livendive 8 #176 November 3, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote You mean other than apologizing for using the death of 4 people to try and make political gains? The truth is liable to result in both political winners and losers. Dems want to give BHO immunity from the truth to prevent him from suffering a political loss. Suppressing the truth is more corrupt than exposing it, and I would argue that it's a worse form of politicization. So do you think the federal government should provide full disclosure to the press of all CIA activities, or just the ones the Republicans lie about? Blues, Dave If I thought that, I would have said that. Nice effort to deflect the blame. Actually it was WH that leaked classified info when BHO's subordinates killed OBL, because that made the boss look good. Now that there is overwhelming, unclassified, public information lies indicating that BHO is either incompetent or lying about the death of 4 Americans, the Dems will make any excuse, including "classified information," to provide cover for him. And what does he say for himself? He won't answer a direct question and promises the investigation will continue until after the election. Politicizing you say? Did you read the fucking articles? They completely disprove all the retarded "Coultered" bullshit that Ron and his lying GOP friends have been spouting on here for the last week. The US government DID respond. One of the guys killed flew in from Tripoli that night. The excuse is NOT "classified information", it's "those tin hat wearing motherfuckers are crazy". There has been a concerted effort by Awr Hawkins and Glen Beck to swiftboat Obama in the last two weeks of the campaign, and they just got knocked on their asses. So keep believing all that crazy shit if you want, because it's not like you were going to vote for Obama either way. But understand that where we previously thought you were just a little paranoid, we now know you're being deliberately dishonest. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #177 November 3, 2012 The article does not one time mention that anyone from the White House did anything but order a drone. It detailed how the local CIA guys did what they did on their own. How is this a Win for Obama, it's just enough information to look like he did something, but I don't see it that way? It just looks like it clears the CIA guys from sitting around and doing nothing. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #178 November 3, 2012 QuoteThe article does not one time mention that anyone from the White House did anything but order a drone. It detailed how the local CIA guys did what they did on their own. How is this a Win for Obama, it's just enough information to look like he did something, but I don't see it that way? It just looks like it clears the CIA guys from sitting around and doing nothing. Ron and his crew would have us believe we had AC-130's circling overhead and Obama was watching live video on his TV and then went to bed without sending them any help. The truth, as detailed in the article, is that the DoD provided the drone and began moving troops on the ground, but were not going to put boots in-country in a soverein nation until the state department and the host country were onboard. Thus, additional CIA forces already in country represented the most appropriate response and that's what went. Indeed, one of the guys killed was one of the responders who flew in from Tripoli. The most you could have hoped for from additional response is prevention of the mortar attacks, which came after a 4 hour lull in the action that led folks to believe the situation was resolved, and it was part of a whopping 11 minute skirmish. It seems to me that a CIA driven response with such limited casualties and subsequent fallout was probably the best possible reaction. Anything further likely would have resulted in greater loss of life on both sides and a dicey diplomatic situation. Instead, the locals went after the bad guys a few days later. That's a win in my book, and far better than dropping massive military firepower into a densely populated area. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #179 November 3, 2012 Who are these Washington officials/ senior intelligence people by name that are reporting this to the Washington times? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #180 November 3, 2012 QuoteWho are these Washington officials/ senior intelligence people by name that are reporting this to the Washington times? I don't know. I do know that, despite its unabashed conservative bias, the Washington Times is still one hell of a lot more credible than that dipshit Awr Hawkins, or anyone writing for Newsmax. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #181 November 3, 2012 The articles detail how the CIA has done a CYA. Now, the question remains, where was BHO? Why does he remain silent?Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #182 November 3, 2012 GERALDO ABSOLUTELY EXPLODES AT CO-HOST OVER LIBYA STORY ON FOX: ‘YOU ARE A POLITICIAN LOOKING TO MAKE A POLITICAL POINT!’ http://www.theblaze.com/stories/geraldo-absolutely-explodes-at-co-host-over-libya-accusation-on-fox-news-you-are-a-politician-looking-to-make-a-political-point/ Geraldo makes a couple good points.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #183 November 3, 2012 Quote The truth, as detailed in the article, There's nothing truthful in the article until someone is willing to second the story. All we have now is one man's account.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #184 November 3, 2012 QuoteThe articles detail how the CIA has done a CYA. Now, the question remains, where was BHO? Why does he remain silent? Oh, so now that you can't get his entire government, you want to know whether he personally booked a flight to Benghazi, and are going to scream and yell some more if it turns out he took a shit at 11:09 PM? If you can't accept surrogates, then why have you even moved on to this issue, you should still be crying about the fact that he hasn't personally brought you the original piece of paper his doctor signed 51 years ago instead of accepting that several reputable people and organizations already beat that horse to smithereens. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #185 November 3, 2012 Quote Geraldo makes a couple good points. Nonsense - he's still trying to replicate the "Al Capone's secret vault" stunt.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #186 November 3, 2012 You are funny. I guess it never has occurred to you that I am interested in the truth.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #187 November 3, 2012 Quote Quote Geraldo makes a couple good points. Nonsense - he's still trying to replicate the "Al Capone's secret vault" stunt. Ah, an example of contempt prior to investigation. The points he made were in favor of BHO. