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Dowell-Schlumberger for one. your quoting them? the army corp of engineers is hardly an independent entity, "give me a break!" first the comment is made halliburton is avoiding scandal by NOT taking contracts to avoid any missconception of missappropration, now this comment is being made. which is it? --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

they won't get them directly, but will be awarded work by "sub contracting" through subsideraries. being awarded a job by the corp of engineers, let's see, nah, no way there's a "conflict of interest there"

some of us are. "i call em' like i see em" my bad? if it flies like a duck, looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's generally a friggin' duck. generally the "home crowd" hates the umpire. very well then. you shouldn't have any problem reelecting this current commandant. he won't get my vote again. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

all of the statistics you posted are in line, and correct for the most part. my question is "shouldn't someone (Wyatt Earp/Doc Holiday) have figured the human element into the PLAN" before we deployed anybody, anywhere? the stats you posted can only be tabulated after a war unfortunately. but i guess if the "kill ratio" is acceptable, what the hell? --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

rumor has it, they also found a "cat of 9 tails" leather masks, whips and chains and "french ticklers" methinks they were using torture chamber for other activities as well! J/K. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

i voted for them (Wyatt Earp:Dick Cheney) to. but i knew even before casting my ballot politicians have a long and proven history of being theives, liars and womanizers. just plain cold hard facts. i don't trust Wyatt any further than i can throw him, never did, never will. ol' Wyatt is an admitted alcholic, and ex-cocaine user, not to mention whispers in the oil industry of him missapropriating funds while a partner in a texas oil firm. let's see, Wyatt ex-oilfield hand, Cheney ex-oilfield hand and once vice x/o of halliburton who makes at least a thousand different types of explosive devices for severing metal tubulars, anchors, anchor chains, etc...they make one explosive device in particular calles a "jet-cutter" you oughtta see one of them go off! don't let these guys piss on your leg and tell you it's raining, because that's what they're doing. seems our ex-attorney general in the state of texas senior dan morales got busted here as of late, poor bastad just couldn't keep his hand out of the cookie jar, seems he just couldn't resists the temptation and took a few $$$ of the tobacco mfgrs settlement to the people of texas and put it in "his own little bank account" this "class clown" had aspiritions of furthering his career in the political forums. bad man, steal from other's, not good! --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

torture chamber in a hospital? i swear, what will they come up with next? well, i guess it makes sense, this way, if the torture gets out of hand and the poor goomer needs medical attention...VIOLA! he's already there! HAH! --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

ie: who would this be? i am hardly a pessimist, or a pessism (whatever that is) i am a realist, and will remain so. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

a little of both here. the terroists attacks you allude to, that were promised, but not fulfilled yet, will come. "wishful thinking" will not make this go away. i applaud your efforts regarding your manefesto, it is great reading. but just by researching past events you can be rest assured the plan will not go as planned. we've already borne witness to that. and our access to national treasures in our country will soon be restrained by our own "homeland security" so get ready to be searched, researched and closely scrutinized. aren't we essentially turning our country into a highly regulated state of paranoia? --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

it's gonna rain! i'm in complete agreement with what you said in your post. but, i do wonder "where, oh where" do these "polls" come from supporting the effort and direction on Wyatt's behalf? no one's ever asked me jack. how many on here have participated in a poll of such origin? --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

this reminds me of repulsive behaviour on american's behalf in another time. when our soldiers came home from viet-nam, i recall vividly their fellow americans spitting in their faces, were that me, i would have initiated "deadly force" even now, spitting on someone is "assualt & battery" now, in some instances "assualt with a deadly weapon" if they're HIV positive. some people regardless of culture are just beneath contempt. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

unfortunately, no. because of where i am right now, i don't have recording capabilities. i don't think he's dumb, i think he's "the village idiot" this "braintrust" actually thought the "shock-n-awe" campaign would have them all come out with their hands up. i'm sure ol' Wyatt was aware of this, but never dreamed it would go this far. remember, they had some "inside intel" on sodamninsane, they actually thought with a swift murder of this leader, they would experience a "walk in the park" but just like Antonio Banderas said in the movie "Desparado" while they were having the initial shoot out in the bar..."You Missed Me!" "Tried To Shoot Me In The Back...Eh?" --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

the premise the way i understood it, was to "dissarm Sodaminsane" he only referred to "liberating the iraqi people" after he seen what a cluster-fu*k he's gotten himself into. says who? you don't think ol' Wyatt & Doc won't do it? they may kill them, but they'll "be liberated" no arguement there. as american citizens, WE let him do this. Truman, not LBJ Wyatt made this decision pre-deployment. agreed. but yet again, this was not the "initial objective" we seem to be ad-libbing our plans to suit the agenda as we go along. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

i started refering to GWB as "Wyatt Earp" & TB is "Doc Holiday" pre-invasion, it is satirical in my mind and meaning i think these 2 individuals aren't taking this situation with enough seriousness, thus the reference to the invincible "Earp & Holiday" incident at O.K. corral in Tombstone Arizona, and if you watched the movie you can see no one want's to be the first to STOP killing. Wyatt was asked on several occasions on how long he thought this war would take back when he was initially promoting his "Shock-N-Awe" campaign, he referred to a "short war, "hopefully" lasting 2 or 3 days" --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

