Rangel: Jesus Said You're Going to Hell if You Don't Support Food Stamps, Social Security

[Gravitymaster 0]

I can't help but visualize some of those people in the Jon Stewart clip when I read your posts.

[kallend 1,648]

Gravitymaster

I can't help but visualize some of those people in the Jon Stewart clip when I read your posts.

I can't help visualizing the Nuremberg Rallies when I read some of yours.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Gravitymaster 0]

kallend

***I can't help but visualize some of those people in the Jon Stewart clip when I read your posts.

I can't help visualizing the Nuremberg Rallies when I read some of yours.

Godwin rules.

[kallend 1,648]

rushmc

I am glad you found some help understanding

You needed it

I will ask again
Show me where the Republican party has MOVED to the right

Are you saying the GOP was ALWAYS the Party of Stupid? Was always anti-women, anti immigrant, anti science and anti minority?

When even the Washington Times says the GOP has moved to the right, it's clear that you are wrong.

communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-realist/2013/sep/27/republican-party-really-conservative-organization/

Over the last few years, bands of hardline, if not self-destructive, activists have attempted to remake the Republican Party in their own image.

This image is hard-right. What has come out of the GOP lately might be described as the John Birch Society meeting Jerry Falwell’s Moral Majority at a Libertarian Party conference.

Far`Out doesn't even begin to describe it.

Modern rightist operatives often claim that they are bringing the Republican brand back to its roots. They then say that anyone who is not of their ideology is a “RINO”; Republican In Name Only. RINOs, in many instances, are treated worse than far-left Democrats for whatever reason.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[turtlespeed 212]

Wow. So now you are touting the WT?

I wonder if Satan is skiing yet.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[rushmc 18]

kallend

***I am glad you found some help understanding

You needed it

I will ask again
Show me where the Republican party has MOVED to the right

Are you saying the GOP was ALWAYS the Party of Stupid? Was always anti-women, anti immigrant, anti science and anti minority?

When even the Washington Times says the GOP has moved to the right, it's clear that you are wrong.

communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-realist/2013/sep/27/republican-party-really-conservative-organization/

Over the last few years, bands of hardline, if not self-destructive, activists have attempted to remake the Republican Party in their own image.

This image is hard-right. What has come out of the GOP lately might be described as the John Birch Society meeting Jerry Falwell’s Moral Majority at a Libertarian Party conference.

Far`Out doesn't even begin to describe it.

Modern rightist operatives often claim that they are bringing the Republican brand back to its roots. They then say that anyone who is not of their ideology is a “RINO”; Republican In Name Only. RINOs, in many instances, are treated worse than far-left Democrats for whatever reason.

Holding a line is not moving right


As for the RINO comment.
They should be despised

Remember Congressman Wellstone from MN?
He died in a plane crash and his funeral was bastardized by the Dems into campain party
anyway

I live close to the MN line and got to listen to him more often than I would have liked. I agreed with almost nothing he campained on
However, he was as honest about his positions as any political animal I had ever heard
He got elected
I respected him for his honesty

RINO's are not honest animals

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,149]

Maybe some of the congresscritters are honest in their feelings and thoughts; they're moderate Republicans. Those used to exist, and it was OK in those days.

People like Margaret Chase Smith come to mind.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 18]

wmw999

Maybe some of the congresscritters are honest in their feelings and thoughts; they're moderate Republicans. Those used to exist, and it was OK in those days.

People like Margaret Chase Smith come to mind.

Wendy P.

maybe but based on what I've seen him campaign on it doesn't look true

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 1,648]

rushmc

******I am glad you found some help understanding

You needed it

I will ask again
Show me where the Republican party has MOVED to the right

Are you saying the GOP was ALWAYS the Party of Stupid? Was always anti-women, anti immigrant, anti science and anti minority?

