SSkydiver 0 #1 March 17, 2003 What exactly is phycho packing and where in the hell can i get a Hornet 150? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b1jercat 0 #2 March 17, 2003 Call ralf at western parachute sales, he'll hoke you up with the canopy and the video. blue skies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steellex 0 #3 March 17, 2003 Checkout the following link for psycho packing: http://precision.aerodynamics.com/psycho/psycho_pack.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SSkydiver 0 #4 March 17, 2003 QuoteCall ralf at western parachute sales, he'll hoke you up with the canopy and the video. blue skiesBy chance have the # or e-mail address. I tried the website but it say "can not find" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stik 0 #5 March 17, 2003 Ralphs Number is 800 200 jump. I ordered a Hornet two weeks ago and he had a bunch more coming in when I talked to him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fudd 0 #6 March 17, 2003 The Hornet is out of production, but you can maybe still get one from some dealers that got it in stock. PISA that made the Hornet has merged with Aerodyne systems. I've heard that the Hornet is replaced by Aerodynes Pilot. Psycho packing is a different way to bag the canopy and is easier on new ZP canopies. However, PISA and Aerodyne use a different ZP fabric than e.g. PD that is not so slippery. I have no problem bagging my brand new Hornet 170 into my container that is sized for a 150. I do a regular pro-pack. Psycho packing clicky:http://precision.aerodynamics.com/psycho/psycho_pack.htm I would recomend having someone who do psycho pack show you how. Ask around at the DZ. I think you might want a bridle extension to prevent burns on the fabric from the bridle. Do a search on the forums. Psycho vs. propack has been widely discussed. There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #7 March 17, 2003 There's no real need to psycho a hornet - it opens nice as it is and is easy to bag even when new. I have psycho'd mine a few times, but now I just pro pack, don't roll the nose, and make sure the slider is exposed. Opens in about 700 feet.____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevin922 0 #8 March 17, 2003 QuoteThere's no real need to psycho a hornet - it opens nice as it is and is easy to bag even when new. I have psycho'd mine a few times, but now I just pro pack, don't roll the nose, and make sure the slider is exposed. Opens in about 700 feet. I pro pack my hornet but roll the 4 cells on each side into the middle.. not rolling the nose at all gave me some pretty hard openings and rolling all the cells together didn't work very well either Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fudd 0 #9 March 17, 2003 I just fold the 4 cells on each side once into the middle and leave the center cell open. Only got 5 jumps on my hornet so far, but it has opened consistantly each time. Had one linetwist on one, and a half on another one, but that's more probably because of the way I stowed the lines. Not looking at the pilot and deployment from the moment I throw it would probably help to, and give me a better body position when I dump. I just like to see that pilot all the way There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
totalwreck 0 #10 March 17, 2003 I agree about not needing to psycho pack a Hornet. My Hornet 170 (purchased new) was the first ZP canopy I packed and I was able to handle it just fine from the start. And like the above posts, I've found that it opens sweet simply by folding in the four cells on either side. Good luck -- Hornets are great canopies! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #11 March 17, 2003 I agree on all your agrees about psycho packing the hornet.. I pro my 150 and have NO problems at all w/ it...and yes I too give the nose a couple loose rolls!!! jasonFreedom of speech includes volume Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stilettodude 0 #12 March 18, 2003 Psycho-Packing should rally be called "Psycho Bagging" The only difference between a normal Pro-Pack and Psycho-Pack is how its put into the bag. P.D. has a little info on this. www.performancedesigns.com Philip "HOW LOW CAN YOU GO?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brianthomas1966 0 #13 March 18, 2003 i don't roll the nose, and mine takes 1000-1200 feet to open. took me a while to get used to it opening. Brian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #14 March 19, 2003 Quotei don't roll the nose, and mine takes 1000-1200 feet to open. It's probably closer to 500-600 feet. My psycho-packed Stiletto snivels forever, but I have yet to get one over 800 feet (usually 500-650), and that was on a pack job that was 3-weeks old. I was just about to give up and go for a cutaway if a final tug of the risers hadn't brought the slider down. What most people think is 1000+ feet of snivel is usually caused by your altimeter playing catchup. Also, don't forget that as soon as the bag starts opening and the canopy comes out you are slowing down and not eating up altitude as fast as you were in freefall. KrisSky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brianthomas1966 0 #15 March 19, 2003 you need to jump my sniveling hornet! i count the time it takes to open the end cell closures Brian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #16 March 19, 2003 You're on! But only if you pack it and if I can to wear my camera helmet so I can keep it on my alti.Kris Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #17 March 19, 2003 My Hornet opens briskly, and I have been spanked by it a few times. It's fairly new and has the big slider. I started psycho packing to tame the openings, but my neck still hurts from a recent slammer opening (that was psycho-packed). I'm thinking maybe I wasn't slowed down all the way coming out of a track, but I should have been, since I always spend a lot of time waving off. At any rate it has me thinking about what could have gone wrong. I psycho-pack and roll the nose both. Openings are still quite fast, without loosening up all my teeth at pull time. I know this is unusual because most Hornets open fairly soft. I talked to another girl though, who had her Z-1 ripped off her head, from a hard opening under a Hornet. She and her rigger husband tried various ways of packing it, but still had trouble getting it to open softly. They eventually sent it back to Ralph. I like most of my openings, and was even bragging about how much nicer it opened since I started psycho-packing, but this recent hard opening again has me speculating as to what happened. I'm a very neat packer, with tight stows. The slider is all the way up. The first two stows I use a tandem rubber band. Maybe I was still moving too fast, coming out of a track. I'll watch that more closely in the future. Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brianthomas1966 0 #18 March 20, 2003 why sure. are you going to Hinton this weekend? I'm not sure that we'll be there yet. ttyl Brian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #19 March 20, 2003 Cody and I will be out of town on Saturday and I'll be in Tulsa on Sun so we'll hook up later. I'll PM you with info. KrisSky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racer42 0 #20 March 20, 2003 Western Parachute has a shipment on the way. My Hornet 190 is pro packed and has been very good to me. I have had one medium spank from it, but that might have been slider placement. It seems to average a fairly short snivel. I would not want to be anything but belly down on opening though. It's really a nice canopy for the price. It's my first ZP and it has some excellent flight characteristics. Very predictable.L.A.S.T. #24 Co-Founder Biscuit Brothers Freefly Team Electric Toaster #3 Co-Founder Team Non Sequitor Co-Founder Team Happy Sock Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
