AMax 0 #126 July 1, 2006 Quote ... Oh yeah and thanks to the guy who sent me the PM on how to do the fancy shmancy in repy to thing! LOL ... even guys like you learn something new on this forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #127 July 2, 2006 If anyone noticed the Russians just posted a 24.1 this week, so they may be more of a contender for first than they have been getting credit for.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattM 0 #128 July 2, 2006 QuoteOn a lighter note the camera guy for Team Paraclete had a malfunction today. Nothing crazy, just lines twists however he has just purchased an HD video camera so it may be the first HD captured cut-away! He should have it posted wherever you are supposed to post that sort of thing shortly. I kicked the wrong way - idiot. I love lamp. Matt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #129 July 2, 2006 I just went and looked at the draw for the Russian nats, and that draw had nothing but fast written all over it, I'd be curious to see Fire and Sinapsi do that same draw.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #130 July 2, 2006 QuoteI just went and looked at the draw for the Russian nats, and that draw had nothing but fast written all over it Lets see ... B-18-N-12 22-11-C M-13-E-21 8-1-20 3-2-10 F-K-6-19 indeed, nothing but fast ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4wayFly 0 #131 July 2, 2006 I think the following were pretty fast rounds: H O G 9 M 13 E 21 15 D 17 5 7 P J Q A 16 F K 6 19 It was definitely not sluggish...although there were a coupla slower rounds for sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 0 #132 July 2, 2006 QuoteEver come to Raeford I will buy you a can of Schlitz Is that a threat or a promise? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #133 July 3, 2006 indeed, nothing but fast ... Quote Airspeed, Fire, or Sinapsi probably would've done even higher, so yeah i'd say that's a pretty dam fast draw, I just spoke with Kirk about it a few hours ago and he agreed it was one of the fastest he had ever seen. Even the fastest draws have a few slow rounds built in. You also might want to rethink your list, i'd consider M 13 E 21 pretty fast. On another note, I have a little more news from the frontlines of the World Meet. Kirk was in Denver all weekend running a tunnel camp so I drove up today to say hi and wish him luck next month. While I was there I asked him if Airspeed had done that 8 round draw that the French recently did, he said that they had and finished a few points shy of the French unfortunately. So like I've been saying we definitely have a battle on our hands next month, but I still think we can pull it off before Croatia Airspeed had never done above a 20 in training and they pulled it out at the WM then, I got faithHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TalbertGK4 0 #134 July 3, 2006 QuoteSo like I've been saying we definitely have a battle on our hands next month, but I still think we can pull it off before Croatia Airspeed had never done above a 20 in training and they pulled it out at the WM then, I got faith Great when they have to be! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 7 #135 July 3, 2006 QuoteSorry if this is driving you crazy, Ron. Next time you (or anyone else) asks my views on the matter in person I'll tell you exactly what I think, but I prefer not to attach my name to a web discussion, it can bite you on the ass for all the wrong reasons, as I'm sure you know. It would be impossible to ask you in person since you hide behind a screen name. See the irony? "I'll tell you in person, but I will not tell you who I am." QuoteAs it stands I'm glad to have had this friendly chat with you, it has been most interesting. You are just like a little terrier with a bone, always searching for that final, elusive piece of flesh. Ah, so since I wish to know how you claim to know all the things you claim to know....You insult me? Nice to know what type of person I was dealing with, even if I can't know who it was. If you are afraid to stand behind your views....Maybe you should just keep them to yourself? Honest and open discussions can not be had when one person hides under a false identity. If you are afraid of repercussion of your views....Maybe you should keep them quiet, instead of hide?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Alienangel 0 #136 July 3, 2006 Ahhh. My point exactly. Although yes, it is somewhat ironic. Perhaps should our paths cross, and the conversation come up, we can talk with real faces and no false fronts, other than the usual. I didn't mean to insult you, it was meant in jest. You are certainly nothing but tenacious, surely a great quality in a competitor. All the best AA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stevehamiltonxl 0 #137 July 3, 2006 Hey Ron, For fiddy bucks I'll tell you who AlienAngel is........... Hey AlienAngel, For a hundred I won't tell Ron......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #138 July 3, 2006 For two hundred I won't tel anyone who anyone is, but I will stand on my head and drink beer til it comes out my nose. Just though I'd throw that offer on the table And Talbert, you're right, competition brings out the best in Airspeed, i'll bet if they ere eally in a meet when they did that 8 rounder they would've crushed it. Looked what happened to them at the last world cup, they flew harder than they ever had in training.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stevehamiltonxl 0 #139 July 4, 2006 Ron, sorry bro, the Angel just put a cheque in the mail, my lips gotta stay zipped ! Anyway, back to the original "who's it gonna be?" thread that started a couple hundred pages back..... Following on from Mr Talbert's comments, the teams that win will have trained hard, trained smart, have unwavering self-belief, natural talent, passion, determination and a fire in their eyes that blinds them to any other possibility than standing on the top step......if all else fails and there is more than one team that can get all these stars aligned on the day, well some old-fashioned good luck might just make the difference. That's the exciting thing about competitions like this , we just don't know for sure. But when the dust settles and some will have achieved their dreams and others not, they're all still winners since they've all busted their balls (or not, but I'm not gonna get into the gender thing ) to give their best. There's a great quote by Mr Roosevelt about those in the arena, so us armchair critics can speculate all we want but we'll just have to wait for a few more weeks to watch it all unravel, and maybe be inspired to get into the arena ourselves. I'll be at the meet and what I do know is that several friends and a couple ex-teammates will have some shiny metal-work jangling around their necks...I just hope they let me touch it Now, where's my popcorn and icecream........... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 24 #140 July 4, 2006 QuoteRon, sorry bro, the Angel just put a cheque in the mail, my lips gotta stay zipped I havent received any such cheque. You know where to find me AA! Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Alienangel 0 #141 July 4, 2006 How about a cocktail for you and the lovely wife instead? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #142 July 4, 2006 Well what about me, I know this guy, who knows someone, that dated a girl, who was related to Alienangel's dogsitter's roommates best friends psychic consultant. So I expect a check tooHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #143 July 4, 2006 and now, back on subject, GO USA!!!History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gaillou 0 #144 July 5, 2006 allez les bleus!!! (transl. : Go France )Guillaume French 4-way & 8-way suporter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #145 July 5, 2006 allez les bleus!!! (transl. : Go France ) Guillaume Quote FOR SHAME!!!!!!History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skreamer 1 #146 July 7, 2006 How many of you can say you were at AA's wedding? Both him and his husband looked great. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 24 #147 July 7, 2006 QuoteBoth him and his husband looked great AA is gay??? Actually, that brings some interesting mental images....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #148 July 15, 2006 Kirk was in Denver all weekend running a tunnel camp so I drove up today to say hi and wish him luck next month. While I was there I asked him if Airspeed had done that 8 round draw that the French recently did, he said that they had and finished a few points shy of the French unfortunatelyQuote I forgot to add something that Kirk said when I asked him about doing the 8 round draw, as he put the French may have scored higher but "they didn't have us in their face while they did it!" It's amazing how much confidence he has going into this with the way the odds are stacked. And BTW, it's only 3 weeks awayHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 4wayFly 0 #149 July 15, 2006 QuoteIt's amazing how much confidence he has going into this with the way the odds are stacked. Why are the odds stacked against Airspeed? They know how to be champions on the day and that's what counts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 7 #150 July 15, 2006 QuoteWhy are the odds stacked against Airspeed? Not saying they are stacked against Airspeed. But from his post "While I was there I asked him if Airspeed had done that 8 round draw that the French recently did, he said that they had and finished a few points shy of the French unfortunately" Having done the same draw and posting a lower score could be one reason why someone thinks they are the underdog. The French team has had the same group together since 2004. And they have only been three points behind Airspeed in every world meet they have attended, while Airspeed has replaced people. That could be another reason. The French beat Airspeed in 05 at the Malevsky meet. So I can see how someone could think of Airspeed as the underdogs. QuoteThey know how to be champions on the day and that's what counts Can not the same thing be said for the French, or the Russians? Love of a team should not be blind to other evidence or other opinions. I think Airspeed will win, but I understand that they could be seen as underdogs due to the reasons given."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Next Page 6 of 11 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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TalbertGK4 0 #134 July 3, 2006 QuoteSo like I've been saying we definitely have a battle on our hands next month, but I still think we can pull it off before Croatia Airspeed had never done above a 20 in training and they pulled it out at the WM then, I got faith Great when they have to be! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #135 July 3, 2006 QuoteSorry if this is driving you crazy, Ron. Next time you (or anyone else) asks my views on the matter in person I'll tell you exactly what I think, but I prefer not to attach my name to a web discussion, it can bite you on the ass for all the wrong reasons, as I'm sure you know. It would be impossible to ask you in person since you hide behind a screen name. See the irony? "I'll tell you in person, but I will not tell you who I am." QuoteAs it stands I'm glad to have had this friendly chat with you, it has been most interesting. You are just like a little terrier with a bone, always searching for that final, elusive piece of flesh. Ah, so since I wish to know how you claim to know all the things you claim to know....You insult me? Nice to know what type of person I was dealing with, even if I can't know who it was. If you are afraid to stand behind your views....Maybe you should just keep them to yourself? Honest and open discussions can not be had when one person hides under a false identity. If you are afraid of repercussion of your views....Maybe you should keep them quiet, instead of hide?