When even the Washington Times says the GOP has moved to the right, it's clear that you are wrong.

communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-realist/2013/sep/27/republican-party-really-conservative-organization/

Over the last few years, bands of hardline, if not self-destructive, activists have attempted to remake the Republican Party in their own image.

This image is hard-right. What has come out of the GOP lately might be described as the John Birch Society meeting Jerry Falwell’s Moral Majority at a Libertarian Party conference.

Far`Out doesn't even begin to describe it.

Modern rightist operatives often claim that they are bringing the Republican brand back to its roots. They then say that anyone who is not of their ideology is a “RINO”; Republican In Name Only. RINOs, in many instances, are treated worse than far-left Democrats for whatever reason.

Holding a line is not moving right




So you ARE saying that the GOP was ALWAYS the Party of Stupid. Was always anti-women, anti immigrant, anti science and anti minority.

Nice of you to admit it.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 18]

kallend

*********I am glad you found some help understanding

You needed it

I will ask again
Show me where the Republican party has MOVED to the right

Are you saying the GOP was ALWAYS the Party of Stupid? Was always anti-women, anti immigrant, anti science and anti minority?

When even the Washington Times says the GOP has moved to the right, it's clear that you are wrong.

communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-realist/2013/sep/27/republican-party-really-conservative-organization/

Over the last few years, bands of hardline, if not self-destructive, activists have attempted to remake the Republican Party in their own image.

This image is hard-right. What has come out of the GOP lately might be described as the John Birch Society meeting Jerry Falwell’s Moral Majority at a Libertarian Party conference.

Far`Out doesn't even begin to describe it.

Modern rightist operatives often claim that they are bringing the Republican brand back to its roots. They then say that anyone who is not of their ideology is a “RINO”; Republican In Name Only. RINOs, in many instances, are treated worse than far-left Democrats for whatever reason.

Holding a line is not moving right




So you ARE saying that the GOP was ALWAYS the Party of Stupid. Was always anti-women, anti immigrant, anti science and anti minority.

Nice of you to admit it.
The latest honesty that is kallend

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Kennedy 0]

There's an important distinction that Rangel and those like him miss: there is a significant difference between voluntarily giving part of your possessions to those less fortunate and FORCING others to give up their things at a rate that YOU decide. For those less familiar with biblical literature, Jesus supported the former, not the latter.

Government is FORCE, raw and naked force, with a physical and financial penalty for failure to comply. That is why as much decision making should be left to the lowest level decider as possible (leaving most to the individual, then local, then state, then federal level). Going the other way, consolidating decision making at the highest level, leads to the most people being forced to do things they object to.


...and to be honest, I don't recall Jesus ever saying (according to scripture) that anyone was going to Hell for particular trespass. I think it was more along the lines of being closer to God, or making decisions that distanced a person from God. I heard a Catholic priest giving an interesting talk about Hell being further from God because a person chose to put things between himself and God, and Heaven was basically closeness with God - the point being that God doesn't send souls to Hell, but that souls can make choices that cause them to suffer.

witty subliminal message
Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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[Stumpy 256]

Kennedy

There's an important distinction that Rangel and those like him miss: there is a significant difference between voluntarily giving part of your possessions to those less fortunate and FORCING others to give up their things at a rate that YOU decide. For those less familiar with biblical literature, Jesus supported the former, not the latter.

Government is FORCE, raw and naked force, with a physical and financial penalty for failure to comply. That is why as much decision making should be left to the lowest level decider as possible (leaving most to the individual, then local, then state, then federal level). Going the other way, consolidating decision making at the highest level, leads to the most people being forced to do things they object to.

Sure, but where do you draw the line? Taxes classes as being forced to give up some of your stuff. Do you think we shouldn't have any? Everyone does things they don't want to, it's the price of living in a civilised society.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[Kennedy 0]

Oh, I do believe the federal government is necessary, and taxes are required to support it. (I'm not sure what you meant in your second sentence) I also believe they have exceeded their needed size and certainly their constitutionally justified size.

