Future of wingsuit able to fly up?

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Im Giselle 24 im brazilian/portuguese zoologist specialized in birds, paraglider and hanglider pilot also studying aerodynamics.



I will do my first post in this forum, im not a wingsuit pilot i will just mention the experience ive got with what ive been tro if i speak nonsense please corretct me, im here to learn! and hopefully fly wingsuit one day.



Since when i was a child i dremt about flying, having my own wings and soon i discovered hangglider, was amazing flying in the same position as the birds, but carring a hanglider of almost 40kg wasnt an easy job so i gave up and started paragliding, fun, easy to fly, very light 15kg all equipament can go fly walking. but the position is of the pilot is a bit strange for me, im just sitting under a wing! i dont feel im flying like i would like to.





When i saw the wingsuit few years ago i was amazed, i just couldnt believe in my eyes, was everything i wanted, have my own wings and fly like a bird going wherever i want using my own arms! but still something missing would arrive a time in the evolution of the wingsuit that we could soar and fly up?



Paragliders come from parachutes, the first pilots who started taking off from hills with bigger parachute trying to fly up on the lift winds they were called crazy by others skydivers and now paragliders have glide of 13:1 able to climb over 4000 meters with velocity of 70km/h in the latest prototypes and it is well established sport growing numbers of pilots higher each year.

look this video the beggining of paraglider how they look like!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWbPWh1nDnU



When a new idea comes up, will be always the ones who gonna criticize like when Santos Dumond said he was going to fly in airplane around the Eifeel Tower and people at that century laughed on him! and he did it and today we have airplanes. But for our sake and human sake this beautifull minds never gave up after being criticized



Same way was with hanggliders, many died trying to make it become a reality and many criticized saying it will never fly up this is just peace of wood and fabric! also when hang gliders were sucessefull some of their pilots critized paragliders saying that PG was just parachute and will never fly! so will be always the ones who gonna say a wingsuit will never be abble to land or fly up like HG and PG.



But i strongly think wingsuit will fly up and landing soon just give it time, and hope that the designers improve the wing span using another materials for arm extension. Also depends how the definition of the winsuit gonna be! it worries me because in the past the same mistake happened with other aircrafts! Too much definition can stop the development!





I visit this forum for a few years, reading trying to absorb some knowledgement, and one day i read in in a topic one wingsuit pilot saying the setence " wingsuit will never be able to fly up and soar in a lift, humans body were not design to fly we are heavy and we need a very big wing to be able to fly etc...."



I strongly disagree with this setence, all earth animals have a same ancestral and we still have a strong link with birds etc... the way we move our arms is the same way the birds move their wings, they developed light and longer bones but it doesnt mean we couldnt work in a bit larger wing span to compensate our a bit heavier bones, and also we could work in an extention of our wingsuit wing with something light and strong like carbon! another example could compare mamals big Bats like Pteropus vampyrus they got over 1.80meters of wingspan and they skeleton structure is very close to humans and they can soar using lift and thermals just like eagles and falcons do.





Look on this video a 80kg pilot 90kg equiped flying up on the lift with a mini 13meters paraglider depends how strong is the wind and in that wind i believe a 10meter wing will still flying up on the lift and 10m is not far from the modern winsuit? is that right?


now imagine u flying in your wingsuit in the cost in strong wind for as many hours as u want like that little paraglider.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7mqTpBwtsE




i have some ideas of wingsuits, like make the augumentation of the wing, using carbon fiber, something u can hold in your hand incresing the wing span, just like a seagol/falcon, increase the aspect ratio, increase lift.

Modern wing suits already have enought tail, in my opnion no need more tail but wing span increase! using light material as extension of our arms.



Watching a wingsuit pilot flying ona stealth2 is like watching a bird with long tail and small wings gliding, birds like that dong have much control in the air because its short wings, in the other way birds wing long wing span resonable medium tail have an amazing control in flight.



Birds use their tails to increase drag, reduce velocity and land, they open the tail and bring it down increasing the drag and reducing the velocity, so they land safe, we just need to copy them, wingsuit pilots need to using their tails in the same way to reduce velocity and increase drag while he uses the wings on arms to control the direction and stall, thats the way i see the future of landing wingsuits ....

hope i didnt said much nonsense correct me if im wrong i would love to learn more...

Good flights for u all and wingsuit gonna make history!

sorry for my english its not my 1st language.