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alienangel 0 #136 July 3, 2006 Ahhh. My point exactly. Although yes, it is somewhat ironic. Perhaps should our paths cross, and the conversation come up, we can talk with real faces and no false fronts, other than the usual. I didn't mean to insult you, it was meant in jest. You are certainly nothing but tenacious, surely a great quality in a competitor. All the best AA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevehamiltonxl 0 #137 July 3, 2006 Hey Ron, For fiddy bucks I'll tell you who AlienAngel is........... Hey AlienAngel, For a hundred I won't tell Ron......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #138 July 3, 2006 For two hundred I won't tel anyone who anyone is, but I will stand on my head and drink beer til it comes out my nose. Just though I'd throw that offer on the table And Talbert, you're right, competition brings out the best in Airspeed, i'll bet if they ere eally in a meet when they did that 8 rounder they would've crushed it. Looked what happened to them at the last world cup, they flew harder than they ever had in training.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevehamiltonxl 0 #139 July 4, 2006 Ron, sorry bro, the Angel just put a cheque in the mail, my lips gotta stay zipped ! Anyway, back to the original "who's it gonna be?" thread that started a couple hundred pages back..... Following on from Mr Talbert's comments, the teams that win will have trained hard, trained smart, have unwavering self-belief, natural talent, passion, determination and a fire in their eyes that blinds them to any other possibility than standing on the top step......if all else fails and there is more than one team that can get all these stars aligned on the day, well some old-fashioned good luck might just make the difference. That's the exciting thing about competitions like this , we just don't know for sure. But when the dust settles and some will have achieved their dreams and others not, they're all still winners since they've all busted their balls (or not, but I'm not gonna get into the gender thing ) to give their best. There's a great quote by Mr Roosevelt about those in the arena, so us armchair critics can speculate all we want but we'll just have to wait for a few more weeks to watch it all unravel, and maybe be inspired to get into the arena ourselves. I'll be at the meet and what I do know is that several friends and a couple ex-teammates will have some shiny metal-work jangling around their necks...I just hope they let me touch it Now, where's my popcorn and icecream........... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #140 July 4, 2006 QuoteRon, sorry bro, the Angel just put a cheque in the mail, my lips gotta stay zipped I havent received any such cheque. You know where to find me AA! Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alienangel 0 #141 July 4, 2006 How about a cocktail for you and the lovely wife instead? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #142 July 4, 2006 Well what about me, I know this guy, who knows someone, that dated a girl, who was related to Alienangel's dogsitter's roommates best friends psychic consultant. So I expect a check tooHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #143 July 4, 2006 and now, back on subject, GO USA!!!History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gaillou 0 #144 July 5, 2006 allez les bleus!!! (transl. : Go France )Guillaume French 4-way & 8-way suporter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #145 July 5, 2006 allez les bleus!!! (transl. : Go France ) Guillaume Quote FOR SHAME!!!!!!History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skreamer 1 #146 July 7, 2006 How many of you can say you were at AA's wedding? Both him and his husband looked great. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 24 #147 July 7, 2006 QuoteBoth him and his husband looked great AA is gay??? Actually, that brings some interesting mental images....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #148 July 15, 2006 Kirk was in Denver all weekend running a tunnel camp so I drove up today to say hi and wish him luck next month. While I was there I asked him if Airspeed had done that 8 round draw that the French recently did, he said that they had and finished a few points shy of the French unfortunatelyQuote I forgot to add something that Kirk said when I asked him about doing the 8 round draw, as he put the French may have scored higher but "they didn't have us in their face while they did it!" It's amazing how much confidence he has going into this with the way the odds are stacked. And BTW, it's only 3 weeks awayHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 4wayFly 0 #149 July 15, 2006 QuoteIt's amazing how much confidence he has going into this with the way the odds are stacked. Why are the odds stacked against Airspeed? They know how to be champions on the day and that's what counts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 7 #150 July 15, 2006 QuoteWhy are the odds stacked against Airspeed? Not saying they are stacked against Airspeed. But from his post "While I was there I asked him if Airspeed had done that 8 round draw that the French recently did, he said that they had and finished a few points shy of the French unfortunately" Having done the same draw and posting a lower score could be one reason why someone thinks they are the underdog. The French team has had the same group together since 2004. And they have only been three points behind Airspeed in every world meet they have attended, while Airspeed has replaced people. That could be another reason. The French beat Airspeed in 05 at the Malevsky meet. So I can see how someone could think of Airspeed as the underdogs. QuoteThey know how to be champions on the day and that's what counts Can not the same thing be said for the French, or the Russians? Love of a team should not be blind to other evidence or other opinions. I think Airspeed will win, but I understand that they could be seen as underdogs due to the reasons given."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Next Page 6 of 11 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