Tell me, where do you think government stops? What are it's limits, in your mind? What choices are actually left to the individual?

I've always liked the idea that the law should act as a shield, not a sword. It should protect, not be used to attack and control.

witty subliminal message
Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
1*

[billvon 2,435]

>here is a significant difference between voluntarily giving part of your possessions to
>those less fortunate and FORCING others to give up their things at a rate that YOU
>decide. For those less familiar with biblical literature, Jesus supported the former, not
>the latter.

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“Teacher,” they said, “we know that you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are. Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not?”

Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, “You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax.” They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?”

“Caesar’s,” they replied.

Then he said to them, “So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”
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After Jesus and his disciples arrived in Capernaum, the collectors of the two-drachma tax came to Peter and asked, "Doesn't your teacher pay the temple tax?"

"Yes, he does," he replied.
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Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
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Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
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[billvon 2,435]

>Show me where the Republican party has MOVED to the right

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Former Polk GOP co-chairman says party has moved too far to the right
Des Moines Register
12:02 PM, Aug 20, 2013
by Kathie Obradovich |

The co-chairman of the Polk County Republican Party has resigned and changed his party registration to independent, saying the GOP has become too conservative and is condoning “hateful” rhetoric.

Chad Brown, 34, of Ankeny, had been party co-chairman since March. He said he resigned his position on Aug. 5. His resignation letter is below.

Brown said in a phone interview that he became disgusted by a party he believes is being run by the Christian right and the National Rifle Association. He cited Congressman Steve King’s recent, controversial comments on illegal immigrants as an example of his philosophical conflict with the party.
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Political Scientist: Republicans Most Conservative They've Been In 100 Years
NPR
April 13, 2012 2:24 PM

Congressional Republicans have a unique achievement, they are further from the political center than their predecessors of the past century.

. . .

Keith Poole of the University of Georgia, with his collaborator Howard Rosenthal of New York University, has spent decades charting the ideological shifts and polarization of the political parties in Congress from the 18th century until now to get the view of how the political landscape has changed from 30,000 feet up. What they have found is that the Republican Party is the most conservative it has been a century.
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September 16, 2010
Majority Thinks GOP Has Moved Right Since Obama Took Office
Most say it's for reasons other than the Tea Party's influence
by Jeffrey M. Jones
Gallup polling

PRINCETON, NJ -- The prevailing view among Americans is that the Republican Party has become more conservative since Barack Obama took office, but not necessarily because of the Tea Party movement's influence. Among the 54% who say so, about a third -- representing 19% of all Americans -- think the Tea Party movement is the primary reason for this; the rest believe other factors are at work.

Question: Since Barack Obama Took Office, Do You Think the Republican Party Has Become More Conservative, or Not?

Yes, more conservative 54%
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[Kennedy 0]

I'm familiar with the "render unto Caesar" story. But tell me, did the Romans require the Jews to perform actions against their religion? Did they create central authority capable of telling you what to do and not do on your land, what you could and could not eat, whom you could and could not interact with as you like?

witty subliminal message
Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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[Gravitymaster 0]

Have Liberals taken over the Democratic Party? You be the judge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEdXrfIMdiU#t=19

[billvon 2,435]

>Have Liberals taken over the Democratic Party?

?? That's like saying conservatives have taken over the GOP.

[Gravitymaster 0]

It demonstrates how extreme left the Democrat Party has swung. JFK would be considered a Republican by todays standards.

[billvon 2,435]

>It demonstrates how extreme left the Democrat Party has swung.

Don't quite know how to break this to you - but the Democratic party has always been liberal. Perhaps you recall the 70% top tax brackets of the Carter administration?

[billvon 2,435]

> But tell me, did the Romans require the Jews to perform actions against their religion?

Not that I know of.

>Did they create central authority capable of telling you what to do and not do on your
>land, what you could and could not eat, whom you could and could not interact with
>as you like?

