ontario ruled that in a case where a pistol used in a crime was obtained with an illegal search. the cops weer reprimanded but the evidence was still allowed and the offenders were convicted on that evidence. I think that is a good thing (does that fit your image of me being some charles bronson wannabe creaming my pants over a vigilante fantasy?) Oh the irony. Love the way you just generalised all cops for having a tendency to generalize. Or you can reprimand the cop in a manner that doesn't reward the criminal for the cops misconduct. I don't want abusive cops but I also don't want criminals getting a free pass. Oh here we go again. Another rant about neo-con, chicken-hawck....etc. Stick to the discussion please. Oh and yes, I do think we ned to prosecute corrupt cops, but as I have already said we should not do so by rewarding criminals. Why. Some guy who has never sold drugs will spontaneously be overwhelmed with an urge to sell drugs just ebcause a cop approached them (and of course have drugs in distribution quantities on them)? Boo-hoo. Don't break the law. Why. I have been approached by hookers and never felt trapped into using thier services. You make a choice to either breakl the law or not break the law. My disagreeing with your stance upsets you? As you recall, I was not taking definition and I made it abundantly clear that my problem was with the kind of cases where people use the term. But don't let that stop you from getting on your high horse. You seem to have an unhealthy hatred of all things police. You also tend to generalise everyone who does not want to "stick it to the man" as being some hardcore hang-em-high chest thumper who wants to bring us back into the dark ages with human rights. Ever heard of grey areas or is everything black and white? My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

Our new society. People just don't give a fuck. They care about thier immediate gratification and anyone who reminds them of thier obligations, responsibilities or simply the importance of respecting others is accused of "getting thier panties in a bunch" My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

Not sure at all what that has to do with the discussion of entrapment? As have you with your link between DUI blood draws and entrapment. I have heard of wrongfull arrests and even wronfull convictions yet none of these cases even involved the word entrapment. Every time I hear the word "entrapment" it has something to do with some lowlife who was caught dead in the act of doing something he knew he shouldn't be doing and now wants to cry that the law did not protect him from himself. Examples; Drug busts- they whine entrapment because the officer approached them. (Wouldn't entrap me because I don't sell drugs) Undercover cops dressed as hookers to bust johns- they whine entrapment. (Wouldn't entrap me because I don't use hookers) The show "To catch a predator". They act like little kids on the internet to get pedophiles to come looking for kiddie sex and when the cameras and cops surprise them at the door.......they whine entrapment (Wouldn't entrap me because I don't have such unhealthy interests in children) It seems today that regardless of the legal definition, in the vernacular of criminals and bar-room lawyers, entrapment=sting-operation. Do they expect narcs/vice/sex-crime officers to announce who they are and what their intentions are in advance in the interest of integrity? Again. Decent law abiding citizens don't get "entrapped" as I understand the definition of entrapment (based on where and when the term gets used), just scumbags. I will never have to fear being "entrapped" My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

Right, cause only criminals get arrested and only criminals get convicted. That's not what I was saying, but don't let facts get in the way of a good straw man argument. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

It's something that only criminals whine about and would never affect someone who obeys the law. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

Good advice to live by, but far too many use that as an excuse for thier own behaviour. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

People still do that? My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

Then why did she go back? She had money, fame...could have made plenty more of both giving lecture dinners, and writing a book. I was kind of wondering this when she put herself back in harms way in the first place. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

You aren't feeding it dairy products I hope. You should know what that wreaks havok on the feline digestive system. She dines exclusively on Chihuahua puppies. Hmmmm....I realize the importance of proteins in a young cats diet but beleive it or not roughage is also important. Some greens (cats don't mind asparagus actually) will work wonders. This however does not explain the increased regularity of his/her bowel movements. Has anything in his/her diet changed? Lately, she eats a great deal of arugula. Not familiar with arugula but it sounds veggie-ish. Try switching it up a bit. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

You aren't feeding it dairy products I hope. You should know what that wreaks havok on the feline digestive system. She dines exclusively on Chihuahua puppies. I just figured it out!! Chihuahua's are from Mexico. THink what would happen to you on a straight diet of mexican food (or drinking water). Change things up a bit. Some french food (poodles), some german (sheppards) and some american (heinz 57) and don't forget what I said about greens. I don't mean to harp but that is critical. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

You aren't feeding it dairy products I hope. You should know what that wreaks havok on the feline digestive system. She dines exclusively on Chihuahua puppies. Hmmmm....I realize the importance of proteins in a young cats diet but beleive it or not roughage is also important. Some greens (cats don't mind asparagus actually) will work wonders. This however does not explain the increased regularity of his/her bowel movements. Has anything in his/her diet changed? My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

You aren't feeding it dairy products I hope. You should know what that wreaks havok on the feline digestive system. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

I don't fully understand your position. Personally I think Paris is a fucktard but disliking someone is usually not a good enough reason for me to take pleasure at thier misfortune. Has she committed some mean spirited act against another human being that would merit your taking pleasure at her misfortune? My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

hey! it's not a laughing matter it's very offensive Suck it up cupcake Cupcakes are offensive. Dragon avatars make me want to cry. Thus I feel violated and hurt by your avatar. I want compensation damnit! ps Who could possibly be offended by cupcakes? My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

Back on track. Any lawyer types know if this legal action will go anywhere? My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

hey! it's not a laughing matter it's very offensive Suck it up cupcake My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

That offends me My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

You know. You actually have a great idea there. If people send letters to be published in the CIC publications they can also take them to the HRC and demand that they publish them. Might be interesting to try. I assume that the HRC would apply thier ruling both ways. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

It was working up here for some time (before it became a vote buying tool), so a happy medium can be reached. Yes I agree that those who are not going to make it should not be kept alive at all costs indefinitely. I would however want to give the marginals the best chance possible. Furthermore I would like to provide comfort and dignity in the final days for those who won't make it. The abuse and moral hazard you refer to can be minimised if politicians have the cojones to stand their ground on issues concerning principle and optimal allocation. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

Depends on if you want to live in a civilized society...... or a society like that portrayed in "Idiocracy" I was being facetious. Of course I support public schools. My point was that we as a society do recognize that some social standard of well being is desireable. Why not extend that to making sure that the poor can get basic health coverage? My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.