Giselle

Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

[VideoFly 0]

With enough speed, perhaps about 150 knots, I've seen wing suiters fly up on exit out of a Casa, which is a rear tailgate aircraft.

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With enough speed, perhaps about 150 knots, I've seen wing suiters fly up on exit out of a Casa, which is a rear tailgate aircraft.

Hi Videofly, the horizontal wind doesnt affect much if u go up or down but the important is the vertical air ( wind)that go up and down this one that makes u fly up.

There are basically 2 ways the air goes up, on well known thermal that paragliders, hangliders, sailplanes, birds of pray etc using to go up between 0.1m/s up till registered 15m/s up.

The second way is the Lift, the wind come horizontal hit the face of the montain and after hit it goes up in vertical creating a wave of lift in front of the montain where PG, HG,SP and birds can soaring for hours and hours strong is the wind higher u gonna be... this little computer simulation can show how it works..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obFjdhPdYLA&feature=related

and here is in real life how it works.. the wind here is about 18knots

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7mqTpBwtsE

increase 1 more meter in each arm of wing span and im sure soon we will be in the soaring for many hours as we want...

Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

[Sangi 0]

We are not strong enough to hold big wings..

There are so many things that prohibit us from flying like birds...

Let's be realistic, mostly likely in the future we're going to be flying with something like Yves Rossi has, but not like birds, super slowly gliding and landing in mega sized wingsuits..

"Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean

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We are not strong enough to hold big wings..

I agree with u, same way we couldnt hold our arms under a hang glider or a paraglider but the harness was invented and now we just lie down confortable under our wings.

Dont u think the designers could creat something in way wingsuit pilots could hold their arms open with long span wingsuits without too much efforts?

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There are so many things that prohibit us from flying like birds...

Like what kind of things?

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Let's be realistic, mostly likely in the future we're going to be flying with something like Yves Rossi has, but not like birds, super slowly gliding and landing in mega sized wingsuits]

Did u know that much more u increase the Aspect Ratio of a wingsuit much slower at speed it gonna be? when u increase Aspect Ratio u increase Glide but not velocity! thats why Yves fly so fast because his jets and his wing with very low aspect ratio. Wing with low aspect ratio have very hight speed but fall very quicly. wings like yves use will be never able to fly up wihout jet engines. but the wingsuit could easily with increase of wingspan/Aspect Ratio

Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

[mccordia 74]

Its always the people on the sidelines knowing how it should all be done different and/or better...

Get in the game, play it, learn how it works and like all of us playing, enjoy the slow evolution every single second of the way, instead of trying to push it towards the finishline.

Though its a great destiny, Im really enjoying being on the the road

JC
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Its always the people on the sidelines knowing how it should all be done different and/or better...

One day in the past mccordia the designer of the wingsuit u currently fly or sell he tought diferent and/or could do better and isntead of fall he could creat something to fly and they did it.

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Get in the game, play it, learn how it works and like all of us playing, enjoy the slow evolution every single second of the way, instead of trying to push it towards the finishline.

I live in london is there a school of wingsuit flyers in the Uk or i have to be a skidiver first?
To be honest i would like to fly on a wingsuit not fall like a rock from the plane!

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Though its a great destiny, Im really enjoying being on the the road[;)

Took Ages untill paragliders and hanggliders designers realize how important was to increase the AR for an increase of glide, it took almost 20 years!

I dont want wait 20 years or be too old to be able to soar and fly up on a wingsuit, i really wish the wingsuit designers work on it as soon as possible so we can enjoy it soon...tho the x bird and stealth 2 are doing good so far!

Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

[mccordia 74]

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One day in the past mccordia the designer of the wingsuit u currently fly or sell he tought diferent and/or could do better and isntead of fall he could creat something to fly and they did it.

If thats the way we are talking...
You first have to learn how to fall, and have the guts to fall, before are able to take it a step further and fly...

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I live in london is there a school of wingsuit flyers in the Uk or i have to be a skidiver first?

The first post on the forum has all that information.
But yes

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To be honest i would like to fly on a wingsuit not fall like a rock from the plane!Unsure

It takes the freefall skills to make the wingsuit FLY.
Most people that get into wingsuit premature, tend to fly a wingsuit like a rock from a plane. Big leaps are best taken in small steps..

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Took Ages untill paragliders and hanggliders designers realize how important was to increase the AR for an increase of glide, it took almost 20 years!

I dont want wait 20 years or be too old to be able to soar and fly up on a wingsuit,

Imagine you'd been born at the start of 1900, and said you'd rather wait untill you could fly to the edge of space, instead of grabbing the chance to make a silly, slow, wobbly flight, barely staying aloft.

It didnt take ages to realise...it took ages to develop the skill, knowledge, and background required to fly at the standards of these days (in that dicipline/sport).

You cant rush the evolution of a dicipline by saying you dont have patience. But why rush to the cumshot, when the actual sex leading up to it isnt all that bad either..

Click 'dropzones', find an airport nearby...and get your groove on!

JC
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[gisellemartins 0]

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***If thats the way we are talking...
You first have to learn how to fall, and have the guts to fall, before are able to take it a step further and fly...

I will do.

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I live in london is there a school of wingsuit flyers in the Uk or i have to be a skidiver first?

The first post on the forum has all that information.
But yes

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To be honest i would like to fly on a wingsuit not fall like a rock from the plane!Unsure

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It takes the freefall skills to make the wingsuit FLY.
Most people that get into wingsuit premature, tend to fly a wingsuit like a rock from a plane. Big leaps are best taken in small steps..

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Imagine you'd been born at the start of 1900, and said you'd rather wait untill you could fly to the edge of space, instead of grabbing the chance to make a silly, slow, wobbly flight, barely staying aloft.

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it didnt take ages to realise...it took ages to develop the skill, knowledge, and background required to fly at the standards of these days (in that dicipline/sport).

You cant rush the evolution of a dicipline by saying you dont have patience. But why rush to the cumshot, when the actual sex leading up to it isnt all that bad either..

U cant make this comparacion, doenst make sense because the part we gliding is the best part at least for me! and i want it last foreve

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Click 'dropzones', find an airport nearby...and get your groove on!

I will have a look on it. thanks

tho dont tell me u dont want to see developement on the the wingsuit?

or u like to wait 3 years for new model and when it comes out with almost same features as before with no significant increase of glide? perfomance etc..? after im licenced and experienced enough i would love to get a steath 3 with 4 meters wing span with a new tecnology that i cant keep my arms open easily without too much efforts etc wouldnt u like it?

Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

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Pteropus vampyrus they got over 1.80meters of wingspan and they skeleton structure is very close to humans

Uh, What!?

You think?

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Look on this video a 80kg pilot 90kg equiped flying up on the lift with a mini 13meters paraglider depends how strong is the wind and in that wind i believe a 10meter wing will still flying up on the lift and 10m is not far from the modern winsuit? is that right?

Well, it's about 10 times bigger for a start, and massively more efficient in shape. depends what your definition of 'far' is, I guess.

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Did u know that much more u increase the Aspect Ratio of a wingsuit much slower at speed it gonna be? when u increase Aspect Ratio u increase Glide but not velocity! thats why Yves fly so fast because his jets and his wing with very low aspect ratio. Wing with low aspect ratio have very hight speed but fall very quicly. wings like yves use will be never able to fly up wihout jet engines. but the wingsuit could easily with increase of wingspan/Aspect Ratio

I don't understand. Why on earth do you think it would be impossible for Yves to increase the AR of his rigid wing but easy for wingsuits, where the inflatable wing is kept in place by the body?

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I dont want wait 20 years or be too old to be able to soar and fly up on a wingsuit, i really wish the wingsuit designers work on it as soon as possible so we can enjoy it soon..

Soaring is great fun. Wingsuiting is also great fun, but it is different, and probably will be for quite some time. If you want to fly wingsuits, go for it, I can almost guarantee that you'll love it. If you want to stay on the sidelines and moan that the manufacturers aren't making anything good enough to fulfill your perfect fantasy dream then you can do that too, but it probably wont be as satisfying.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Pteropus vampyrus they got over 1.80meters of wingspan and they skeleton structure is very close to humans

Uh, What!?

You think?

The skeleton is not the same as i said before of course we both diferent species, but we have many similiarities and this similiarities that makes us able to glide on a wingsuit as we do nowadays...

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Look on this video a 80kg pilot 90kg equiped flying up on the lift with a mini 13meters paraglider depends how strong is the wind and in that wind i believe a 10meter wing will still flying up on the lift and 10m is not far from the modern winsuit? is that right?