Is that a joke? Yes, they crucified you if you spoke against the government. For lesser crimes (like disrespecting Caesar) you were merely sold into slavery. This only applied, of course, if you were plebian - if you were a patrician then you got away with a lot more.

Here's a fun law in the time of Jesus:

Lex Aelia Sentia - prevented freeing of slaves by their masters under many conditions. For example, the master had to be at least twenty years old and the slave thirty years old before it was legal to free a slave.

[Gravitymaster 0]

Of course they have always been left. However, they have broken new ground since Carter and swung into the extreme left fringe. Certainly not the party of JFK.

[billvon 2,435]

>However, they have broken new ground since Carter and swung into the extreme left
>fringe. Certainly not the party of JFK.

Let's go over what JFK did:

Heavy deficit spending to recover from 1961 recession. Check.
More interested in federal programs than in cutting deficit. Check.
Promised to end segregation. Check - in fact, going too far in the other direction.
Refused any federal financial help to parochial and religious schools. Sounds familiar.
Courts don't need to allow prayer; we can pray ourselves. Familiar.
Government programs help people do what they can't do alone. Check
Voted for liberalized immigration laws. Check.
Championed rights of Mexican illegal immigrants. Check.
Increased unemployment benefits during recession. Check.
Attempted (unsuccessfully) to create retirement-based Medicare. Check.

I have zero doubt that JFK would be labeled a socialist, communist, terrorist, criminal etc by the right just as much as they have used the same labels on Obama.

[Gravitymaster 0]

I think Elbert Guillory might have some disagreement with you about how much power the extreme hard left has had on the Democrat Party.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_YQ8560E1w

So would Joe Leiberman and countless others.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/21/liebreman-obama-not-willing-to-stand-up-to-the-left-wing/comment-page-6/

[rushmc 18]

billvon

>Show me where the Republican party has MOVED to the right

================
Former Polk GOP co-chairman says party has moved too far to the right
Des Moines Register
12:02 PM, Aug 20, 2013
by Kathie Obradovich |

The co-chairman of the Polk County Republican Party has resigned and changed his party registration to independent, saying the GOP has become too conservative and is condoning “hateful” rhetoric.

Chad Brown, 34, of Ankeny, had been party co-chairman since March. He said he resigned his position on Aug. 5. His resignation letter is below.

Brown said in a phone interview that he became disgusted by a party he believes is being run by the Christian right and the National Rifle Association. He cited Congressman Steve King’s recent, controversial comments on illegal immigrants as an example of his philosophical conflict with the party.
==================

Political Scientist: Republicans Most Conservative They've Been In 100 Years
NPR
April 13, 2012 2:24 PM

Congressional Republicans have a unique achievement, they are further from the political center than their predecessors of the past century.

. . .

Keith Poole of the University of Georgia, with his collaborator Howard Rosenthal of New York University, has spent decades charting the ideological shifts and polarization of the political parties in Congress from the 18th century until now to get the view of how the political landscape has changed from 30,000 feet up. What they have found is that the Republican Party is the most conservative it has been a century.
===================
September 16, 2010
Majority Thinks GOP Has Moved Right Since Obama Took Office
Most say it's for reasons other than the Tea Party's influence
by Jeffrey M. Jones
Gallup polling

PRINCETON, NJ -- The prevailing view among Americans is that the Republican Party has become more conservative since Barack Obama took office, but not necessarily because of the Tea Party movement's influence. Among the 54% who say so, about a third -- representing 19% of all Americans -- think the Tea Party movement is the primary reason for this; the rest believe other factors are at work.

Question: Since Barack Obama Took Office, Do You Think the Republican Party Has Become More Conservative, or Not?

Yes, more conservative 54%
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Still no specific issues
Just generalities and rehtoric
Just like here and your quotes

So me Bill

ONE issue where the republican party has moved right?

As far as the political center comment in your quotes, hell yes, the Dems keep moving the contry left
The center moves when that happens

Nice try Bill
A fail for sure, but nice try

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln