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GeorgiaDon 340
Perhaps, if they didn't keep breaking. Funny how that happens.QuotePerhaps a look in the mirror would help. Sly[/sly]
I spend time here in Speaker's Corner because I like to sample the perspectives of people from a wide range of political persuasions. A pattern I've noticed is that those who people who argue from a Libertarian or liberal perspective are generally willing to explain their positions, so we can have a discussion and at least come to a better understanding. Most conservative posters, on the other hand, seem to get all butt-hurt if asked to explain the logic of their beliefs or positions. Any disagreement is treated as disrespect. It's almost as if, to the conservative mind, actually thinking things through to the point of being able to defend positions using reason and math (in the case of economic arguments) is something to be avoided in favor of authoritarianism and "gut feelings".
Perhaps to you asking someone how they can reconcile their American patriotism (and I don't doubt that Ron genuinely is patriotic) with positions that contradict fundamental aspects of American rights and freedoms is "arrogant". To me it's just interesting that people can hold such contradictory concepts in their mind and strongly believe both at the same time. How does that work? Unlike Ron, I don't wish to ban anyone's religious beliefs or other ideas, even if I disagree with them. I do reserve the right to question or argue against those ideas when I disagree with them, though. Sorry if that bothers you. Well, actually, I'm only sorry that people get upset if they are asked to explain their positions.
Don
Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)
GeorgiaDon 340
And yet you start posts that are all about censoring ideas you don't agree with.QuoteI have no desire to censor anyone.
Or, maybe you just can't explain yourself? I was curious if there was a logical way to reconcile freedom of speech with the idea that universities should only teach things that pass a conservative "truth test", but now you have pretty convinced me there is none.QuoteFor me silence is generally the high road.
And you too, Ron. I don't know if you're in North Georgia or in Florida today, but it sure is a beautiful day in Georgia.QuoteHave a good day now, ya hear.
Off to work now. Hope you have time to play today even if I don't.
Don
Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)
RonD1120 58
QuoteAnd yet you start posts that are all about censoring ideas you don't agree with.QuoteI have no desire to censor anyone.
Or, maybe you just can't explain yourself? I was curious if there was a logical way to reconcile freedom of speech with the idea that universities should only teach things that pass a conservative "truth test", but now you have pretty convinced me there is none.QuoteFor me silence is generally the high road.
And you too, Ron. I don't know if you're in North Georgia or in Florida today, but it sure is a beautiful day in Georgia.QuoteHave a good day now, ya hear.
Off to work now. Hope you have time to play today even if I don't.
Don
You took the higher road on that one. Good job.
We are in FL now. No play scheduled but, not a lot of stress either. I hope you make it an easy day at work.
jakee 1,257
QuoteI'm going to give you a hint. You and many others just don't get the point.
My hint to you would be that you're two blinded by the raging partisanship that you try to sell under the banner of 'unity' to know what your point looks like to anyone outside your circle.
jclalor 12
QuoteI have a master's degree and am one of the lowest income producers in my family.
It depends a whole lot on what the degree is in. I work with a twenty year old kid who just got his AA in respiratory therapy and is making $90,000 a year.
While college may not be the perfect fit for everyone, you're far more likely to have a much more comfortable life with a degree.
Andy9o8 0
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QuoteI have a master's degree and am one of the lowest income producers in my family.
It depends a whole lot on what the degree is in. ....
...and also the age of the person. Age discrimination in employment, despite some progress, remains very pervasive.
QuoteYou might want to look at the number of Electricians and Plumbers that ARE owned by major corporations. If you want to make money for the guys at the top dont get your degree. If you want access to the higher echelons of "success" (in quotes because that is an individual definition) the time you spend in school is easily worthwhile.
After scholarships and grants I left college with 55k in student loans. That is less than half my current yearly income and has been for over 10 years. A good education prepares you for far more than the specific field you study for, it teaches critical thinking, organization and planning skills you will be hard pressed to acquire on your own in a trade in 2-4 years.
So are you an electrician or a plumber? Did I miss any details that would be relevant here? I left college with no debt and have been making infinitely more than that for nearly 20 years, but that doesn't mean very much in this discussion.
There are real gains to be had in college, for the people that seek them. But I know plenty of grads that still lack the ability to do an efficient RCA and repeat the same errors that caused the first failure. College has to be more than going through the motions.
RonD1120 58
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QuoteI have a master's degree and am one of the lowest income producers in my family.
It depends a whole lot on what the degree is in. ....
...and also the age of the person. Age discrimination in employment, despite some progress, remains very pervasive.
I always believed that was a major obstacle in my case. I was 52 YO when I returned to the social service agency arena.
Pretty funny considering how you come across on here. Perhaps a look in the mirror would help.
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