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  1. What is the tally killed by cops this year... do you guys keep score??? how many local cop shops are there in America? do you keep count? If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone
  2. Judge Dread LIVES at your local cop shop I repeat, hyperbole much??? If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone
  3. I think the number of death by cop in any one year far exceeds ALL DEATHS by skydivers/base jumpers in ANY discipline... Judge Dread LIVES at your local cop shop Hyperbole much? If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone
  4. Hyperbole much?????? Pot, meet kettle... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone
  5. My son is an attorney with a corporate law firm in Portland; they have 40-45 lawyers on staff. He is going to ask the managing partners if he can defend some of these people pro bono. He has 6 yrs experience as a prosecutor / criminal defense attorney. There are a number of other lawyers at his firm wanting to also do a pro bono defense; but since they have no courtroom experience, they are asking him if he will brief/assist them if & when they go to court. I did raise him to think for himself. Jerry Baumchen Sorry Jerry, but I hope he loses spectacularly and they either go to jail or are fined into bankruptcy. Sorry Clint.... but I see you are just not a fan of the OTHER parts of the constitution.... funny about how many compassionate conservatives seem to have a severe hypocrisy built into what it is they have that they are calling patriotism. The constitution has a few more components than just the 2nd amendment..... I have always take to heart that oath I once took to support it.... ALL OF IT. I may not agree with the actions of those who protest but I certainly love their right to voice their opposition to corporatism.... I do believe that is our right as Americans. I get the right to free speech, and the right to association, etc. but they don't have the right to block legal commerce, as far as my reading goes. And I would have them charged individually and as a group for it. The have the right to protest. And they have the responsibility to pay for whatever it cost for them to protest. If it's $10k per hour, then so be it. Yup ....... and have every right to a defense in a court of law with competent representation. But the corporations ( by way of their owners desires ) do have a tendency to pile on to get their way since they paid people to write the laws the way they want them. again, no question that they have the right to a defense. That doesn't mean they should get their defense for free. Mind you, that doesn't stop their lawyers, if they go to court and win, from asking for some lawyer's fees from the other side - but they should have to make their case based on the law. And even if they win, if they can't prove entitlement by law, they shouldn't get costs. In my mind, that would mean they would have to prove malicious prosecution or something... Since this isn't a lawsuit, but a prosecution for law-breaking in that they were restricting commerce illegally. If they don't win, they definitely shouldn't be entitled to costs... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone
  6. Not a very convincing dodge to the question. Don In the case of your example, I would have no problem, all things being equal, with giving the guy a gun permit after he got out, if he was not the one who committed the murder. If however, he was a violent felon who drove a getaway car in an armed robbery, that's a different story. If it was a violent felon driving a getaway car in an armed robbery where someone was killed, then no, he shouldn't get out. If it was similar to your more passive example, he shouldn't have been convicted. In that case, I would suggest the problem is not gun control, it is your justice system. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone
  7. Is this how Canada deals with people convicted of murder? I don't think so. In the US you can easily be convicted of murder without actually killing anyone. All you have to do is be a party to a crime in which someone ends up getting killed. Example from where I live: college kid asks his friend for a drive so he can pick up some weed, a small amount for personal use (not dealing). At the buy, the person selling the weed instead pulls a gun and robs the college kid, then shoots him. Friend brings college kid to the hospital but college kid is already dead. Friend is charged with felony murder because he drove the college kid to the drug buy, and is sentenced to life (with the possibility of parole after 25 years). Do you think the friend should be executed for what he did? Locked up for life and never let out? Back to the background check issue, there are a lot of crimes less than murder that still suggest a person should not be allowed to own guns for at least a significant amount of time after their release. Would you say that every person convicted of brandishing a weapon during a robbery should be executed, or locked up for life? If not, then they will be released one day and we still have the issue of whether or not they should be allowed to walk into a gun shop and buy whatever they want. rushmc is OK with that, what do you think? Don Again, Bill is the one who specifically brought up convicted murderers. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone
  8. to me the question here would be = what is a convicted murderer doing out in society anyway - as far as I'm concerned a convicted murderer should be in jail. Or have been executed. http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=3 *In 2006 an estimated 69% of all persons convicted of a felony in state courts were sentenced to a period of confinement–41% to state prison and 28% to local jails. *State prison sentences averaged 4 years and 11 months in 2006. *Men (83%) accounted for a larger percentage of persons convicted of a felony, compared to their percentage (49%) of the adult population (not shown in table). *Most (94%) felony offenders sentenced in 2006 pleaded guilty. Section 1. Felony Sentences in State Court *State courts sentenced an estimated 1,132,290 persons for a felony in 2006, including 206,140 (or 18% of all felony convictions) for a violent felony (table 1.1). A drug crime was the most serious conviction offense for about a third of felons sentenced in state courts that year. *In 2006 an estimated 69% of all persons convicted of a felony in state courts were sentenced to a period of confinement—41% to state prison and 28% to local jails (table 1.2). Jail sentences are usually a year or less in a county or city facility, while prison sentences are usually more than a year and are served in a state facility. *Among persons sentenced for a felony in state courts nationwide in 2006, an estimated 27% received a probation sentence with no jail or prison time. Four percent of felons were not sentenced to any incarceration or probation, but received a sentence that included fines, restitution, treatment, community service, or some other penalty (for example, house arrest or periodic drug testing). *State prison sentences averaged 4 years and 11 months in 2006 (table 1.3). Persons convicted of a violent felony received the longest prison sentences in 2006, compared to property, drug, weapon, and other felonies. *Felony sentences to jail averaged 6 months (table 1.3). Among felons who were sentenced in state courts to probation and no incarceration, the average probation sentence was 3 years and 2 months. *Life sentences accounted for less than 1% (0.3%) of the 1.1 million felony sentences in state courts during 2006 (table 1.4). However, among the estimated 8,670 persons sentenced for murder or nonnegligent manslaughter that year, 23% received life in prison. *Among the estimated 460,000 persons sentenced to prison via state courts, 0.8% received life sentences (table 1.4). Bill specifically said convicted murderers. If convicted murderers being out on the street is the reason for your gun laws, the convicted murderers should maybe be in jail... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone
  9. Funniest thing I've read in a long time. Is that your expert opinion on how things work in africa? If I had to guess I'd say you've never been to africa, and probably never stepped out of the united states. OK I'll bite. What's your "expert" opinion and basis for saying he is wrong? What he said was true of Southern Africa - based on growing up there with relatives and friends who ran game ranches (for hunting). Non hunters made up the bulk of tourists, but like tandems it was the hunts that brought in the big money. ... My opinion is based by the fact Cecil, the Lion we're talking about was killed by a hunter that payed a lot of money to a professional hunter that organizes those hunts. Do you really believe any of that money went to conservation? Do you believe it's the only time this has happened? Do you believe the local authorities have no knowledge of people having done this before? Also, there's a big difference between zimbabwe and south africa. If those big amounts of money were all going to conservation, there would not be private hunting ranches. Those ranches exist because the owners make loads of money. Animals lare ured or taken from national parks to fenced ranches. Same for the money paid in permits for safaris, treks, etc, it is notoriously known money is stolen and diverted for personnal gain. Only a tiny fraction is being used for what it should. I've been to africa, my g/f lived in Kenya and is a biologist and currently a professional guide in eastern africa. Corruption is rampant, crimes go unpunished and while there are some exceptions, many animal populations are not doing very good. as the article he quoted clearly stated, it was BECAUSE of private hunting ranches that the white rhino was pulled back from the brink of extinction. The fact it doesn't work in some areas says more about those areas than it does about the system of private hunting ranches... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone
  10. My son is an attorney with a corporate law firm in Portland; they have 40-45 lawyers on staff. He is going to ask the managing partners if he can defend some of these people pro bono. He has 6 yrs experience as a prosecutor / criminal defense attorney. There are a number of other lawyers at his firm wanting to also do a pro bono defense; but since they have no courtroom experience, they are asking him if he will brief/assist them if & when they go to court. I did raise him to think for himself. Jerry Baumchen If I had a corporate law firm, I'd probably consider that corporations depend on the rule of law to do business. So if someone in my law firm wanted to represent law breakers pro bono, I'd probably say no. But that's just me... Not that they shouldn't have a defense. But they should have consequences for their actions, and paying for that defence is part of it. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone
  11. My son is an attorney with a corporate law firm in Portland; they have 40-45 lawyers on staff. He is going to ask the managing partners if he can defend some of these people pro bono. He has 6 yrs experience as a prosecutor / criminal defense attorney. There are a number of other lawyers at his firm wanting to also do a pro bono defense; but since they have no courtroom experience, they are asking him if he will brief/assist them if & when they go to court. I did raise him to think for himself. Jerry Baumchen Sorry Jerry, but I hope he loses spectacularly and they either go to jail or are fined into bankruptcy. Sorry Clint.... but I see you are just not a fan of the OTHER parts of the constitution.... funny about how many compassionate conservatives seem to have a severe hypocrisy built into what it is they have that they are calling patriotism. The constitution has a few more components than just the 2nd amendment..... I have always take to heart that oath I once took to support it.... ALL OF IT. I may not agree with the actions of those who protest but I certainly love their right to voice their opposition to corporatism.... I do believe that is our right as Americans. I get the right to free speech, and the right to association, etc. but they don't have the right to block legal commerce, as far as my reading goes. And I would have them charged individually and as a group for it. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone
