thekgb2k1 0 #1 August 26, 2009 I am a seasoned army paratrooper that is new to the sport skydiving world. I made my 1st IAD jump a few days ago. I am looking for any REAL advice on a student level about how to progress. My instructor was inpressed with my body possition and canopy controll for my 1st jump. I plan to get my 2nd jump in the next week or so...any advice would be greatly welcome...always remember when jumping a round...at 100' slip into the wind...keep your feet and knees together...pray to god...and hit all 3 points of contact...FEET, A**, HEAD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucignol080 0 #2 August 26, 2009 1. arch 2. breathe 3. smile listen only your irl instructor"Parachutes sometimes malfunction, even when they are properly designed, built, assembled, packed, maintained and used" "Ty honey..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lost_n_confuzd 0 #3 August 26, 2009 Start saving for your own gear to buy after you get off student status, it'll save hundreds, maybe thousands of $$$. Talk to your instructor about what you need. How many patratrooper jumps do you have? Welcome to the sport. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #4 August 26, 2009 QuoteI am a seasoned army paratrooper that is new to the sport skydiving world. I made my 1st IAD jump a few days ago. I am looking for any REAL advice on a student level about how to progress. My instructor was inpressed with my body possition and canopy controll for my 1st jump. I plan to get my 2nd jump in the next week or so...any advice would be greatly welcome You'll have nicer landings than under Army gear. My son was an 11C in the 82nd and generally landed on top of his mortar tube.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydived19006 4 #5 August 26, 2009 Work with your instructors, stay current, take advice and information gained on the internet with a grain of salt. MartinExperience is what you get when you thought you were going to get something else. AC DZ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 370 #6 August 27, 2009 Quoteany advice would be greatly welcome Switch to AFF.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dks13827 2 #7 August 27, 2009 well,, consider making your SL jumps and maybe a couple of hop and pops......... then do some AFF jumps. That is what I would tell my daughters and nephews if they wanted to jump more after their tandems. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 370 #8 August 27, 2009 Quote well,, consider making your SL jumps and maybe a couple of hop and pops......... then do some AFF jumps. That is what I would tell my daughters and nephews if they wanted to jump more after their tandems. Not to drag the conversation in a different direction, but the original poster will likely learn from this exchange. Why would you recommend starting on SL (or its equivalent IAD) and then move to AFF?Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thekgb2k1 0 #9 August 27, 2009 my army jumps totla 87 SL jumps with round chutes (T10-C and MC1-1B). Altitudes ranging from 800-1200 AGL from air force transports (C-130, C-141, C-17)....always remember when jumping a round...at 100' slip into the wind...keep your feet and knees together...pray to god...and hit all 3 points of contact...FEET, A**, HEAD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
legalize1966 0 #10 August 27, 2009 Since the poster above you is the DZO of the OP's home DZ why wouldn't he go with the program offered? AFF if not the cure all, it is strong in some areas, weak in others, but in the end if we all do the Instructing right don't all the students end up at the same place? "A" Licensed and 25 or more jumps? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 370 #11 August 27, 2009 QuoteSince the poster above you is the DZO of the OP's home DZ why wouldn't he go with the program offered? AFF if not the cure all, it is strong in some areas, weak in others, but in the end if we all do the Instructing right don't all the students end up at the same place? "A" Licensed and 25 or more jumps? If the DZO you are referring to is the poster that suggested the OP make SL's, then hop n pops, then AFF, he obviously offers both disciplines. If that's the case, the OP would be going with the "program offered" either way. Not sure what you mean that AFF is strong in some areas and weaker in others. If you mean geographically there are areas that have more AFF DZ's, that is true. However, if you mean there are DZ's that have "weak" AFF programs, that should be addressed. My point was really more about switching disciplnes. There's no need for it and it does have hazards. If a DZ offers AFF, what sense would it make to start on SL and then switch to AFF? You could just start on AFF to begin with. And by the way, even when instructors DON'T do their jobs right, students still end up with an A license and 25 jumps most of the time. There are, after all, a lot of crap instructors out there, and crap student programs too.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,053 #12 August 27, 2009 My point was really more about switching disciplnes. There's no need for it and it does have hazards. If a DZ offers AFF, what sense would it make to start on SL and then switch to AFF? You could just start on AFF to begin with.