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I just assumed that since she was a person who obviously stereotypes she'd lump us in a category, too, and I imagined that category to be one she'd want to avoid or would recognize as "different." I didn't mean to imply that any of those things make us better than her or anyone else. So you were stereotyping Stereotypers?? Yes. "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." ~Catherine Aird

Just because she's from the South doesn't mean she got a poor education. And that's still not a reason; lots of people all over get sub par educations. People of all races can be racist. A reason makes sense. An excuse is something you use when there is no good reason but you still don't want to take responsibility for your actions. "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." ~Catherine Aird

I just assumed that since she was a person who obviously stereotypes she'd lump us in a category, too, and I imagined that category to be one she'd want to avoid or would recognize as "different." I didn't mean to imply that any of those things make us better than her or anyone else. "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." ~Catherine Aird

This is why I posted in the first place. I didn't assume that she represented the whole area. It was the nonchalance with which she made the comment that made me wonder if racism was more prevalent or less hidden in the south. That's why I'm on here asking Southerners, not just assuming they're all racist. There's racism in Michigan, too, but not very open and not just as an aside to strangers. "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." ~Catherine Aird

That ignorance thing wasn't just directed at you. It's just a personal pet peeve regarding excuses for behavior.

So you wouldn't make a comment that conveys ignorance (read: racism) even if you agree with it? And you're scared of black people (I assume that you perceive that droves of them found their way to Snoop Dogg) unless they're your friends? I'm not trying to be mean. I'm trying to understand. I have chosen to not hang out with the people (of all colors) who choose to chose to exhibit behaviors that would invite or be condusive of violence and or any other sort of crime. The people I have chosen to befriend are of all colors, they know how to behave in society (not saying they are uptight stiff shirts who don't cut-loose) but they do not threaten other people, they do not think that violence is fun, they are not "out to prove something". They are hard-working upstanding members of society, who understand that in order to get something in life, you have to work for it, not steal it, or kill someone for it. Through out history, bad things have happened to people of all colors. I have had bad things happen to me, it is just a part of life. However, you can choose to not let these things determine your future, or you can continue to "hate" and be a part of the problem. But why would you assume that people at a Snoop Dogg show, especially at a festival with roughly 150 bands, would be violent? Is it because of the type of music? Again, just trying to understand. "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." ~Catherine Aird

Let's quit using the word ignorant. It implies that a person is unaware of a situation. Can't we just call it racism when that's what it is? I assume racists know that they can't "catch" blackness and that black people aren't stupid or dirty or evil. They aren't ignorant, they're racist. The ignorant part is that the festival has been loaded with gospel music, bluegrass, jam bands, hip hop acts (Public Enemy and Erykah Badu this year), etc. with black members/leaders since its inception. But since Snoop Dogg is a big name, he gets blamed for the perceived bad element (the entire four day festival was violence free), which is assumed to be black. He got a headlining spot and most of the people at the show were white. Would these idiots still be scared to go to a Snoop Dogg show if they knew "all the blacks" didn't come out? No? So they're not worried about the music or type of person who listens to that music, they're worried about black people. Plus, isn't music like Nine Inch Nails considered violent? But primarily listened to by whites, so it's O.K. Isn't Beastie Boys rap? But a mixed audience makes it O.K. God knows only black people listen to Snoop Dogg. All I really wanted to know was whether one racist chick in Tennessee was an accurate representation of the openness of racism in the south. I know there are racists everywhere, I was just wondering if it was more prevalent and open in some areas than in others. "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." ~Catherine Aird

So you wouldn't make a comment that conveys ignorance (read: racism) even if you agree with it? And you're scared of black people (I assume that you perceive that droves of them found their way to Snoop Dogg) unless they're your friends? I'm not trying to be mean. I'm trying to understand. "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." ~Catherine Aird

So you wouldn't be bothered if six big white guys asked you what the fuck you were doing there? "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." ~Catherine Aird

I don't believe in being politically correct. I'm honest; I say what I think and if what I think in this case happens to fit your definition of "politically correct" then fine. If you avoid certain races or types of people that's your problem. I avoid situations and places. If I have an uncomfortable feeling about a place I leave it, regardless of who's there. I've never been afraid in any place because of the race or type (you mention rednecks) of people there. Only because of how the people acted or made me feel. I've never found that this happens more or less with one race as compared to another. "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." ~Catherine Aird

I'm a daisy... "You are just a sweet person. When a friend needs a shoulder to cry on, you are happy to offer yours with a box of tissues as well. Once in awhile, you wish you could be a little more dramatic but then sensibility sets back in and you know that you are perfect the way you are." Ha! I'm perfect! "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." ~Catherine Aird

So, call me a liar. "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." ~Catherine Aird

No racism at the show , just a chick in a surrounding town. The whole weekend (Thursday - Sunday night) was awesome!! Actually, I think there may have been a recent incident for Public Enemy because they had everyone chanting, "Fuck racism!" "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." ~Catherine Aird

There are places I avoid, but because of violence or atmosphere. Not because of what you call "the black factor." Or the Hispanic or Asian factors. Places with white patronage have fights and shootings, too. "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." ~Catherine Aird

How sad. "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." ~Catherine Aird

I don't really know that much Phish (shhh...don't tell). I went more for Nine Inch Nails, Beastie Boys, Dillinger Escape Plan, Public Enemy, Shadows Fall, Al Green, Elvis Costello, David Byrne, Girl Talk, Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band, The Mars Volta, Santigold, Government Mule, etc. But I did familiarize myself more with Phish and enjoyed it and do enjoy other bands of the genre. "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." ~Catherine Aird

I definitely didn't take this woman as representative of the whole population. That's why I posted. I didn't know if it was just her or if that attitude is really common in the South like some Northerners told me it was. "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." ~Catherine Aird

I went to Bonnaroo last week/weekend, which is in Manchester, TN, just southeast of Nashville. When we were about half way between Nashville and Manchester, we stopped at a truck-stop so my boyfriend could get some McDonald's. On our way out, one of the McDonald's employees who'd been working was outside having a cigarette and we chatted for just a minute. After about three short, pleasant exchanges, she says to us in this super sweet accent, "Well, we thought about going to the festival, but Snoop Dogg's gonna be there this year and we thought that might bring out all the blacks." Seriously! The boyfriend and I just sort of looked at each other. The (30-something) woman said this as nonchalantly as if she were asking for the time; like it was just normal as all hell. Is this still normal and acceptable in the South? Is this a common attitude there? Is racism that open (though I'm sure this woman does not consider herself racist)? A couple people "warned" me about it before we went, but I thought they were just being overly dramatic. I don't want to offend anyone, but I find her statement abhorrent. Plus, why would you say this to the kids in the hybrid car, the boy with long hair and earrings and fire engine red hair? Edited to add: I don't want this moved to S.C. I really do just want to know how prevalent this attitude is and if I'm naive or something. I don't want to start a debate. "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." ~Catherine Aird

Skinny Bitch is also a great book. Some people are put off by the sarcasm and the fact that the truth is not sugar coated. But it gives a raw, honest picture of what goes into making food out of animals (that also upsets some people) and the evolutionary argument against humans eating animals and animal products (claws, agility, the ability to eat raw meat, seriously pointy teeth made for tearing, keen senses of sight, sound, smell, etc.). No matter how an author approaches the subject, I see it as promoting a way to exercise compassion and morality while doing something awesome for your body and our environment. "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." ~Catherine Aird

I was washing it and accidentally got water in the battery compartment. "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." ~Catherine Aird

I can't believe someone else calls doing that having a "safety meeting!" That's awesome. Smells I like: Freshly repaved parking lots Gasoline Good cigars Cilantro Cucumbers Dirt My boyfriend in the morning (armpits especially) My boyfriend fresh out of the shower Fresh laundry Fresh cut grass Just before it rains Oranges Rum soaked fruit Brown sugar and fig lotion "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." ~Catherine Aird

The correct response will always be, "Pants or no pants, your ass is perfect, Baby!" Follow that up with a good, firm butt smack and prepare to do it. "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." ~Catherine Aird

See my above post regarding "reproductive potential." I never said it had anything to do with small breasts (though you must be aware that many men love them), just that preferences in size and shape vary. This quote says nothing of the reason for the preference. There's no evidence that it has anything to do with species propagation. I know I'm one of the people pointing out that shape/size has nothing to do with nursing/fertility. That's why I used the quote. Do you mean to say that some point out that a relationship does exist between those things? If so then you should have used one of their articles. And I never mention any correlation between breasts/nipples and nursing. I've only argued against it as a fact. Just because you like big boobs doesn't mean you're "hard wired" for it. It just means you like the way they look and you like to play with them. And, as the article indicates, development of breasts is associated with puberty, and firmness, etc. are associated with youth, both of which are indicators that a woman is of child bearing age. If you're looking for anything, which I doubt, it's age. As I said before. You don't need an excuse (in your case being "hard wired") to like tits. You can just like them. "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." ~Catherine Aird

"At the most basic level, a good-sized breast signals fertility; it shows that a female is reaching reproductive age." quoted from study overview So, her boobs are growing because she's entering puberty and reaching child bearing age. Just having (or getting at this age) boobs is not the same as having large boobs post-puberty. Also from the article: "In addition, many point out that there is no clear relationship between nipples, breasts, their size or shape, and the ability to nurse an infant." and "Men in many cultures prefer large, firm breasts, but a few, such as the Azande of Eastern Sudan and the Ganda of Uganda, men view long, pendulous breasts as more attractive." Let's read the whole article and not just bits and pieces to fit our points. We can both find information to contradict each other, it's the overall point, which regards indications of age as it relates to fertility and how sometimes breasts are an indication of age, that's important. "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." ~Catherine Aird

I agree. Plus, I don't think the article says how many people were studied or under what circumstances. What if they asked a chick if she found a man attractive when it was her group of friends that already thought he was hot? Friends often have similar tastes. I think there's trouble any time we try to group too many people and say everyone does this, women do that, men think this, people from this area feel this way. "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." ~Catherine Aird