skreamer 1 #146 July 7, 2006 How many of you can say you were at AA's wedding? Both him and his husband looked great. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 24 #147 July 7, 2006 QuoteBoth him and his husband looked great AA is gay??? Actually, that brings some interesting mental images....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #148 July 15, 2006 Kirk was in Denver all weekend running a tunnel camp so I drove up today to say hi and wish him luck next month. While I was there I asked him if Airspeed had done that 8 round draw that the French recently did, he said that they had and finished a few points shy of the French unfortunatelyQuote I forgot to add something that Kirk said when I asked him about doing the 8 round draw, as he put the French may have scored higher but "they didn't have us in their face while they did it!" It's amazing how much confidence he has going into this with the way the odds are stacked. And BTW, it's only 3 weeks awayHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 4wayFly 0 #149 July 15, 2006 QuoteIt's amazing how much confidence he has going into this with the way the odds are stacked. Why are the odds stacked against Airspeed? They know how to be champions on the day and that's what counts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 7 #150 July 15, 2006 QuoteWhy are the odds stacked against Airspeed? Not saying they are stacked against Airspeed. But from his post "While I was there I asked him if Airspeed had done that 8 round draw that the French recently did, he said that they had and finished a few points shy of the French unfortunately" Having done the same draw and posting a lower score could be one reason why someone thinks they are the underdog. The French team has had the same group together since 2004. And they have only been three points behind Airspeed in every world meet they have attended, while Airspeed has replaced people. That could be another reason. The French beat Airspeed in 05 at the Malevsky meet. So I can see how someone could think of Airspeed as the underdogs. QuoteThey know how to be champions on the day and that's what counts Can not the same thing be said for the French, or the Russians? Love of a team should not be blind to other evidence or other opinions. I think Airspeed will win, but I understand that they could be seen as underdogs due to the reasons given."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Next Page 6 of 11 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Remster 24 #147 July 7, 2006 QuoteBoth him and his husband looked great AA is gay??? Actually, that brings some interesting mental images....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #148 July 15, 2006 Kirk was in Denver all weekend running a tunnel camp so I drove up today to say hi and wish him luck next month. While I was there I asked him if Airspeed had done that 8 round draw that the French recently did, he said that they had and finished a few points shy of the French unfortunatelyQuote I forgot to add something that Kirk said when I asked him about doing the 8 round draw, as he put the French may have scored higher but "they didn't have us in their face while they did it!" It's amazing how much confidence he has going into this with the way the odds are stacked. And BTW, it's only 3 weeks awayHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 4wayFly 0 #149 July 15, 2006 QuoteIt's amazing how much confidence he has going into this with the way the odds are stacked. Why are the odds stacked against Airspeed? They know how to be champions on the day and that's what counts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 7 #150 July 15, 2006 QuoteWhy are the odds stacked against Airspeed? Not saying they are stacked against Airspeed. But from his post "While I was there I asked him if Airspeed had done that 8 round draw that the French recently did, he said that they had and finished a few points shy of the French unfortunately" Having done the same draw and posting a lower score could be one reason why someone thinks they are the underdog. The French team has had the same group together since 2004. And they have only been three points behind Airspeed in every world meet they have attended, while Airspeed has replaced people. That could be another reason. The French beat Airspeed in 05 at the Malevsky meet. So I can see how someone could think of Airspeed as the underdogs. QuoteThey know how to be champions on the day and that's what counts Can not the same thing be said for the French, or the Russians? Love of a team should not be blind to other evidence or other opinions. I think Airspeed will win, but I understand that they could be seen as underdogs due to the reasons given."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Next Page 6 of 11 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
4wayFly 0 #149 July 15, 2006 QuoteIt's amazing how much confidence he has going into this with the way the odds are stacked. Why are the odds stacked against Airspeed? They know how to be champions on the day and that's what counts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #150 July 15, 2006 QuoteWhy are the odds stacked against Airspeed? Not saying they are stacked against Airspeed. But from his post "While I was there I asked him if Airspeed had done that 8 round draw that the French recently did, he said that they had and finished a few points shy of the French unfortunately" Having done the same draw and posting a lower score could be one reason why someone thinks they are the underdog. The French team has had the same group together since 2004. And they have only been three points behind Airspeed in every world meet they have attended, while Airspeed has replaced people. That could be another reason. The French beat Airspeed in 05 at the Malevsky meet. So I can see how someone could think of Airspeed as the underdogs. QuoteThey know how to be champions on the day and that's what counts Can not the same thing be said for the French, or the Russians? Love of a team should not be blind to other evidence or other opinions. I think Airspeed will win, but I understand that they could be seen as underdogs due to the reasons given."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
