TampaPete 35 #1 February 18, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8cL1gtYRcs At 6:07 this guy has a bow tie and cuts it. What type of reserve is he using? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 262 #2 February 18, 2012 PZ-81 yeah baby! Triangular, Rogallo style canopy, no bag, webbing slider is pilot chute controlled, Kevlar-like lines. A nice flying canopy. (I've got one to play with as a main, and they are mentioned in some History & Trivia threads.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpsalot-2 2 #3 February 18, 2012 Don't know what that "Thing" was,but a good vid for sure. Shows what jumping is all about....having fun...Life is short ... jump often. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #4 February 18, 2012 from the manufacturer~The reserve steerable system, type PZ-81 is intended for use with sports- and training parachute systems. The system is quickly mounted and disassembled on the main canopy harness. Its location in front of the parachutist allows activating the system by any hand trough pulling out the manual release ripcord and performing visual inspection. The system is deployed only manually. It works safely at a completely detached main canopy. The system consists of a steerable canopy with an area of 27 m2, wing platform is shaped like two triangles joined together among one lateral side. Application range: Dropping out height - 150 - 2000 m, Dropping out speed - 140 - 225 km/h. Vertical descent speed: 5,62 m/s at an all-up weight of 100 kg, descent level speed component– 6,12 m/s. Time of a turn on 360º: up to 5 sec. Specified life: ten applications in case of any abnormal work of the main canopy or unlimited quantity of applications - after main canopy deployment. Service life - 12 years. Weight – no more than 4,3 kg. Dimensions of a system packed into container, no more than: length - 0,42 m, width - 0,21 m, height - 0,2 m. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 262 #5 February 18, 2012 To add one more thing, the manufacturer's quote that Twardo dug up refers to using it as a belly mount. It was also available as part of piggyback rigs. The impression I've gotten is that it seems to be well regarded in Eastern Europe. Very old fashioned now, but remembered fondly for being a reliable canopy for saving your ass. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #6 February 18, 2012 It is a Rogallo wing. I have a Rogallo type paraglider rescue rogallo. They are considered (in both paragliding as well as skydiving) as less than reliable, therefor acro pilots also carry a round rescue parachute. (yes, two reserves to use in case of an acro PG emergency, the steerable rogallo if you have the altitude to deal with it, the round if you are low and in the shit). Pic is of me jumping the older rogallo rescue from a plane. The rescue is called the Beamer. This one built in 2008. I think it is 38m. The new one is white and weighs almost half as much as the yellow/red beamer. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=582346687441&set=a.535697637511.2049462.203002032&type=3&theater Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #7 February 18, 2012 Of course that looks like a Paradactyl (may they rest in peace) which was once TSO'd as a reserve, if I remember correctly. I never jumped one. Did you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #8 February 18, 2012 Quote Of course that looks like a Paradactyl (may they rest in peace) which was once TSO'd as a reserve, if I remember correctly. I never jumped one. Did you? The Scaradactyl...yeah I have a few jump one one. Heck it opened better than my T-Bow...barely! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FastRon 0 #9 February 18, 2012 A DZO friend had a paradactyl. As I recall he was compelled to start doing his own reserve repacks because it had opening 'issues'... a lot. If I remember right it didn't really flare and landings were "sporty" on no-wind days. Fun to watch tho, I recall it motored around pretty well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TampaPete 35 #10 February 18, 2012 Found this thread with some more great information. And Airtwardo’s red/white PZ-81. http://www.dropzone.com/forum/Skydiving_C1/Skydiving_History_%26_Trivia_F21/PZ-81_Parawing_P3254543 Based on PCChapman’s and Calvin19’s comments and the Mi-8 jumpship this is probably a recent eastern European video. So the PZ-81 is still in use, true? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,080 #11 February 18, 2012 Hi John, Quote. .which was once TSO'd as a reserve . . . The Paradactyl was never TSO'd. Back ~1967 Irvin received a TSO for their version of a Rogallo canopy. A lot of test/demo jumps but it never actually caught with anyone. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #12 February 18, 2012 Thanks. A rigger friend of mine spoke of seeing a "double dactyl rig" back when the Stratoflyer was the small packing canopy. He said it was super tiny (but nothing compared to what we have today.