your opinions and thoughts, albeit in oposition to mine or not, will always be well recieved. that said, i referred to hiroshima and nagasaki merely to highlight the lives that could be lost in such a deployment. i dissagree with you when you say the iraqis don't know our (US) might, and potential. they know what we have, and what we don't have, the coalition has dropped som 100 million leaflets over this country in the last 90 days. they have access to Al-Jazeer as well. again, i am opposed to our presence, but now that this cannot be changed, we must do what we have to, even if it seems inhumane. i hate it, and i tried my best to stop the initial deployment. but if you know anything about ol' Wyatt Earp, and his pappy, you see what we're up against. sad, but true. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

yes, in fact, i was. i have never supported, and never will support any administration that uses my tax $$$ to be the "world's policeman" and Wyatt did say that he expected this war to be short, 2 or 3 days. review all of his press conferences, you'll see the evidence for yourself. to make my stance clear, i do not support the conditions under which we utilized to get us where we are. i wanted the UN inspections to continue, we waited 12 years, 12 months isn't too much to ask. that said, i am in support of every young man and woman "laying their lives on the line for us" in this confrontation, no matter what the political agenda. i'm glad your perception of the chain of events so far seem to fit your ideals as they don't impress me at all. i went back and figured that some 60% of people supporting this war effort were in ages 11-16 during the gulf war, and not even born before, or during viet nam, as most of our troops are in their early teens, and early 20's. an exchange of ideals should not be considered as an argument per se, but as a learning tool, i can certainly learn from you, or anyone else for that matter. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

Click Here for another perspective on the news as it's being put out to countries that are our "allies" with friends like this... --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

Happy B-Day AggieDave!

kineaa was saying that sodaminsane would have broken a UN resolution "IF" he does in fact have WMD, no reference to the troops i could see. by the way, sodamninsane will be in possession of WMD, whethere he is or not. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

the "ultimate objective" will be "dissarming Sodamn Insane" whatever ends this may lead to, doesn't matter. this war will culminate with the eradication of it's current regime. should we be there? no. should it come to this? no. will it come to this? more than likely. we knew that this would be no 2 or 3 day campaign before we went there, but still americans supported ol' Wyatt Earp & Doc Holliday. i don't agree with the "can of worms" that is now open, but now we must do what we have to, whatever the end result may be. in my opinion, we should have had UN consensus before going in, and we should have never bought into the 3 day war bs. we will not bring freedom to the general iraqi population by nuking the country, but we will eradicate the political regime currently in place, then "the games begin" this war will spur many more, and cause more terroist attacks on US and foreign soil. there won't be any more "safe havens" i'm waiting for all those who were screaming at the top of their lungs "kill em all, let god sort em' out" to start expressing extreme angst and disspleasure as events unfold any day now. first ol' Wyatt told us "this will be a short war, 2, maybe 3 days." "We Will Strike With Shock-N-Awe" well, i'm plenty "shocked" he had the nerve to misslead his own people, and i'm not "awed" by the performance or stratedgy thus far. neither Wyatt, or Doc did enough homework on the mentality of the culture group in iraq before deploying their forces. iraqis that migrated to jordan during the gulf war are now heading back to iraq to fight for their homeland. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

as i mentioned earlier in the thread, good canopy piloting skills was a key factor in helping him survive this one, point being, hone your canopy skills. more often than not, an overlooked aspect of our sport. Ron makes a valid point as well, if you have diving, severe line twists, chop it. and of course we all know elipiticals are more prone to twists because of bad body position at deployment, especially at high wing loads. when i chopped my Cobalt 170^2 at the same DZ, the twists were so severe my risers were spun up, thank goodness for hard housings, easy pull, one hand. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

we don't know this wasn't "reverse psy ops" the BBC is probably the most reliable news source here in saudi, with sky news coming in second. CNN is a joke. Al Jazeer is "skewed" to say the least, although part of th UAE, they are "stradling the fence" --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

Genie: i respect your thoughts. but the nuculear weapons, if utilized will not be "in rataliation of a hated leader" if utilized, it will be to bring an "abrubt end" to the war. don't get me wrong, i've always said we shouldn't be there. but now that we are, we must do what we have to. the statistics from hiroshima and nagasaki speak volumes for human loss of life, but the iraqis know what we have, and they know we may use it. it would be to their advantage to "force our hand" by deploying WMD on our troops just to "vilianize" the US and coalition fighters in the world community knowing we could use nuculear weapons in retaliation. that said, iraq knows that if they use chemicals, we might follow up with nuculear weapons. it was my prediction at the onset of the invasion that this war may culmanate with such atrocious and destructive events. it's sad, but true. if the iraquis had any sense at all, they would simply "throw down their weapons" and submit to a superior adversary. but as you've said, and i've said a gazillion times, these people don't think in a rational manner, they are "anshala" --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

that makes 2 of us. that said, my views on us being in iraq under the conditions we are, are common knowledge here in these forums. i had a pretty good idea we would be "painted into a corner" thus my reasoning for not wanting to utilize armed forces without UN consensus, but now that we have done so, we must do what we said we would, or lose our credibility forever, thus reducing our clout as a dominant "world power". (not to mention we could send a powerful message to north korea and china at the same time) i hate to say it, but to kill the snake, we must cut it's head off first. thousands of innocent civilians must die for this war to stop now. i never bought into the ruse which ol' Wyatt "sold this war to us on" 2-3 days my ass. this reminds me of his father saying "read my lips, there will be no new taxes" 2 weeks later...BAM! --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

Hiroshima, Nagasaki...."Little Boy" worked like a charm. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"