So what about the kids? This thread is about Gay Parents

[Remster 24]

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[labrys 0]

Owned by Remi #?

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Tom (male 18) marries John (male 59). They want to have a kid. Tom's mom, JUNE (a female), says: you can have my egg. A doc takes Johns sperm and impregnates June and a baby is produced. Three years later TOM and JOHN get divorced. In court 3 people show up claiming rights to the kid.

Again, not a gay issue but an 'anyone who can't have kids' issue.

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Sperm and eggs doled out like peanuts for human consumption just to satisfy a self servicing, narcissistic, egotistical community who by nature can't participate naturally in bearing children naturally?

That really is just a horrible thing to say about people who are infertile but want a family.

Why were you ever involved in IVF* in the first place? How much did they pay you to abandon your morals?




* For the sake of argument I'll believe you

It was invented for man and women couples, married couples to have kids. Helping gay people to have kids was not on the radar screen. Oddly enough it was the docs office where I first received a call on my new cell phone, the first every Motorola. He looked at me and said phone. You don't need a phone. Of course he didn't have one. He had the means to do IVF. Crazy that SC talked about gay marriage was more recent than cell phone. And now everyone has a cell and half the people are gay. We've come a long way.

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It was invented for man and women couples, married couples to have kids. Helping gay people to have kids was not on the radar screen. Oddly enough it was the docs office where I first received a call on my new cell phone, the first every Motorola. He looked at me and said phone. You don't need a phone. Of course he didn't have one. He had the means to do IVF. Crazy that SC talked about gay marriage was more recent than cell phone. And now everyone has a cell and half the people are gay. We've come a long way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcwz8-EfFYE

Owned by Remi #?

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It was invented for man and women couples, married couples to have kids. Helping gay people to have kids was not on the radar screen. Oddly enough it was the docs office where I first received a call on my new cell phone, the first every Motorola. He looked at me and said phone. You don't need a phone. Of course he didn't have one. He had the means to do IVF. Crazy that SC talked about gay marriage was more recent than cell phone. And now everyone has a cell and half the people are gay. We've come a long way.

I tried, I really did. But I have NO fucking idea what you're trying to say here. Oh except for:

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We've come a long way.

Yes, we have. There's a lot further to go still...

You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly.

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It was invented for man and women couples, married couples to have kids. Helping gay people to have kids was not on the radar screen. Oddly enough it was the docs office where I first received a call on my new cell phone, the first every Motorola. He looked at me and said phone. You don't need a phone. Of course he didn't have one. He had the means to do IVF. Crazy that SC talked about gay marriage was more recent than cell phone. And now everyone has a cell and half the people are gay. We've come a long way.

I tried, I really did. But I have NO fucking idea what you're trying to say here. Oh except for:

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We've come a long way.

Yes, we have. There's a lot further to go still...

As the sheep move over the hill as they know what's coming up after them.
Did I ever tell you about the Turk we had on the soccer bus... nah . I'll save it for another time.

[mistercwood 287]

Umm... so committed same-sex couples wanting the right to raise a family (via adoption/IVF/surrogacy/whatever) relates to a wolf chasing sheep how? I'm assuming that's the metaphor you were going for, please clarify if I missed it.

Also do tell about the Turk! I love stories...

You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly.

[ianmdrennan 2]

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As the sheep move over the hill as they know what's coming up after them.

Yes yes, doomsday. Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats, living together! Mass hysteria!

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[Andy9o8 0]

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It was invented for man and women couples, married couples to have kids. Helping gay people to have kids was not on the radar screen.

So what? Viagra was originally invented as a heart medication. Things evolve.

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It was invented for man and women couples, married couples to have kids. Helping gay people to have kids was not on the radar screen.

So what? Viagra was originally invented as a heart medication. Things evolve.

Clearly change is bad, didn't Obama invent it?

You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly.

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And I was getting excited about orgies when I learned the host was put out to pasture.

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It was invented for man and women couples, married couples to have kids.

Married couples who by nature can't participate naturally in bearing children naturally [sic]. Every single one of your objections applies equally to those people (who you describe as self serving and narcissistic) as it does to gays.

