JohnMitchell 14
QuoteAs an instructor, though, my main concern is my student's physical safety. Let's face it, although the description seemed a little cruel, those two women sounded like a real hazard to their own health. The bigger you are, the harder you land, the harder you land, the better in shape you need to be. Overweight and out of shape are a really bad combo in this sport.
I agree completely. My concern is that nothing was said to them regarding physical fitness. If an instructor has a concern regarding a student's physical ability to perform the tasks necessary for a safe jump, they should tell the student long before getting in the plane, and have a good conversation about that concern to determine if it is indeed valid or not rather than going through the training and dive without directly approaching the subject. By not approaching the subject, there are two big problems.
The first is that the instructor has prejudged the situation, sends negative vibes which any student would pick up on. This decreases confidence level of the student which creates a self fulfilling prophesy. And this is true whether there is a real problem or not.
The second is if there truly is a health risk, it went unaddressed and as a result an unsafe jump was made. From a student perspective, we don't know what to expect with that first jump or exactly what kind of effort it takes from a physical stance. As instructors, you do and if there's a concern, students should be informed directly to prevent a problem from happening.
I'm sorry if my first post didn't convey my thoughts all that clearly.
To clarify my situation... I may look like a cow in a jumpsuit, but can run several miles without getting winded and work out daily. I ride horses, bike, run, tae bo, pilates, etc, so looks are very deceiving with me. But I would rather have a concern pointed out than hidden and just get negative vibes.
Jen
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bigway 4
just out of curiosity.....how the hell did you manage to do 2600 jumps in one year?
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QuoteQuoteWho still can't land a canopy
I don't land on my feet, but that doesn't mean i'm a bad canopy pilot. I just need to take a canopy course to help get me over my fear of landing on my feet.
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You should look at my spinal xrays.That will get you over the fear of landing on your feet.
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riggerrob 558
QuoteQuoteAs an instructor, though, my main concern is my student's physical safety. Let's face it, although the description seemed a little cruel, those two women sounded like a real hazard to their own health. The bigger you are, the harder you land, the harder you land, the better in shape you need to be. Overweight and out of shape are a really bad combo in this sport.
I agree completely. My concern is that nothing was said to them regarding physical fitness. If an instructor has a concern regarding a student's physical ability to perform the tasks necessary for a safe jump, they should tell the student long before getting in the plane, and have a good conversation about that concern to determine if it is indeed valid or not rather than going through the training and dive without directly approaching the subject. By not approaching the subject, there are two big problems.
The first is that the instructor has prejudged the situation, sends negative vibes which any student would pick up on. This decreases confidence level of the student which creates a self fulfilling prophesy. And this is true whether there is a real problem or not.
The second is if there truly is a health risk, it went unaddressed and as a result an unsafe jump was made. From a student perspective, we don't know what to expect with that first jump or exactly what kind of effort it takes from a physical stance. As instructors, you do and if there's a concern, students should be informed directly to prevent a problem from happening.
I'm sorry if my first post didn't convey my thoughts all that clearly.
To clarify my situation... I may look like a cow in a jumpsuit, but can run several miles without getting winded and work out daily. I ride horses, bike, run, tae bo, pilates, etc, so looks are very deceiving with me. But I would rather have a concern pointed out than hidden and just get negative vibes.
Jen
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Sorry if my original post offended.
I did not teach ground school to those two women.
I was introduced to them when they were already wearing jumpsuits.
I avoided saying anything about physical fitness for fear of prejudicing the outcomes of their skydives.
I did not realize how little muscle they had until they were unable to lift their feet off the step.
I do not care much about fat content.
The key issue here is muscle content.
These women did not have enough muscle to save themselves.
I do not care whether you are going golfing, or canoeing or skydiving, if you do not have enough muscle to save yourself, you should not try those sports.
QuoteJust out of curiosity, has anyone here ever given this talk or been present as it was given?
I've only known one person who was probably going to get it, but quit the sport on their own before we got to them. Anyone have any interesting stories?
I had a first clear & pull student who cleared and started pulling on his 3-rings. He eventually gave up on that, arched, then pretty much froze. His AAD worked as advertised and I met him at the bar the next evening for a beer and to encourage him focus on his mountain climbing efforts. I explained that on the mountain he can stop & think about things but that there's no pause button in skydiving. He contemplated making one more jump just to prove something or other, but I was successful in convincing him that a) he didn't need to, and b) it was his idea not to.
Another jumper kept consistently fucking up in ways that were dangerous to himself and to others. Upon being told that we could no longer take the risk of him killing himself or someone else at our DZ, he went across town to where my roommate was instructing. I talked to my friend and tried to convince him not to take this guy on but was unsuccessful. A couple weeks later he was bragging to me about how well this student was doing, that it must have just been a personality difference between him and me, etc. 6-8 weeks after that the guy was on a lifeflight after hooking himself in. He did survive, and got lots of shiny metal pieces installed as a reminder of his flirtation with death.
Blues,
Dave
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