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #13 February 18, 2012 Quote Thanks. A rigger friend of mine spoke of seeing a "double dactyl rig" back when the Stratoflyer was the small packing canopy. He said it was super tiny (but nothing compared to what we have today.) http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1524410#1524410 deja you! 7 years ago...what a memory! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SStewart 13 #15 February 19, 2012 I was going to guess a single keel dactyl. I made one jump on one as a main. Once was enough!Onward and Upward! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #16 February 19, 2012 Not the old dactyl, the new(ish) PG rescue. I really did not think the landing was that bad. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=582384696271&set=vb.203002032&type=2&theater -SPACE- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 262 #17 February 19, 2012 Figured I might as well upload the video of my first jump on my PZ-81 a couple years back: http://youtu.be/oBUayyTdPoI The short video includes the deployment -- without a bag, it is messy, and the opening was snappy even for a low speed hop and pop. (But perhaps the pilot chute controlled reefing works better at higher speed, who knows.) (And for a little carnage, there's the classic mid air collision video where a guy with a PZ-81 spirals into Beatnik under his Delta II. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8wET-7GmHc) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #18 February 19, 2012 Quote http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1524410#1524410 deja you! 7 years ago...what a memory! Blast from the past. Nice to see I still remember correctly what I remembered back then. . . huh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpsalot-2 2 #19 February 19, 2012 QuoteFigured I might as well upload the video of my first jump on my PZ-81 a couple years back: http://youtu.be/oBUayyTdPoI The short video includes the deployment -- without a bag, it is messy, and the opening was snappy even for a low speed hop and pop. (But perhaps the pilot chute controlled reefing works better at higher speed, who knows.) (And for a little carnage, there's the classic mid air collision video where a guy with a PZ-81 spirals into Beatnik under his Delta II. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8wET-7GmHc)QuoteWhy would anyone, just for fun, jump one of these things ? Good response to the wrap though, quick cut-away by the first guy, and the second guy did finally cut-away.Life is short ... jump often. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Calvin19 0 #20 February 20, 2012 Quote ]Why would anyone, just for fun, jump one of these things ? Are you seriously asking that question? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #21 February 20, 2012 Quote Good response to the wrap though, quick cut-away by the first guy, and the second guy did finally cut-away. Good response to an entanglement. It was not a wrap.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #22 February 20, 2012 Quote(And for a little carnage, there's the classic mid air collision video where a guy with a PZ-81 spirals into Beatnik under his Delta II. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8wET-7GmHc) This one might interest you.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpsalot-2 2 #23 February 20, 2012 Quote Quote ]Why would anyone, just for fun, jump one of these things ? Are you seriously asking that question? Quote I guess what I'm trying to say is, why would you jump one knowing you will likely get a hard opening, and landing it will probably involve a good PLF. It might be fun to fly while it's airbourne. Maybe a good water landing with a floatation device would be the way to go.....Summer jumps only..........We have modern canopies that fly and land well...use them. Life is short ... jump often. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Calvin19 0 #20 February 20, 2012 Quote ]Why would anyone, just for fun, jump one of these things ? Are you seriously asking that question? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #21 February 20, 2012 Quote Good response to the wrap though, quick cut-away by the first guy, and the second guy did finally cut-away. Good response to an entanglement. It was not a wrap.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #22 February 20, 2012 Quote(And for a little carnage, there's the classic mid air collision video where a guy with a PZ-81 spirals into Beatnik under his Delta II. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8wET-7GmHc) This one might interest you.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpsalot-2 2 #23 February 20, 2012 Quote Quote ]Why would anyone, just for fun, jump one of these things ? Are you seriously asking that question? Quote I guess what I'm trying to say is, why would you jump one knowing you will likely get a hard opening, and landing it will probably involve a good PLF. It might be fun to fly while it's airbourne. Maybe a good water landing with a floatation device would be the way to go.....Summer jumps only..........We have modern canopies that fly and land well...use them. Life is short ... jump often. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites