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So, It is a revenue problem? Or a spending problem?

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Might make some think about it

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/cbo-federal-revenue-set-record-2013

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Government revenues had fallen by nearly $500 billion during the recession to $2.1 trillion in 2009, contributing to the $1.5 trillion deficit that year. However, federal revenues have been recovering since the recession ended in June 2009, and the CBO now projects that they will slightly eclipse their pre-recession peak.

In fact, the $2.7 trillion in revenue will be the most money the federal government has collected in history.



And the tax increases to the rich have not had time to kick in yet
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The huge Spending problem has created a revenue problem.
Too bad congress and the president only work the one side.

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Yes, it is.



We already know you are a bigger government liberal



Just about everything you think you know about me is wrong.



You want more money for more government that has more control over private lives and business

Why cant you just man up and admit it

We all know the truth about you
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Both, of course.



So, we have record revenues
We have a new record predicted

And we have both?


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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Both, of course.



So, we have record revenues
We have a new record predicted

And we have both?
:S


I tend to agree with them. As long as we want all these programs, the bottom line is out to lunch. And, "revenue increase" does not directly mean "tax increase" it could be trade balance, higher GNP, etc etc etc....

I worry more about the DD's of the world that ONLY think more taxes is the solution (unfortunately, that's congress also - but for different reasons).

The real problem is today's politics.

- pres complains that we need to "compromise" on spending cuts and more taxes
- ok - we 'compromise'
---we get tax increases
---the so called 'spending cuts' were vague promises to reduce the rate of increase over the next ten years, but 'not right now'

Withing DAYS
- they are calling for MORE taxes
- the house holds out for spending decreases (real this time)
- pres complains that we need to "compromise" on spending cuts and more taxes


vicious cycle that results in only one the needed two actions

I don't see any solution that doesn't involve the government demonstrating they are absolutely committed to real and HUGE spending cuts. Until then, just taking more money from the people doesn't do anything but make the situation even worse.


what I really hate - is the "the military spends so much" crowd. They want to make it a "cut the military vs cut anything else" argument. But the problem is there is no one on the OTHER side of their strawman. Everyone serious about cutting WANTS to cut military, but they also recognize that everything else needs to cut too. You can't get there by just demonizing a single (no matter how large) program set. you can't get ther by just demonizing a single citizen demographic either.

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>And we have both?

Yes. We are spending more than we are taking in. That's the problem, and there are two sides to it.

Is someone who buys a big fishing boat being irresponsible? You can't answer that without asking - how much does he make? Can he afford it? There are two sides to that equation.

We have to raise taxes and lower spending. Fortunately we are (slowly) doing both, although we need to do more in both areas.

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>And we have both?

Yes. We are spending more than we are taking in. That's the problem, and there are two sides to it.

Is someone who buys a big fishing boat being irresponsible? You can't answer that without asking - how much does he make? Can he afford it? There are two sides to that equation.

We have to raise taxes and lower spending. Fortunately we are (slowly) doing both, although we need to do more in both areas.



Disagree

The problem is not dollars

It is an oversized and bloated federal govenment

Take away the dollars and force it to shrink
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>The problem is not dollars

OK. So the problem isn't the debt? If we made the government smaller but spent more you'd be fine with that? I doubt it.

>It is an oversized and bloated federal govenment. Take away the dollars and force
>it to shrink

That works as well as refusing to pay your credit card bills to "save money."

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That works as well as refusing to pay your credit card bills to "save money."



Not related
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>Not related

I think it is. We're spending money like an irresponsible teenager with a credit card. Democrats think we can spend even more as long as we get a much better job real soon now. Republicans think we can solve the problem by just "taking the dollars away" - if the money stops the debt goes away.

Neither will solve the problem. We have to cut spending - which means actually having fewer wars, actually cutting Social Security, veteran's benefits, new roads, new jets etc. You can't just say "cut the money and they will starve." They will keep borrowing as they always do.

We also have to increase taxes - which means increasing taxes on most people, not just the rich.

Do both those things and the teenager might learn some responsibility, and be a little more carefu in the future.

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Irresponsible tean agers can not print their own money

Your analogy does not fit

The gov is only responcible if we make them
Take their money, make the borrowing ilegal and we might have a chance

Shrinking the gov is the right thing to do

The rest will follow
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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If the feds were spending at 2005 levels the budget would be balanced. But since spending has increased a trillion per year since then, it's a deep hole.



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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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>Irresponsible tean agers can not print their own money

Sure they can. They can get a new credit card, get a cash advance and - voila! - free money! (It's not really free, of course - but neither is the money we just "print.")

>Take their money

Who "takes their money?"

>make the borrowing ilegal

So a balanced budget amendment?

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So a balanced budget amendment?



Yes, this and limiting the size and power of the government to identified Constitutional levels
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>>So a balanced budget amendment?

>Yes

I would support that provided the budget was required to be balanced over a fairly long time (i.e. more than one economic cycle.) Requiring massive spending cuts during a recession would destroy a fragile economy, and the massive government growth that would take place during economic bubbles would do no one any good.

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>>So a balanced budget amendment?

>Yes

I would support that provided the budget was required to be balanced over a fairly long time (i.e. more than one economic cycle.) Requiring massive spending cuts during a recession would destroy a fragile economy, and the massive government growth that would take place during economic bubbles would do no one any good.



I keep hearing this

I dont think I buy that anymore

It is just another scare tactic used by the big government liberals who do not what their money pot to dry up

BTW, I am NOT saying it would be painless
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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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>It is just another scare tactic used by the big government liberals who do not
>what their money pot to dry up

?? It's also a problem of "too much money." If you have a balanced budget amendment, and you get into an economic bubble, you have to spend the money. Guaranteed big government. Guaranteed boondoggles. Government contractors saying "we have a requirement to spend $600 on this toilet seat. Do you want to the money or do you want us to go somewhere else?"

That's dumb.

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>It is just another scare tactic used by the big government liberals who do not
>what their money pot to dry up

?? It's also a problem of "too much money." If you have a balanced budget amendment, and you get into an economic bubble, you have to spend the money. Guaranteed big government. Guaranteed boondoggles. Government contractors saying "we have a requirement to spend $600 on this toilet seat. Do you want to the money or do you want us to go somewhere else?"

That's dumb.



What is dumb is what we have now
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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Yes, it is.



We already know you are a bigger government liberal



Just about everything you think you know about me is wrong.



You want more money for more government that has more control over private lives and business

Why cant you just man up and admit it

We all know the truth about you



Just about Everything you think you know about me is wrong.
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