fudd 0 #1 December 14, 2003 It's equally important to buckle loose Watch the video, you'll see what I mean http://www.lesjafsk.no/video/cato.mpg There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airborne03 0 #2 December 14, 2003 ouch..just be lucky it wasnt wrapped around anything bad! another good reason to wear a helmet! never know when your going to leave your seatbelt on and hit the plane on the way out! hook knifes! good for more then just cutting away canopies! now for seatbelts! "Airborne all the way" EL Cantador Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkwing 4 #3 December 14, 2003 Nice video. Glad things worked out. Had he buckled tightly though might he have discovered the problem earlier? -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazy 0 #4 December 14, 2003 yup or he could check it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
towerrat 0 #5 December 14, 2003 yep, that sucked. That's why I like my seat belt nice and tight. I also have an in the plane check list I go through.Seat belt off before the door opens.I don't want to kill anyone, especially me.Play stupid games, win stupid prizes! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeNReN 0 #6 December 14, 2003 "It's important to buckle up!" seems its also important to unbuckle cool video...I getting a hook kinife Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plaedouh 0 #7 December 15, 2003 Damn. Lesson why we all need knives. Good to see it was a simple resolution in the end. That was driven home to me after witnessing a static line student in tow. Now I cary 1 when I'm fun jumping, 2 when I'm with a student. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #8 December 15, 2003 What kind of seatbelts are used in that plane? I thought seatbelts are usuallly long enough for most people to put around their midsection, not hang 2' below the plane from it. I bet that guy got some interesting footage on his camera as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imdskydiver 0 #9 December 15, 2003 Every once in a while you see something interesting on these forms and this is one of them . I am not sure that a smaller knife would have done the job of cutting the seat belt , Another instance where bigger is better . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #10 December 15, 2003 He shouldn't have had the S/L that tight. I've seen S/L I's deploy the student's main while the student was hanging because the S/L was that tight. He should never have opened the door with his seatbelt on. He should have checked his main flap and riser covers. He shouldn't have hit his reserve container on the top of the door. The student turned on exit because their left foot was still on the wheel. Nice job by the pilot, reducing power. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #11 December 15, 2003 doesn't look like he hits his reserve on the door, but yeah you can see his main flap blow open in the wind and his riser covers are open. With that much tension on the seat belt I think any hook knife would work there as long as the blade was sharp (except maybe a $2 plastic one) how hard is it to install a step made out of something like diamond plate over the wheel to make poised exits easier? don't people usually do hanging exits with a S/L and wait for people to have a freefall rig to introduce the poised exit? Glad everyone on board handled it well and that no one was hurt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #12 December 15, 2003 QuoteWhat kind of seatbelts are used in that plane? I thought seatbelts are usuallly long enough for most people to put around their midsection, not hang 2' below the plane from it.It's not uncommon to loop the seatbelt through a legstrap and leave it adjusted to full length. At least in the US you just have to use the seatbelt to be connected to the airframe. If you had to jump from the plane with it still connected, it'd be best that it wasn't any shorter or you'd probably hurt yourself pretty badly. Regardless, I'm not too sure how I'd feel if this had happened to someone who was instructing me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plaedouh 0 #13 December 15, 2003 Just because you train and train and train and train and train a student not to put their foot on the step/wheel, doesn't mean that at exit time they will remember to. The student's eyes/head went straight to the ground, and there was no apparent practice deployment on exit. I'd guess this was a first jump for the student, and a typical exit (long exit pause, past 90 degrees on exit, poor body position) for 1 in every 7 first s/l jumpers. But yeah, lots went wrong. But there were fortunatly few consequences. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fudd 0 #14 December 15, 2003 Dang...unbuckle....that was the word I were looking for... This seatbelt is a 2 foot strap with a carabine in each end. They are the only kind I have seen in Norway so far. Usually in smaller planes like C-206, the jumpmaster collects all of them and put them out of the way in the back of the plane. An easy thing to forget, but usually you notice once you start moving around in the plane for gear checks, etc. There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #15 December 18, 2003 Yeah I would love to see his video footage too Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanglesOZQld 0 #16 December 18, 2003 Going back to the importance of buckling up , imagine the forces involved with you near the pilot end of a decent sized aircraft with two lines of bodies say 5+ in front of your own and having an aborted take off or whatever with the aircraft coming to an abrupt stop for whatever reason. Then add to this the fact that there are G forces well above normal involved in the unwanted result. Lets just say that each person in front of you weighs 70 kilos and the plane was subjected to +3 G of force when brought to an abrupt stop at the end of the runway. You would not be in good shape!!!! BUCKLE UP DUDES! -Mark. "A Scar is just a Tattoo with a story!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #17 December 18, 2003 QuoteGoing back to the importance of buckling up , imagine the forces involved with you near the pilot end of a decent sized aircraft with two lines of bodies say 5+ in front of your own and having an aborted take off or whatever with the aircraft coming to an abrupt stop for whatever reason. Then add to this the fact that there are G forces well above normal involved in the unwanted result. Lets just say that each person in front of you weighs 70 kilos and the plane was subjected to +3 G of force when brought to an abrupt stop at the end of the runway. You would not be in good shape!!!! BUCKLE UP DUDES! -Mark. And let's just say that each of those persons close behind you (the ones who'll come crashing into you when the plane suddenly decelerates) can travel 2' before the seatbelt stops them. That would not yield good results for your body as well... If you do (and you should), buckle up tight! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Markj 0 #18 December 23, 2003 The link for the video doesn't seem to work. M.J . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites