dragon2 0 #1 February 23, 2004 I only have done a couple CReW camera jumps so far, and one solo freefall camera jump with a lineover I have like 40 BM jumps so far (no logbook handy). I plan on doing a LOT of BM jumps this year. I have 460 jumps total. What would you say I need to do before starting filming BM? Rules here say I have to have 200 freefall formation jumps to do freefall camera jumps (I can do camera hop'npops tho, hence the CReW), right now I still need like 40, so starting sometime this summer I should be allowed to start freefalling with my camera's. I don't flatfly much, so if I wanted to film that, best thing I suppose would be to LEARN to flatfly first, taking up lots of time & money I'd rather spend doing BM, CReW and freefly (in that order). . Freeflying I'm not really very good at yet, I can do decent head-up, but no head-down. I suppose I could bring my camera's along in sit-fly jumps... So, anybody have any advise? ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voodew1 0 #2 February 23, 2004 What would you say I need to do before starting filming BM? Start with a side mount camera helmet with no still--- Add the still later--video cameras have gotten so small you hardly know its there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 0 #3 February 23, 2004 QuoteWhat would you say I need to do before starting filming BM? Start with a side mount camera helmet with no still--- Add the still later--video cameras have gotten so small you hardly know its there. I was told that sometime before, forgot about it tho, thanx. Of course, since I started out doing CReW, I own a TRV25 and have a top-mount helmet (which since it is a modified pro-tec needs replacing anyway, but a PC camera is so much $$$$) ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #4 February 23, 2004 Top mount it... I'm getting away from using my Sidemount and getting a topmount for this season. I had a few riser strikes on opening last year due to the extra violent opening and my head getting tossed around so much. Be able to take docks and fly a steady, stable base. After that off you go. 40-50 BM flights is when I tossed the camera on too.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #5 February 24, 2004 QuoteWhat would you say I need to do before starting filming BM? Things to consider before adding a camera or anything else. You need to be very confident with your deployments. If you're having stability problems on deployment or hard openings from not slowing down you need to work on those areas. Master flying efficiently before adding a camera. Once you add a camera be it side/top or stills, you will find yourself flying in a less than efficient position to keep the subject in frame. Being able to turn or cant your head to the side without inadvertently turning or diving is important as it is also a safety issue. If you're still feeling overwhelmed with everything you must do on a Birdman flight then you might also want to consider waiting until you are more comfortable. Deployment and post opening procedures should be second nature before you add a camera to the mix. A note of the UTMOST importance that everyone who films or wants to film Birdman flights needs to know. The "best"position for filming Birdman flights is also the most dangerous place you can be on a flight. Placing yourself above and slightly behind a birdman puts you,the cameraman, in the path of not only the burble of the Birdman but the path that a canopy will deploy in. An inadvertent throw, no wave off or an accidental deployment can potentially kill the cameraman in this position. There has already been one such incident and the cameraman was caught up in the lower Birdman's canopy. It was pure Lucky for both that the cameraman was able to clear the canopy off of himself and deploy his own canopy. I am currently working on an article specifically on this subject and will share it as soon as it's done."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #6 February 24, 2004 I would like to read that as soon as you get it done... unless you want me to proofread...Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCARYPERRY 0 #7 February 24, 2004 Also be aware that as people look at you from side,most will turn toward you,be ready,you will also have to learn to "fly blind",with fast pace,you have to look up,spilling air and trying to sink from subject,all you can do is hope they drop down on put your chin on your chest,slight dive and gain altitude,dont fly into subjects as you come back up,remember to raise head,you sinkOnly he can be happy,who can make his the present hour,for today he has lived Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 0 #8 February 24, 2004 QuoteYou need to be very confident with your deployments. If you're having stability problems on deployment or hard openings from not slowing down you need to work on those areas. The Matter suit I jumped gave me all kinds of small problems at and after deployment time, but with my Classic (besides the first couple jumps) all deployments are on-heading, line-twist-free and not too hard. QuoteMaster flying efficiently before adding a camera. Check. QuoteOnce you add a camera be it side/top or stills, you will find yourself flying in a less than efficient position to keep the subject in frame. Being able to turn or cant your head to the side without inadvertently turning or diving is important as it is also a safety issue. OK I can practice that, I think I can move my head around freely now but I'll check this close to somebody else. QuoteIf you're still feeling overwhelmed with everything you must do on a Birdman flight Never did Which may be why I may not be allowed to go jump BM camera without first doing other freefall camera work.... Quotethen you might also want to consider waiting until you are more comfortable. Deployment and post opening procedures should be second nature before you add a camera to the mix. It is. QuoteA note of the UTMOST importance that everyone who films or wants to film Birdman flights needs to know. The "best"position for filming Birdman flights is also the most dangerous place you can be on a flight. Placing yourself above and slightly behind a birdman puts you,the cameraman, in the path of not only the burble of the Birdman but the path that a canopy will deploy in. An inadvertent throw, no wave off or an accidental deployment can potentially kill the cameraman in this position. There has already been one such incident and the cameraman was caught up in the lower Birdman's canopy. It was pure Lucky for both that the cameraman was able to clear the canopy off of himself and deploy his own canopy. You talking about something that happened at my DZ? Or another such incident..? QuoteI am currently working on an article specifically on this subject and will share it as soon as it's done. OK cool. thanx.... ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #9 February 24, 2004 I have now approx 150 video jumps, I dream of taking my camera along for a wingsuit flight... but I can't fly it well enough to bring back pictures... Maybe 4 suit jumps is not enough. Hope that before the end of the summer I feel the thing better scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCARYPERRY 0 #10 February 24, 2004 I have over 500 wingsuits about half with cameras on.It is very hard to fly clean with all that on head,remain still and fly,just keep flying and you will get some shots,be relaxed and take your timeOnly he can be happy,who can make his the present hour,for today he has lived Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #11 February 25, 2004 will wait... till the day I really feel it. Thanx for the advicescissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 0 #12 February 25, 2004 Quoteso starting sometime this summer I should be allowed to start freefalling with my camera's. I thought you filmed the 372-way attempts?www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #13 February 25, 2004 maybe she recorded it on TV ?? scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 0 #14 February 25, 2004 Nah, I did the website, and shot ground footage and from the planes. No freefall camera work yet and definately not something like that! Edited to add: although come to think of it, standing in the landing area may be just as dangerous! Right, eh, left hand circuit? Whatwasit? Whaddayamean I can't hook? Watch out!! ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #15 February 25, 2004 must have been a great job though. congrats anyways for having been there, and seen it LIVEscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 0 #16 February 25, 2004 Thanx And yeah, it was definately WAY WAY COOL Also nice was meeting a couple people I've seen here on dropzone (thanx, billvon ), and the camera crew was great as well. Some of those I knew because I'm with our national skydiving magazine, but only by email, so now we have seen each others faces So, next step, learn how to fly And how to land in between 671 other people So, anybody else with a nice event that needs a website..? Hint hint...... ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #17 February 25, 2004 so you were working with Bruno then ?? I just love the way this guy flies and takes pics/video and his book is awesomescissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 0 #18 February 25, 2004 Yeah, among others. He borrowed my still camera for a bit but it had the same problems as his.... BTW If you ever think about downsizing or getting a faster canopy, watch him with that Spectre! MAN that is so amazing. Cool thing, out of 10 camera persons, there were 4 jumping Spectres. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #19 February 25, 2004 he must be one of the fastest Spectre flyers... edited for precision : his loading is far more than 1.1 (maybe around 1.8 or someting...) big boy with a small toy scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
