kansasskydiver 0 #1 April 1, 2004 I hooked up my suit last night and was going over my EP's and went to simulate getting out of my wings if I needed to. I waved off, simulated linetwist and grabbed my arm wing cutaways then pulled. The right wing came off but the left didn't. I tried again and it didn't come out. I'm sure I could have gotten it but wanted to inspect what was happening. I took off the suit and made sure I had started with the body tab, skipped the 3rd wing tab and did 2 body tabs in a row. Everything looked fine, but on the ground the cable came out fine. My ony guess is that the cable was rubbing on my hip ring? but I didn't think I had gotten it wrong. I hooked it up again and did it a couple more times just fine... Anyone have any insights to what may have caused this? The cables seem to "stick" a little bit. Should I take care of this with a light coat of sewing machine oil, or is this not recommended on a ws cutaway system? I just wanna make sure I'm good to go for my first flight and that I have everything hooked up properly and that kinda freaked me out, but I haven't been able to recreate the situation nor was it stuck on the ground<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #2 April 1, 2004 just a question, on Birdman suits the handles are quite low and you have to pull them like in front/up... Is there a possibility that if you pull the handle less in front and more upwards, the cable would have a very important bend and maybe cause that kind of problem ??? before going jumping 1st time with my Sfly, I was "taught " a method to catch the handle with one hand and pull it sideways... tried it, only the left wing opened... due to the bend, the right one did not... hopefully I was on my sofa to try it... after that did the course with BABYLON and was instructed to catch it with 2 thumbs and push the arms forward, they then cut directly...scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kansasskydiver 0 #3 April 1, 2004 they seem to "stick" quite a bit no matter the direction i pull. Out in front and up, off to the sides etc, that's why I'm curious if I should use just a little bit of oil to lube them like with my normal cutaway handle on my rig.<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #4 April 1, 2004 ask a rigger or people at BM, but maybe it's better to put this silicone riggers use on cutaway cables rather than oil...scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 3 #5 April 1, 2004 Just like your cutaway cables on your rig, you need to keep the cables on your suit clean and slick. I wouldn't hesitate to put some WD40 on them. Also, make sure you are pulling down/out and away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 3 #6 April 1, 2004 Another thing: your arm handles are not your first course of action in a spinner, your zippers are. I can unzip in the same amount of time it takes to pull those handles. Your handles get used when you jam a zipper or blow a wing out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmfreefly 0 #7 April 1, 2004 I am assuming that you had the velcro 'peeled' when you encountered the problem, right? If not, velcro can be much different release forces whether you peel (pulling the velcro directly apart) or pull in 'shear'. Assuming this isn't the problem you are citing, cables can definitely bind, and there are 'better' strip techniques and 'worse' strip techniques. But that being said, unless you are a monkey with long arms, you are going to be pulling in a direction that is at least 90 degrees perpendicular to the wing seam. It is always going to be harder than pulling the cable along the line of the wing seam (since you are pulling in a direction that increases the force on the tabs). I, personally, would not lube those cables with anything but a dry, teflon based substance (there are lube sprays that dry and leave only a thin film of teflon). And even then, less is better. Geting oil/lube/etc. on your suit can be a mess I think. j Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kansasskydiver 0 #8 April 1, 2004 QuoteAnother thing: your arm handles are not your first course of action in a spinner, your zippers are. I can unzip in the same amount of time it takes to pull those handles. Your handles get used when you jam a zipper or blow a wing out Thanks for that pointer. I'm really trying to get familiar to all the parts of the suit and different situations. I'll practice on that one today.<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #9 April 1, 2004 QuoteI wouldn't hesitate to put some WD40 on them. Umm, isn't WD40 nylon incompatible, because it contains petroleum distillates? Wouldn't you want "food-grade silicone lubricant" instead? -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BBKid 0 #10 April 1, 2004 I'm being dumb here, but when you cutaway on a wingsuit (cut the wings I mean), do they actually get separated completely, or just on one side? Nick --------------------------- "I've pierced my foot on a spike!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #11 April 1, 2004 Are you pulling your arms out to the front of your body or to the sides when you pull the cutaway handles?"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #12 April 1, 2004 QuoteJust like your cutaway cables on your rig, you need to keep the cables on your suit clean and slick. Quote And don't forget straight. For most people it is not a concern but I have inspected suits in the field where the cut away cables are routed on the wing tab instead of the body side tab where the main lift web and laterals go through the wings. In a few instances the cables have taken a set, in some cases its a hard set of almost 90 degrees. These cables have no " hard housings" to keep them straight. If you route them on the body side when passing the omitted tabs they have a better chance of staying straighter than the wing side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kansasskydiver 0 #13 April 2, 2004 QuoteAre you pulling your arms out to the front of your body or to the sides when you pull the cutaway handles? Down and then to the sides in an upward motion... Is that not right?<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LouDiamond 1 #14 April 2, 2004 Try pulling up on the loops and to the front once and then try up and out to the sides and tell me which one worked best for you . I am thinking you may have something funky going on with your cable routing."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kansasskydiver 0 #15 April 2, 2004 QuoteTry pulling up on the loops and to the front once and then try up and out to the sides and tell me which one worked best for you . I am thinking you may have something funky going on with your cable routing. will do so. It only happen once and when i took it off to see what was wrong it was fine. Is is possible it was rubbing up against my hip ring? I'll go put back on my suit tonight after I pack and see what it does. I put 2 jumps on the suit today and didn't have a problem with anything. I don't have a basis of comparison really, but I think the cut corners really help a lot. The 2nd jump was just awesome!<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
kansasskydiver 0 #13 April 2, 2004 QuoteAre you pulling your arms out to the front of your body or to the sides when you pull the cutaway handles? Down and then to the sides in an upward motion... Is that not right?<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #14 April 2, 2004 Try pulling up on the loops and to the front once and then try up and out to the sides and tell me which one worked best for you . I am thinking you may have something funky going on with your cable routing."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kansasskydiver 0 #15 April 2, 2004 QuoteTry pulling up on the loops and to the front once and then try up and out to the sides and tell me which one worked best for you . I am thinking you may have something funky going on with your cable routing. will do so. It only happen once and when i took it off to see what was wrong it was fine. Is is possible it was rubbing up against my hip ring? I'll go put back on my suit tonight after I pack and see what it does. I put 2 jumps on the suit today and didn't have a problem with anything. I don't have a basis of comparison really, but I think the cut corners really help a lot. The 2nd jump was just awesome!<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