So again, how much did they pay you to abandon your morals?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Jennifer Finney Boylan is her name; you can read her book if you want to know more about it.

Or watch this short but impressive video at youtube. It addresses all questions the OP has asked though I seriously doubt they might reach his ratio not to talk about his heart...

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>Should same sex couples be allowed to raise children?

Of course.

Me, too.

Just an interesting question: Couple raises kids. Kids grow up, some day leave the nest and live straight, happy and successful lives. Hubbie finally admits to himself and transitions; wife stays with her partner. It has happened and it will happen again and again.

Does this, in the eyes of the religious zealots, still put the children in danger?

The sky is not the limit. The ground is.

The Society of Skydiving Ducks

[Abedy 0]

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Should same sex couples be allowed to raise children?

Of course they should. The only facts that matter is whether the kids can grow up in a loving and caring environment. This is not a question of sexual organs this is a question of the heart, as this surprising video shows. Be ashamed by common Texas people and their truly Souther manners (and big hearts) when it comes to "and YOU raise kids like this?"

The sky is not the limit. The ground is.

The Society of Skydiving Ducks

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Can a transgender male (end state) be gay, and if so are they transgender or gay?

You know shit about what you are talking. What you call "transgender male (end state)" is referred to as transman.
Or maybe it's a clumsy try to refer to transwomen (such as Jennifer Finney Boylan or Chris Tina Bruce)
Just go and do some proper research to come up with proper terms.

And hell yes, trans people can be gay just as cis people can. Who cares?

The sky is not the limit. The ground is.

The Society of Skydiving Ducks

[Abedy 0]

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what I"m learning is that the lgbt community is not interested in providing valuable information to aid the straight community to understand the lgbt community

This gem needed to be cited.
Even a short googling around the net should provide you with useful insight.
Open-minded talk to LGBT persons also should suffice to enlarge your knowledge. But it needs to be open-minded as in unbiased, non-prejudiced or simply liberal.

The sky is not the limit. The ground is.

The Society of Skydiving Ducks

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I wonder why Islam is the fastest growing religion when they have the most strick laws regarding homosexuality.

Sigh. Laws as in "judicial" are made by parliaments.
Religions may call it "laws" but they are, in fact, just rules to the followers of that very religion.

Speaking of which: If you observe the rules of the Bible in a very strict way you have the harshest "laws" to inflict upon homosexuals. And the Catholic Church in the medieval times happily used their power to have state laws (if necessary at all) follow suit. Ah, the good ol' times, where them fags who refuse to behave in a fashionable way and are not willing to explain what they want could be burnt on a stake! (IRONY/SARCASM!!!)

So, there must be other reasons than the rules put up by a religion towards homosexuals for this religion to spread successfully.

BTW: Transitioning is not only NOT FORBIDDEN in the Islamic Republic of Iran*, but also paid for. OTOH, homosexuality is severely punishable. Kinda weird, kinda inconsistent. Things that happen when there's no separation between Church/Religion and State/legal laws.

* A country I'd never ever go to, just to say.

The sky is not the limit. The ground is.

The Society of Skydiving Ducks

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this surprising video

I actually don't find it to be the least bit surprising -- people in the south of the US really are polite in general. Yeah, some of them probably agree with the waitress at home, but it's just not done in public, and being polite is, in fact, a language of tolerance.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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this surprising video

I actually don't find it to be the least bit surprising -- people in the south of the US really are polite in general. Yeah, some of them probably agree with the waitress at home, but it's just not done in public, and being polite is, in fact, a language of tolerance. Wendy P.

That's why Northerners refer to the Civil War as the "War of Southern Passive Aggression".

[Abedy 0]

It's probably similar here. I bet people in Bavaria (our Texas so to say ;-) are usually quite firm in their beliefs and, that is why, more tolerant if others do not share these beliefs. And yes, people there are usually more polite than folks in the more "Pruzzian" northern states. There are many exceptions from the "rule", though - I myself come from the state of Brandenburg, the most "Pruzzian" state but was raised to always be polite just like an American Southerner (lift hat when entering a building, hold doors open, greet everybody that approaches you, comes into your room, offer seat to elderly etc pp)

The sky is not the limit. The ground is.

The Society of Skydiving Ducks