awindrider 0 #1 March 7, 2007 FF sure feels like flying. A glider in stable flight is falling relative to the air it is in, yet most people easily admit that the glider is flying. Seems if the FF skydiver has any horizontal velocity then they have a glide slope, albeit not a great one, and thus are gliding, ie flying. Any one know or like to estimate how much of a glide slope we can attain in FF? GPS people? Trackers? Wing suit people? Since I have about 2 minutes of FF I don't have much to base a guess on yet, but I know I am flying! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #2 March 7, 2007 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=455724;search_string=bernoulli;#455724 ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mbondvegas 0 #3 March 7, 2007 Glide Ratio: 1 to 1 is readily attainable via a good track....3 to 1 in a wing suit.- - - I am not afraid of tomorrow, for I have seen yesterday and I love today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mbondvegas 0 #4 March 7, 2007 A good track definitely feels like flying! - - - I am not afraid of tomorrow, for I have seen yesterday and I love today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #5 March 7, 2007 QuoteA good track definitely feels like flying! No, flying a wingsuit feels like flying... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mbondvegas 0 #6 March 7, 2007 I'm sure it does. I'll know that for sure very SOON!!! My Prodigy is on its way!- - - I am not afraid of tomorrow, for I have seen yesterday and I love today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #7 March 7, 2007 QuoteI'm sure it does. I'll know that for sure very SOON!!! My Prodigy is on its way! Shameless plug: http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=5211&string=moab is a video of Alan and I playing around in Moab... While I never have liked watching wingsuit videos, some of the formation stuff we did was similar to what I saw real birds doing in play at the Grand Canyon this weekend while playing bird games. These are some of my favorite wingsuit moments. However, the birds did a few new moves I want to play with on a wingsuit. Since they have flown their whole life, they are a good role model. I learned a lot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mbondvegas 0 #8 March 7, 2007 Nice Video: What kind of suit is the blue and black one?- - - I am not afraid of tomorrow, for I have seen yesterday and I love today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #9 March 7, 2007 QuoteNice Video: What kind of suit is the blue and black one? They are all PF phantoms, including the one I was flying. You can see my red one on my photo album at www.indigox.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #10 March 7, 2007 Symantics!!! Skydiving is what ever YOU think it is."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #11 March 7, 2007 I fall with style!My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akey 0 #12 March 7, 2007 Well, acording to the theroy of relivity, next to someone else in freefall, you can move u down side to side, so you are kind of flying imho. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #13 March 7, 2007 Well, according to the theory of relativity... Quote Wait a minute, Popsjumper explained the theory of relativity as having yer cousin lick the sweat off yer balls while fuckin yer sister!? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites IanHarrop 37 #14 March 7, 2007 All I know is that since a lost a bunch of weight my glideslope is better "Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Dean358 0 #15 March 7, 2007 Just FYI, a typical medium performance fixed wing glider, or "sailplane," has a glide ratio of 34 to 1. Some high performance sailplanes actually have a 50 to 1 glide ratio. What makes these feel like flying -- at least to me -- is not the gliding but the "soaring," i.e., riding thermals, staying aloft and going cross country. I highly recommend you try a glider flight. Besides being beautiful you'll get a whole new perspective on flying your canopy. (Freefall? Maybe not.) Cheers, Dean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mikempb 0 #16 March 8, 2007 I always tell people who dont jump that I fly... its just verticle flight and airplanes are more horizontal flight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Martini 0 #17 March 8, 2007 The illusion of flying should diminish as you approach the ground. You are flying about as well as a brick with popsicle stick wings. Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites awindrider 0 #18 March 8, 2007 I used to fly an ultra lite. Anybody here old enough to remember the Pterodactyl? They were originally hang gliders with a fixed cambered wing with a hang cage below. My favorite pastime was to motor to altitude and shut down the motor and soar. There was no in-air restart so reading the air and finding lift was pretty important. Dead stick landings and approaches were the norm. Ridge lift was easiest to find but occasionally I could catch a thermal. Yep. Flying a glider is really something special. Even a low performance glider like the Pterodactyl. Even a lower performance glider like a parachute. Even a really low performance glider like me. When I was lucky enough to soar it was because the air was rising faster than I was sinking. My point is it is really a matter of degree. In a strong enough updraft even my body could soar. If there is no rising air even the best sailplane is coming down. Yes, I know a glider can trade potential and kinetic energy back and forth and so momentarily go up even in still air, but basically it is coming down relative to the air around it. So are we. Which brings up an interesting question. Can a wing suit do the same? Of course in a 40mph updraft they could fly all day, looping and rolling to heart's content. Ah, what a pleasant thought. Happy flying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
IanHarrop 37 #14 March 7, 2007 All I know is that since a lost a bunch of weight my glideslope is better "Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dean358 0 #15 March 7, 2007 Just FYI, a typical medium performance fixed wing glider, or "sailplane," has a glide ratio of 34 to 1. Some high performance sailplanes actually have a 50 to 1 glide ratio. What makes these feel like flying -- at least to me -- is not the gliding but the "soaring," i.e., riding thermals, staying aloft and going cross country. I highly recommend you try a glider flight. Besides being beautiful you'll get a whole new perspective on flying your canopy. (Freefall? Maybe not.) Cheers, Dean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikempb 0 #16 March 8, 2007 I always tell people who dont jump that I fly... its just verticle flight and airplanes are more horizontal flight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martini 0 #17 March 8, 2007 The illusion of flying should diminish as you approach the ground. You are flying about as well as a brick with popsicle stick wings. Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
awindrider 0 #18 March 8, 2007 I used to fly an ultra lite. Anybody here old enough to remember the Pterodactyl? They were originally hang gliders with a fixed cambered wing with a hang cage below. My favorite pastime was to motor to altitude and shut down the motor and soar. There was no in-air restart so reading the air and finding lift was pretty important. Dead stick landings and approaches were the norm. Ridge lift was easiest to find but occasionally I could catch a thermal. Yep. Flying a glider is really something special. Even a low performance glider like the Pterodactyl. Even a lower performance glider like a parachute. Even a really low performance glider like me. When I was lucky enough to soar it was because the air was rising faster than I was sinking. My point is it is really a matter of degree. In a strong enough updraft even my body could soar. If there is no rising air even the best sailplane is coming down. Yes, I know a glider can trade potential and kinetic energy back and forth and so momentarily go up even in still air, but basically it is coming down relative to the air around it. So are we. Which brings up an interesting question. Can a wing suit do the same? Of course in a 40mph updraft they could fly all day, looping and rolling to heart's content. Ah, what a pleasant thought. Happy flying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
