NCclimber

I'll try again. Where in Daniel and Revelations is the "downfall of America" talked about? I'm asking for specific verses.... especially the parts about two nuclear bombs being detonated on US soil.

Unfortunately, a number of the regulars' SOP is making dishonest, insulting stereotypes of the other guys. For some, it's rare that their don't include some such disparagement.

Where?

What a maroon.

Apples and oranges. No, Lemons. Seems more like sour grapes.

Only in your opinion. Of course, you explaining it's relevance is out of the question, eh? I'm quite sure you can figure out the relevance. I suspect you already did. You mean that iPhones or DVD players are symbols of hate speech, used to intimidate minorities? Yeah - that's brilliant. You know perfectly well what I meant, you are not stupid. Do you REALLY want me to spell it out for you? Yes

Well, I found this gem: http://www.timeswatch.org/articles/2007/20071015120146.aspx

It's funny that you're attacking me considering your posts in this thread. To summarize: - mock the OP article - further mockery of the OP and attack the poster - cherry picking to suit your bias - attack the poster As far as I can tell, you had your panties in a wad about this from the get go... and you seemed intent on resorting to childish tactics throughout. Go job.

Only in your opinion. Of course, you explaining it's relevance is out of the question, eh? I'm quite sure you can figure out the relevance. I suspect you already did. You mean that iPhones or DVD players are symbols of hate speech, used to intimidate minorities? Yeah - that's brilliant.

Only in your opinion. Of course, you explaining it's relevance is out of the question, eh?

Do you really think this is an "either military spending or healthcare" situation?

How irrelevant.

For those of you who said the US was wrong for bombing cities, what would you have done instead?

And singing "Dixie".

Why don't YOU tell us. I'm guessing anyone would be hard pressed to find any statistics on this. Outside of recent incidents, I doubt there are many cases of nooses being left out, as a form of intimidation.

How demoralizing to revisit something you felt was particularly insightful, only to see the post after yours has 20 more views.

Funny how the black students who saw the nooses in Jena were so overwrought that they used them as rope swings, before they were taken down. It wasn't until six days later, when some parents and students got together discuss this incident and the media reported on it did this become an issue. One other interesting point - In late July 2007, Donald Washington, U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Louisiana, noted that of the more than 40 statements taken regarding the assault of Justin Barker, none mentioned the noose incident. *paraphrased from wiki IOW, no one made the connection until they realized there was some attention to be gained by cooking up a story about those separate events being connected. A black woman finds a noose on her door - more high drama. Meanwhile, the brutal beating of Mordechai Moskowitz gets zero national attention. I notice you didn't respond to: Anyone know how many times nooses (left on display) have been used as a form of intimidation in the last 60 years or so?

You seem pretty caught up in trying to dimiss this story. I wonder why. To me it was kind of a shock. Forget about the one part of the story that you so kindly labelled "alarmist", even though you have nothing back up your claim. I was more intrigued by: "Most of the abuse never gets reported. Those cases reported often end with no action." "In case after case the AP examined, accusations of inappropriate behavior were dismissed. " "Unless there's a videotape of a teacher involved with a child, everyone wants to believe the authority figure, says Wayne Promisel, a retired Virginia detective who has investigated many sex abuse cases." "several academic studies estimating that only about one in 10 victimized children report sexual abuse of any kind to someone who can do something about it" Yeah - you go on sticking with the view that only those cases where sexual abuse is proven is the only relevant factor.

They are some doozies. Maybe people could just vote Yes or No, ignoring the inflammatory comments.

Back when lynching was widespread, burning crosses were actively used to intimidate blacks. The message was typically one of two things - "get out of town" or "know your place". I don't recall nooses being used (with any frequency) for the same purposes. Anyone know how many times nooses (left on display) have been used as a form of intimidation in the last 60 years or so?

What side is that? How is that side exempt from asking volumes? What site did you post? I saw none in the post I replied to. Do you really think this country should be blamed for the genocide of six million "American Indians"? Why? I wasn't misdirecting. I was responding directly to your post. As far as the justification for bombing the populations of those to cities, from what I've read, it seems like part of the objective was to break the spirit of firmly entrenched people and leadership. The specifics of this have already been thoroughly addressed here, as have the prospects for our troups if we didn't drop those atom bombs. The results of those bombings are probably incomparable in world history, as isolated events. But in the grand scheme of things, it was the best option.

Without a doubt, not ot metion Indian Schools after we decimated what, 6 million American Indians after we stole their country and have the gall to celebrate it once a year. This kind of hot button rhetoric doesn't really help your credibility. ""There are other terms to describe what happened in the Western Hemisphere, but genocide is not one of them. It is a good propaganda term in an age where slogans and shouting have replaced reflection and learning, but to use it in this context is to cheapen both the word itself and the appalling experiences of the Jews and Armenians, to mention but two of the major victims of the last century."

They use hangman's nooses at rodeos? Back on topic, I find it interesting that something so dated is giving so much power in this day and age.

Where'd you get that idea? Do you have any proof or are you just basing your opinion on third party hearsay? You're kidding right? That's right. It was a continuation of foreign policy first put into place by the Clinton Administration.

Where'd you get that idea? Do you have any proof or are you just basing your opinion on third party hearsay? I don't recall anyone saying Bush was smarter than everyone in the intelligence community. Typically, our presidents are lauded for surrounding themselves with smart people, not for there own smarts. In fact, the only presidential candidate I can think of, who people talked about his superior IQ, was Al Gore. He went to the same Ivy League school as Bush, but he had a lower GPA.