*** Former Military Airborne S/L'ers do better climbing their way to altitude, rather than having 13.5K thrust upon them. No different than AFF students having a difficult time with suddenly exiting lower on the mandatory HnP's than their normal pull altitude. If the student is comfortable with an ISP progression from IAD to an eventual AFF, what's the rush to accelerate them. I had a couple of former Airborne guys that were pushed into AFF too soon and walked away. Brought them back and we did S/L's all the way to 10K. Let them take their time. One went on to PRCPs from 10K and while taking longer than most students; enjoyed the slower pace and was extremely inquisitive on the ground in between jumps and became a good skydiver. The other made it to 10 sec delays and just wasn't comfortable with freefall, but loved sunset S/L's and cross-country. Asked if he could come out and just do those every week. (former Captain with the Herd in 'nam). He did it for a couple of years and loved them. You remember when the ISP came out and the controversy over it. During that time I was one of its cheerleaders because sometimes; we can't force a student to fit any one mold, but can use the ISP to fit their needs. No matter what one thinks of the USPA; imo, one of the best things they've produced is the ISP.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #13 August 27, 2009 I was an ex-paratrooper and S.F. troop, prior to starting skydiving. When I started sport jumping, I started with four static line jumps prior to freefall. That was the only method offered then. You'll find many things familiar to you. If you've already stepped out of a perfectly good airplane 80 times, you'll undoubtedly have less fear, and be more aware of what is happening. Welcome to a whole new world of fun! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydived19006 4 #14 August 27, 2009 Quote If the DZO you are referring to is the poster that suggested the OP make SL's, then hop n pops, then AFF, he obviously offers both disciplines. If that's the case, the OP would be going with the "program offered" either way. He's jumping at my DZ (Air Capital Drop Zone, Wichita Kansas), we do not have staff, or lift capacity to offer AFF. I don't have an issue with AFF, and occasionally will have a student do an AFF jump or two at some point in their progression if it's deemed appropriate or helpful, and an AFFI happens to be available. MartinExperience is what you get when you thought you were going to get something else. AC DZ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 370 #15 August 27, 2009 QuoteQuote If the DZO you are referring to is the poster that suggested the OP make SL's, then hop n pops, then AFF, he obviously offers both disciplines. If that's the case, the OP would be going with the "program offered" either way. He's jumping at my DZ (Air Capital Drop Zone, Wichita Kansas), we do not have staff, or lift capacity to offer AFF. I don't have an issue with AFF, and occasionally will have a student do an AFF jump or two at some point in their progression if it's deemed appropriate or helpful, and an AFFI happens to be available. Martin That makes things a bit clearer. The way it sounded, people routinely start on SL and then switch mid-program to AFF. That begged the question why not just start with one or the other and stay with it. Do you keep the student on AFF once they have made one AFF jump?Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thekgb2k1 0 #16 August 28, 2009 thanks all for the input. See you at the DZ Martin...always remember when jumping a round...at 100' slip into the wind...keep your feet and knees together...pray to god...and hit all 3 points of contact...FEET, A**, HEAD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #17 August 28, 2009 QuoteThe way it sounded, people routinely start on SL and then switch mid-program to AFF. That begged the question why not just start with one or the other and stay with it. I don't underestimate your considerable experience, but I've come to the belief that there's a lot of merit in a good hybrid program (I've posted on this before). A number of DZs use it, and they work well. I've become a fan of that approach. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #18 August 28, 2009 Quote well,, consider making your SL jumps and maybe a couple of hop and pops......... then do some AFF jumps. That is what I would tell my daughters and nephews if they wanted to jump more after their tandems. ....................................................................... I disagree. Since hop-and-pops are some of the most difficult dives for students, they should come at the end of an Assisted freefall program. No single method is perfect. But, the perfect program includes different types of instruction at different levels. For example, most modern students start with a tandem. Then two or three S/L or IAD jumps to learn the basics of canopy control. Then a few minutes in a wind tunnel to learn the basics of freefall stablity. Then a half-dozen jumps with freefall instructors. Then a few jumps with coaches to round out the list of skills for the first license. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
