Viking 0 #1 March 13, 2002 I was board today at school so i went to square1.com and looked through the used gear sections. This is what i found.Jav J4 450 jumps DOM 4/93PD Spectre 210 360 jumps DOM 11/00PD193R 0 jumps DOM 12/91Cypres Single Pin Expert DOM 3/95The container,reserve, and AAD are a package deal at $1800 and the Main is $900.I am about 6'3" and weight about 185-190 right out of the shower. Now what i am asking is do any of these peices of gear have problems that i should know about? For the container,reserve,aad package should i be carefull b/c of it age? I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 259 #2 March 13, 2002 I happen to know.... the container, reserve and AAD sold over the weekend. The main is an ex-Square One demo canopy.pull and flare,lisa--I'll be in the bar... you'll find me... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engovatov 0 #3 March 13, 2002 You can buy a much nicer set for $2700.Get some in-stock special container for around $900, Hornet or some PA canopy, if they still have the discount, and a new reserve, and pick up a Cypres of similar vintage for around $300, and you will end up in the same price range with a much better system.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #4 March 13, 2002 ok so a $900 container+ a $1000 main+a $1000 reserve+a $300 AAD (where in the hell are you finding an airworthy cypres at that price?!) thats $3200. Did i mention i was a jobless (at the moment, Summer job here i come) college student? I might consider a new Hornet but the container will be used. Unless i win the loto in the near future that is oh and to Lisa, DAMN!!! I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Merrick 0 #5 March 14, 2002 Man, just keep your eye on all the classifieds... my first rig was a 96' J4, 96' Sabre190, 96' PD176R, & 99' Cypress... all with about 600 jumps on it when I got it (except for the cypress & reserve of course lol). I only paid $2,100 for the entire setup! btw: I just sold that rig minus the cypress for..... $2,100! "Pammi's Hemp/Skydiving Jewelry" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmie 0 #6 March 14, 2002 You mentioned that you're in college, so there's your answer, use student loans to buy your gear, I know its kind of irresponcible, but who cares, you'll have your own rig! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #7 March 14, 2002 emmie i don't like being in dept thats why i go to a community college ($14 a credit) and pay cash for every jump. CREDIT CARDS ARE THE DEVIL!!! I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 561 #8 March 14, 2002 If you are wondering about the history of any used gear sold by Square One, ask to see the inspection report. I filled out hundreds of them when I worked there. A score of 4 or 5 means that you will get more than a thousand jumps out of the rig. A score of 3 means that you won't win fashion points, but it is airworthy.A score of 2 means that it will last another season or two. A score of 1 means don't waste your time.Other reputable lofts will provide similar inspection sheets on request. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #9 March 14, 2002 Quotei don't like being in dept thats why i go to a community college ($14 a credit) and pay cash for every jump.Not an English major, are you? Get yourself some gear, Viking! Renting will bankrupt you. I'll let the gear-gurus [cough] Lisa [/cough] give you better info than I could on what is appropriate for you. Justin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #10 March 14, 2002 "not an english major are you?" HELL FUCKIN NO!!!!!!! I am a Photography Major I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #11 March 14, 2002 Quotemy first rig was a 96' J4, 96' Sabre190, 96' PD176R, & 99' Cypress GREAT!!!! we were a little worried about you jumping the safire 189 in Derek's J4 this weekend, but you won't have any problem with the switch especially since the safire had a mod done to it that makes the flare 10x stronger, and will leave you with very soft openings.Can't wait you meet you and PamKelli Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kirils 1 #12 March 14, 2002 Have you checked out the great deals on Dropzone auctions?Skydiving is not a static excercise with discrete predictability... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #13 March 14, 2002 Deal on auctions? Last I checked ther weas nothing there to even consider.... Did you mean the classifieds?Make up your own ending,let me know just how you feel.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,435 #14 March 14, 2002 Hey Viking, if I remember your size, I may have something you can use for a while . . . it's an older Talon with a Paraflite 200 sq ft reserve. The harness is a little too big for me. It's sized for a 200-220 sq ft main. No Cypres, but should be easy to install one. If you want to use it for a while, you can - I'm not using it.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engovatov 0 #15 March 14, 2002 >the safire had a mod done to it that makes the flare 10x strongerWhat mod and who does it? Authorized by Icarus? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #16 March 14, 2002 yep authorized by icarus, designed by Derek (aka hooknswoop)http://www.jumpergirl.com/safire.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engovatov 0 #17 March 14, 2002 > yep authorized by icarus, designed by Derek (aka hooknswoop)Thanks. Sounds interesting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #18 March 15, 2002 bill you sir freakin rock!!!! I am planning on "downsizing" from the PD260 to the Sabre 230 on my next jump. I don't think i want to put on new gear until i get my A. Does this rig come with a main? i owe you a case of your choice for this.I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prost 0 #19 March 15, 2002 < I might consider a new Hornet but the container will be used.>Just thought I would give some general advice on buying gear. If given a choice, rather buy a new container and a used main. There are a couple of reasons for this. First off, you are less likely to keep a main for the entire life of it than you are a container. Most people will switch out their main well before their container. If you buy a new main and sell it in a few hundred jumps, you will take a much bigger loss than if you had purchased a new one. Secondly, your comfort level will be a lot higher if you get a container made to your exact measurements. You might find a container close enough to fit you and your canopies but it will not be as good as one made to your exact measurements. As far as the cypress goes, i would bite the bullet and buy a new one. There is a lot of expense in maintaining a cypress. When you look at being closer to this maintenance and the fact that cypress' have gotten cheaper lately (less than a $1000) and that after 12 years you basically have to throw them away, and I think it just makes better sense to buy a new one.William Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eames 0 #20 March 15, 2002 Kelly, I'm interested in what that safire mod actually is. Can you describe it? Who does it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #21 March 15, 2002 Contact Hooknswoop via PM about it, he is a much better one to talk to since he is the one who designed it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nissanmaniac 0 #22 March 16, 2002 I'm still new to all this but this is the configuration my rigger and a few people recommended. Javelin + PD canopies, price sounds really decent. Just make sure that the harness fits you, I'm 6'6" and nobody had anything used for me. 6'+ people tend to have some trouble finding used containers. On the other hand sometimes it pays to get something made to fit you... it is a matter of choice (and money) though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puffdaddy 0 #23 March 16, 2002 Try to order directly from manny at Icarus. Hornet +/- 650 $ , tempo reserve +/- $550 and the Vortex11 container +/- $ 750. Check the previous post " Where to order my hornet" for all the contact details. The Vortex is a very good container, Much like a Javelin or Wings" With skydiving you start with a lot of luck and a little experience, the trick is to fill the bag of experience before the bag of luck runs out"Blue Skies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