Well, it's about 10 times bigger for a start, and massively more efficient in shape. depends what your definition of 'far' is, I guess.

Its not 10 times bigger not if u compare with the xbird and stealth2 and 1 more meter in each arm wing of this 2 wingsuits, yes we gonna be very close! probably able to soar in very strong wind.
Also the paraglider Airfoil is not much better as the leading edge is made of 40mg fabric can be wrinkled diferent from leading edge of a wingsuit thats your arm much more aerodonimic ( tonysuits are working on foam on the leading edge make really good)

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Did u know that much more u increase the Aspect Ratio of a wingsuit much slower at speed it gonna be? when u increase Aspect Ratio u increase Glide but not velocity! thats why Yves fly so fast because his jets and his wing with very low aspect ratio. Wing with low aspect ratio have very hight speed but fall very quicly. wings like yves use will be never able to fly up wihout jet engines. but the wingsuit could easily with increase of wingspan/Aspect Ratio

I don't understand. Why on earth do you think it would be impossible for Yves to increase the AR of his rigid wing but easy for wingsuits, where the inflatable wing is kept in place by the body?

I never said was impossible to him increase the AR on his wing!! where did u read it? i said it was impossible for him to fly up without jets on his currently wing because its very short AR.
It is VERY possible for him to increase his wing AR, if he wants more glide, but in is case he is not interested as he got 4 jet turbines to do this job.

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Soaring is great fun. Wingsuiting is also great fun, but it is different, and probably will be for quite some time. If you want to fly wingsuits, go for it, I can almost guarantee that you'll love it. If you want to stay on the sidelines and moan that the manufacturers aren't making anything good enough to fulfill your perfect fantasy dream then you can do that too, but it probably wont be as satisfying.

Sure im gonna start winsuit, ive been looking forward to it...

Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

[mccordia 74]

I love advances in wingsuit flying, and am even so lucky I sometimes get to try/test stuff before others do.

But I'd rather fly todays technology, and enjoy each babystep forward, over theoretical leaps and bounds we see here every 100 or so threads when 'the future' or 'landing a wingsuit' comes up again.

Unless we're starting with radio-active exposure and genetic modification, I think the development course most designers are on is more realistic and enjoyable than the proposed alternatives.

But if you grow Pterodactyl fingers and hollow bones..do give a shout
Its amazing fun to talk 'what if' but thats all it is for now...and Im not gonna sit around and do nothing untill it comes true.

Gliding at 2.5 to 3.0 and some even brief climbing after high speed stucca dives, may be the best possible for now...but I have no problem enjoying that...

JC
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I agree with u, same way we couldnt hold our arms under a hang glider or a paraglider but the harness was invented and now we just lie down confortable under our wings.

So basically what you're saying you just want to create a mini hang glider / paraglider with a wingsuit shape..

Size matters, I doub't you can make a small wingsuit with a harness that would efficiently glide (be able to get altitude and maintain it) the same as a big hang glider or paraglider..

"Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean

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I love advances in wingsuit flying, and am even so lucky I sometimes get to try/test stuff before others do.

But I'd rather fly todays technology, and enjoy each babystep forward, over theoretical leaps and bounds we see here every 100 or so threads when 'the future' or 'landing a wingsuit' comes up again.

Unless we're starting with radio-active exposure and genetic modification, I think the development course most designers are on is more realistic and enjoyable than the proposed alternatives.

But if you grow Pterodactyl fingers and hollow bones..do give a shout
Its amazing fun to talk 'what if' but thats all it is for now...and Im not gonna sit around and do nothing untill it comes true.

Gliding at 2.5 to 3.0 and some even brief climbing after high speed stucca dives, may be the best possible for now...but I have no problem enjoying that...

I also wont sit around and wait till the day we can glide it up, i will enjoy what we have now and 3:1 is not that bad!


But i dont need a pteros fingers to have long wingsuit wing span, how about a long light flexible carbon fiber coming from your back inserted inside the leading edge of the wing in contact with your arm, where u can handle it in the way u want? have u tought about that??

I will pattent it soon when i start designing my own wingsuit

Jokes apart but there are many ways we could increase the wingspan in a wingsuit

Safe flights to all

Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

[mccordia 74]

Those 'advances' are called hang-gliders, sailplanes and parachutes...rigid extentions, or part of the body hanging underneath the wing..quite awesome

The first people flying wingsuits did use dowels, hard ribs etc...lots of succes-stories in that department

JC
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But i dont need a pteros fingers to have long wingsuit wing span, how about a long light flexible carbon fiber coming from your back inserted inside the leading edge of the wing in contact with your arm, where u can handle it in the way u want? have u tought about that??

We can, but here's the problem. Pterosaurs such as Hatzegopteryx have one huge advantage over us... their flight equipment is part of their muscular/skeletal structure. Coordination is pre-programmed into them. Flight would be as natural as us picking up a pencil.

I'm not one to say anything is impossible, but our skeletal structure ends at the tips of our fingers, so for us to extend beyond that, if history is any lesson, we would need to have some mechanism which makes the required motions as natural to us as it would be for the Pterosaur.

We're making strides in intellgent exoskeleton technology, but making something capable of flight would be orders of magnitude more complex... and expensive.

Wingsuits and an airplane are a pretty fun, cost-effective way of getting the "I'm a bird!" sensation.

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We can, but here's the problem. Pterosaurs such as Hatzegopteryx have one huge advantage over us... their flight equipment is part of their muscular/skeletal structure. Coordination is pre-programmed into them. Flight would be as natural as us picking up a pencil.

I'm not one to say anything is impossible, but our skeletal structure ends at the tips of our fingers, so for us to extend beyond that, if history is any lesson, we would need to have some mechanism which makes the required motions as natural to us as it would be for the Pterosaur.

We're making strides in intellgent exoskeleton technology, but making something capable of flight would be orders of magnitude more complex... and expensive

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I strongly Disagree with u, there is nothing to do with Coordination pre-programmed and intelligent exoskeleton in our case we dont need it at all!

Birds the supreme animals in the air have complete control of the air in their feathers just look how the kestrel ( Falco tinnunculus ) fly stopped in the air like a helicopter and they dont have any conection with the end of their feathers. The same feeling they feel it is the same feeling when u hold an airfoil outside the wind of your car in moviment. Once the feathers is all grown there is no more feeling, there is no blood circulation, what feeling birds got in their feathers is the same as the feel u have in your own hair.

we humans have an amazing hability to feel what is in our hands, even big distance away from us, as long as we are in touch with it, i can feel every moviment and presure on my paraglider transmited to the line brakes to my hands and the paraglider is 7meters away from me. If im not able to feel the wind pressure on my paraglider it will sofer a colapse very quick and i would be in trouble! we paragliders pilots keep working on pressure of the glider by the brake lines all the time to dont let it colapse!



In my view a thin light flexible peace of carbon fiber starting from back of the pilot spanwise passing through the arms and increase the wingsuit span in more 1 meter in each wing will bring such an amazing perfomance glide, slow speed and big possible soaring and landing.
We would be perfectly able to feel the wind passing through the extend arm wing. if u want to make a test just get an airfoil ( maybe a little wing from a little RCplane or even a thin book and hold it out of the windown of your car in moviment, u can feel exactly whats going on with the wind in the airfoil (object) passing through your hand and fingers.

Giselle

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I strongly Disagree with u,

Our practical word IS a lot more fun (and real) than your proposed fictional developments
Disagree you may....but our physique is more that of a ground hugging hippo, than the light boned and purpoise build glider-body of a prehistoric dinosaur

A sugarglider/flying squirel..heck..even some tree-snakes and ants already have us beat for glide..lets take a step back and first try and equal that before we're gonna take on actual flying critters

JC
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Birds the supreme animals in the air have complete control of the air in their feathers just look how the kestrel ( Falco tinnunculus ) fly stopped in the air like a helicopter and they dont have any conection with the end of their feathers. The same feeling they feel it is the same feeling when u hold an airfoil outside the wind of your car in moviment. Once the feathers is all grown there is no more feeling, there is no blood circulation, what feeling birds got in their feathers is the same as the feel u have in your own hair.

You don't seem to have much appreciation of the incredible subtlety, complexity and precision of the control that those birds have over their wings and flight feathers.

You can't just expect to strap on a bit of carbon and be able to do the same thing...

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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You don't seem to have much appreciation of the incredible subtlety, complexity and precision of the control that those birds have over their wings and flight feathers.

You can't just expect to strap on a bit of carbon and be able to do the same thing...

In What moment did i say we would be able to do exactly the same thing as a kestrel?

Our colegue said we wouldnt have feelings of the wing in our hand and we would need exoskeleton. and i said we would have feeling just like the birds do, but i didnt said he would stop in the air like the kestrel helicopeter!


Right... after about 10 coments where the pilots really think the wingsuit will not be able to develop and fly, ive seen that most wingsuit pilots seems still thinking like a skydiver... but not like a pilot and maybe with a bit short view etc.... i was expecting a completely diferent reaction!

The wingsuit wing gonna develop (i hope) but also the pilots actitude could be more positive! just like on handgliding and paragliding u are the marketing u are the one who keep the factories alive when u buy your wingsuit, u need think further and have positive feelings about the developemnt of the wingsuit u have to propose new ideas, talk with colegues and try see what could be done to help!

I will start my course soon hopefully gonna visit a windtunnel to improve my skills first...

Hopefully see u all in the Air....

Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

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What you are describing is really a small hang glider and not a wingsuit.

Wingsuits generate most lift with the body, not the arms. Is must be this way because we cannot hold ourselves up by the arms; we do not have the massive chest muscles it would take to do it. Adding a rigid frame that passes from wingtip to wingtip would allow the pilot to hang from it and would be the only way to stay in that position for the extended periods you dream of.

But I agree with others who say that control of that rigid wing while locked inside of it would be difficult. Hang gliders are suspended underneath the wing and can use that distance to build leverage to control the wing with weight shift (as you know).

It would also be a challenge getting a 3-4m wide wing out of an airplane. Some sort of central pivot like the F-14 had would be necessary. Base jumps would probably be the only way to use such a system.

With a rigid wing you would lose most what makes wingsuiting wingsuiting, the ability to quickly re-shape your wings, from complete collapse to full flight, to achive the flight mode you wish. Very close proximity flying, including grabbing onto another wingsuiter, would also be lost.

I hope someone does develop such a system someday and has success, but I doubt it would replace what we have now.

Seth

It's flare not flair, brakes not breaks, bridle not bridal, "could NOT care less" not "could care less".

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What you are describing is really a small hang glider and not a wingsuit.

No its not a Hang glider as the proper name says in a hang glider u hang under a wing, in this case will be a proper wingsuit because u not hanging under a wing, the wing come from your arms with carbon extention just like vampire3 same wing tip its used on wing tips but longer.

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Wingsuits generate most lift with the body, not the arms. Is must be this way because we cannot hold ourselves up by the arms; we do not have the massive chest muscles it would take to do it. Adding a rigid frame that passes from wingtip to wingtip would allow the pilot to hang from it and would be the only way to stay in that position for the extended periods you dream of.

But I agree with others who say that control of that rigid wing while locked inside of it would be difficult. Hang gliders are suspended underneath the wing and can use that distance to build leverage to control the wing with weight shift (as you know).

I dont think that the control would be dificult as im talking about a flexible carbon fiber not rigid one that u can not move, have a look around and see how a thin flexible carbon fiber works, its a new tecnology and works wonderfull in paragliders and hangliders, its really light and flexible.

take a look here the guy explain how this new carbon tecnology can be used he also have a piece on his hands showing it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE2Da9lUWOg

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It would also be a challenge getting a 3-4m wide wing out of an airplane. Some sort of central pivot like the F-14 had would be necessary. Base jumps would probably be the only way to use such a system.

U cant say that when they even didnt develop the tecnology yet, how about a possible conection point in the back of the pilot would be a flexible joint that allows u put your arms and the carbon fiber back next to your body allowing you dive or make the wing smaller to get out of the plane easily? this joint is perfectly possible and easy to do.

We cant judge something we did not have time to work with it yet, give time for the knowledge find ways to shape it in the way is better for us!

Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

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[Sangi 0]

Well I see you talk a lot about this, seems you're passionate and want it to happen, so how about you go out and try to achieve this mhm?

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I agree with u, same way we couldnt hold our arms under a hang glider or a paraglider but the harness was invented and now we just lie down confortable under our wings.

Dont u think the designers could creat something in way wingsuit pilots could hold their arms open with long span wingsuits without too much efforts?

Yes, and then it would not be called a wingsuit. It would be called a wing apparatus, or whatever you want to name it. A suit is something you wear... to the scale of your body.

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Yes, and then it would not be called a wingsuit. It would be called a wing apparatus, or whatever you want to name it. A suit is something you wear... to the scale of your body.

we could call it.........a hang glider

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