  12. to me the question here would be = what is a convicted murderer doing out in society anyway - as far as I'm concerned a convicted murderer should be in jail. Or have been executed. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone
  13. From this evenings news: - Two people were arrested. The guy who padlocked himself to the railroad bridge and one kayaker who attacked the LEO's who were trying to move him out of the way. - 13 kayakers have been cited for blocking a waterway - And the Coast Guard & DOJ are considering charges against the 13 people who were hanging from the bridge Jerry Baumchen good. I hope they get charged. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone
  14. You said he may have drawn his gun in case he needed to enforce compliance. So, since the gun merely being drawn doesn't yet count as enforcing compliance, what would he have done with his gun to enforce compliance if not point it at the guy? If a cop was drawing a gun while interacting with me, that would be enforcing compliance. he doesn't have to point it at me. Merely putting his hand on it would reinforce to me that I'd better pay attention. The fact that the driver didn't pay attention is what led to the rest of the problem, IMO... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone
  15. What???? That kind of "logic" could be used to justify killing anyone, any time. Don not at all - it does however justify NOT ALLOWING THE DRIVER TO LEAVE without further investigation, which is what the cop was attempting to do. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone
  16. The scenario Georgia Don articulated here " Do you think people should have to have a driver's license at all to drive on public roads? If people do have to have a license, and this fellow did not have one on him, what should a cop do? Just let him drive off? Assume he has one but just forgot it at home? Around here, if you are stopped and don't have your license on you, you get a ticket and have to call someone to come and pick you up, you are not allowed to continue driving. It's a nuisance, if you did just forget your license, but what is the alternative (in your opinion). BTW if you did just forget your license you have to go to the sheriff or police station and show it and they will cancel the ticket, another inconvenience but preferable to the alternatives IMO. " is exactly what happened to my wife. She was pulled over for going 5 km/hr over the limit going down a hill, and ended up calling me to bring her paperwork. Are you saying she should have just driven away. Incidentally, I don't really see the guy being black as necessarily being relevant. My wife is white - she got pulled over and asked for paperwork. Are you saying if a white guy had acted the same way when pulled over the cop would have done something different? I don't see how. Yes, it may not have been smart to reach in the car, but once he did and the guy started moving, he was in danger... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone
  17. If you got that from my post, that says more about you than it does about what I wrote... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone
  18. the problem I have with this, is the individuals should be fined as well. Not some anonymous organization, but the people carrying it out as well. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone
  19. I was going to say it, but Georgia Don beat me to it. What if the guy is suspected of being drunk now? Let him go? In the video he just handed the guy a bottle of gin off the floor in front of his feet. You don't think that's reason for search? If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone
  20. First 'in anger' doesn't mean the same thing as 'while angry'. Second, you're a scary guy! No one, not even the police, should be pointing guns at people to emphasise compliance. You only point guns at people you might need to shoot. If he was waving a gun at someone he had no cause to shoot and it accidentally went off, that's still murder. I didn't say point it at the guy, and I didn't say he was waving it around. I said the guy was being antsy, and his job was to get to the bottom of the situation, and get the guy out of the car... If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone
  21. source? They get far more revenue in Africa from tourists who shoot pictures of the animals than they do from the few rich men shooting the animals with weapons. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone
  22. Ok, but the thing about that is that no matter what the motivation or intention it's still all the cops fault. He learned into the car, he initiated a struggle, he fired his weapon. In any other situation, for anyone but a cop, if you point a gun at someone in anger and it goes off, you're a murderer. how do you figure he drew his gun in anger? from what I can see the guy was attempting to drive away and he reached into the car to attempt to shut it off. He may have drawn his gun then in case he needed to enforce compliance. Once the guy started moving, he was in danger of harm, and he shot the guy... I see no indication whatsoever that he drew the gun in anger. I see he drew it to emphasize compliance (getting compliance is his job, as I see it). If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone
  23. Interesting side note - George Adamson was murdered by poachers in ('89 I believe) while attempting to stop them from attacking a tourist. His wife Joy had been murdered separately (they lived apart at the time) some years earlier, but I think over a dispute with a former employee. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone
  24. maybe the fact that there are lots of bears, but lions are becoming scarce. also I don't think they're luring bears out of a protected game reserve. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone
  25. didn't look like murder to me. maybe manslaughter or negligent homicide, but the cop was in danger, so I don't think he set out with any intent to murder someone on that shift. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone