velocityphoto 0 #51 January 18, 2009 If you are flying close enough for a 10mm lens, then you are putting yourself and the other your filming in a danger zone (tandems & aff) I know this from my experience with a camera flyer 1st hand. Its way to close to be with tandem . There is absolutely no need to fly that close to a tandem! Especially with your experience level. A friend will bail you out of jail , a REAL friend will be sitting next to you in the cell slapping your hand saying "DUDE THAT WAS AWSUM " ................ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMFin 0 #52 January 18, 2009 IMO with a cropped sensor 10mm is great for tandems since you can get nice "on the door" photos with it. Actually I think 8mm might work even better, but for all the other shots it would bee maby too wide in my opinion. I dont think you can get these pictures with the 15mm. In the air the focal lenght doesnt matter so much since you can always choose the distance you like to shoot from. Personally I like to dock on the students for a while and this close the 15mm FOV is too narrow with the 1.6 crop factor. I think you might get very nice results with for example a 50mm and very large aperture, but framing would be more difficult and exit shots might be very difficult to nail nicely. "On the door" photos would be impossible. The bokeh would be very nice though. What I do a lot of times is that I shoot 10mm in the beginning and later on a may set it to 22mm in freefall and shoot on my back from a slightly further away. Also landing shots work better @22mm. If I was shooting FF I would definetly get the 15mm though.. EDIT: forgot to add that I definetly dont think Im putting anyone at risk when flying at docking distance and shooting with the 10mm. I dont know where velocityphoto gets this idea from.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
velocityphoto 0 #53 January 18, 2009 Are you a tandem instructor? A friend will bail you out of jail , a REAL friend will be sitting next to you in the cell slapping your hand saying "DUDE THAT WAS AWSUM " ................ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMFin 0 #54 January 18, 2009 Quote Are you a tandem instructor? No, I am not a tandem instructor. I guess you are, and therefore it qualifys you to tell me I am unsafe. Thanks for that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
velocityphoto 0 #55 January 18, 2009 Are you aware of the different types of rigs and openings? A friend will bail you out of jail , a REAL friend will be sitting next to you in the cell slapping your hand saying "DUDE THAT WAS AWSUM " ................ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #56 January 18, 2009 I dock with TI's from time to time including 3 different Tandem Examiners.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
velocityphoto 0 #57 January 18, 2009 Your level of experience is way more than this guys too. I dock on tandems myself .I have not done it for awhile though since i'm the one with the passenger a lot lately. :) A friend will bail you out of jail , a REAL friend will be sitting next to you in the cell slapping your hand saying "DUDE THAT WAS AWSUM " ................ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markovwgti 0 #58 January 18, 2009 in the few jumps i id with TI's they always gave me the hand signal to come in and then they put their hands out to dock onto them! I have no problem hanging out wherever i want in the jump but hey if they offer a dock ill take it!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ozzy13 0 #59 January 19, 2009 Quote in the few jumps i id with TI's they always gave me the hand signal to come in and then they put their hands out to dock onto them! I have no problem hanging out wherever i want in the jump but hey if they offer a dock ill take it!! Hey you shouldn't even be jumping with Tandems until you have 500 jumps Never give the gates up and always trust your rears! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
velocityphoto 0 #60 January 19, 2009 And a tandem rating ? :) A friend will bail you out of jail , a REAL friend will be sitting next to you in the cell slapping your hand saying "DUDE THAT WAS AWSUM " ................ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markovwgti 0 #61 January 19, 2009 oops sorry havent updated my jump numbers ;) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ozzy13 0 #62 January 19, 2009 Quoteoops sorry havent updated my jump numbers ;) LOL don't lie just to be accepted MakroNever give the gates up and always trust your rears! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,447 #64 January 19, 2009 >Have you jumped with the 15mm on the XTi? I jumped one today with an XSi and liked it a lot. The fisheye perspective takes some getting used to (I usually use a rectilinear 10-22mm) but you can always convert it back if you like. Some samples below. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markovwgti 0 #65 January 19, 2009 nice pics!!! What did you like more about the XSi specifically Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ozzy13 0 #66 January 19, 2009 Quote>Have you jumped with the 15mm on the XTi? I jumped one today with an XSi and liked it a lot. The fisheye perspective takes some getting used to (I usually use a rectilinear 10-22mm) but you can always convert it back if you like. Some samples below. Nice shoots. I cant wait to use mineNever give the gates up and always trust your rears! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laszloimage 0 #67 January 19, 2009 The best lens for tandems is the Canon 70-200mm L f2.8 IS...see the sample shots Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,447 #68 January 19, 2009 >What did you like more about the XSi specifically Small, light, fast/deep burst shooting, SD card is a bit easier to use for me than a CF, 2.5mm shutter release works well also. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbwing 0 #69 January 19, 2009 15mm with a full frame sensor can be fun as well... Not my usual set up, but this was a chance to experiment as she wasn't a paying customer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
velocityphoto 0 #70 January 19, 2009 Awesome shots of the exits man! I love it . What were you shooting as far as zoom go's or were you zooming in as they left? Nice depth of field. Are you still shooting your 5d or did you get hold of a mark 2 5d yet? A friend will bail you out of jail , a REAL friend will be sitting next to you in the cell slapping your hand saying "DUDE THAT WAS AWSUM " ................ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laszloimage 0 #71 January 19, 2009 I started to follow with the zoom as they left. Not that easy from the door though. I didn't have the budget for the 5D mkII yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flymelonfilms 0 #72 January 19, 2009 Nikon 15mm with a flash Nikon SB800 Juan "MELON" Mayer www.JuanMayer.com [email protected] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guscabana 0 #73 January 19, 2009 Che, Melon, don't confuse the people Nikon doesn't make a 15mm, that's Canon... And your pic is with the Nikon 10,5 fisheye for APS sensors, which gives the same angle than the Nikon 16 fisheye with a full frame. Personally, I agree: the 16 or 15 mm lenses in an aps camera is the perfect lens for tandem and almost everything else... They are equivalent to a 19 mm in a Nikon or around 20mm in a Canon. I hear over and over that is like a 24, but its not, because they are 15 or 16mm fish eye, not rectilinear... Also, in an aps camera you can tape an UV filter in front to protect it. Degrade the quality a bit, specially against the sun, but for me is worth don't need to worry about scratching the lens, and I can clean it over and over, change it once a year, and have a perfect front element all the time... Just my 2 patacones... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,447 #74 January 19, 2009 To go back to the original question, though, the stock 18-55mm lens that comes with the Canons is not all that bad for tandems. When zoomed all the way out it's a bit narrower than most video cameras with a .5 lens on front, but it's acceptable quality, cheap and light. The Perris school uses half a dozen of these on older APS-C cameras (original Digital Rebel etc) with good results. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flymelonfilms 0 #75 January 20, 2009 Che Gustavo, Im not using Canon. And yes, sometimes I use the Nikon 16mm fisheye, depend what I want. On the last post I make a mistake about what kind of lense I used. Like Gustavo said, I took that photo with a Nikon 10,5mm fisheye Sorry guys if I confuse somebody! Juan "MELON" Mayer www.JuanMayer.com [email protected] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