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #188 November 3, 2012 QuoteYou are funny. I guess it never has occurred to you that I am interested in the truth. You spend far too much time reading and regurgitating lies for anyone to believe that. If you were honestly interested in the truth, you wouldn't listen to Glenn Beck. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #189 November 3, 2012 QuoteThe articles detail how the CIA has done a CYA... I'm officially coining the phrase CIA, and sometimes 'Y' /edited to add: not that I'm inclined to agree with Ron's stance thus far... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 93 #190 November 3, 2012 QuoteThe article does not one time mention that anyone from the White House did anything but order a drone. It detailed how the local CIA guys did what they did on their own. How is this a Win for Obama, it's just enough information to look like he did something, but I don't see it that way? It just looks like it clears the CIA guys from sitting around and doing nothing. Quite right! It sounds like they did something, but it was really way too little, way too late, way too dependent on the approval of another country to even proceed at all. It seems like barely more than no response at all, but of course it was just the CIA response. So much more could and should have been done, and it should have been done without worrying about the approval of of Libyan officials. A C-130 gunship with a fighter escort would have been a good place to start.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #191 November 3, 2012 QuoteQuoteYou are funny. I guess it never has occurred to you that I am interested in the truth. You spend far too much time reading and regurgitating lies for anyone to believe that. If you were honestly interested in the truth, you wouldn't listen to Glenn Beck. Blues, Dave I subscribe to the BlazeTV. The Real News is broadcast M-F and anchored by four regulars and frequently one guest. Two of the anchors also due regular commentary on MSNBC and CNN, according to their bios on Wikipedia. So, who would you recommend for the truth in news?Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #192 November 3, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou are funny. I guess it never has occurred to you that I am interested in the truth. You spend far too much time reading and regurgitating lies for anyone to believe that. If you were honestly interested in the truth, you wouldn't listen to Glenn Beck. Blues, Dave I subscribe to the BlazeTV. The Real News is broadcast M-F and anchored by four regulars and frequently one guest. Two of the anchors also due regular commentary on MSNBC and CNN, according to their bios on Wikipedia. So, who would you recommend for the truth in news? I would start with three considerations: intent, reputation, and corroboration. Intent: In a moment of weakness last weekend, I registered on newsmax.com. During the registration process, you're given the choice to opt out of emails, which I did, however they specify that it'll take 24-48 hours for that opt-out to take effect (a lie in the computer age...the true length of time necessary is measured in microseconds). Not surprisingly, it took the full 48 hours for me to stop receiving emails, and I got several, every one of which was clearly intended in the header that Obama is the anti-Christ and here's how to take him down. Thus newsmax is clearly not intent on informing people, but rather on swaying opinion with propoganda that supports a particular position. Even newsmax referred to Andrew Breitbart as a "conservative activist" for whom they hold affection, and Awr Hawkins, the source of all this nonsense about live video feeds to the White House and circling AC-130's is an employee of breitbart.com and pjmedia.com, it's partner. Thus they can also be discarded as honest sources of information. A simple google search for "Awr Hawkins" will indicate his level of impartiality. Glenn Beck's intent is also to persuade, as evidenced by primary outlet, the proverbial "talk show", which are always confrontational and carry a laughable ratio of fact to opinion. Reputation: If they're generally considered a source of impartial news, they're probably good. This applies in varying degrees though, as most sources have different levels of bias. Still, I would posit that Pulitzer prize winners are almost always more reputable than organizations which have trivial distributions in the mainstream public. Fox News and Huffington Post are clearly biased but still have news aspects separate from their opinion segments, and thus can be considered at least marginally reputable. Understanding that getting the "first scoop" is important to all of these organzations, we have to accept that sometimes early information will be wrong. How they treat those incidents is telling as to their reputation...do they retract inaccurate stories on the basis of better information, or just kind of gloss over those "oops" moments. The entertainment/propoganda types just go for the next big story, whereas the types trying to convey accurate information will generally provide a retraction or clarification, even if it is buried on some backpage. Corroboration: If the AP says something that Reuters and CNN and the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times corroborate, there's probably an element of fact to it. If Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh or Keith Olbermann or Rachel Maddow say something and the only other people reporting it are of similarly questionable reputation, it's probably bullshit. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #193 November 3, 2012 Thanks for the feedback.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #194 November 4, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Geraldo makes a couple good points. Nonsense - he's still trying to replicate the "Al Capone's secret vault" stunt. Ah, an example of contempt prior to investigation. The points he made were in favor of BHO. So what? He's still an idiot.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #195 November 4, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Geraldo makes a couple good points. Nonsense - he's still trying to replicate the "Al Capone's secret vault" stunt. Ah, an example of contempt prior to investigation. The points he made were in favor of BHO. So what? He's still an idiot. Birds of a feather........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #196 November 5, 2012 QuoteQuoteIt's called "distraction". Many in the legal profession use it when they don't want to discuss the truth. Yes, and Liberals in general. Jesus was a liberal. I guess he was a liar, too."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #197 November 5, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteIt's called "distraction". Many in the legal profession use it when they don't want to discuss the truth. Yes, and Liberals in general. Jesus was a liberal. I guess he was a liar, too. Possibly. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,123 #198 November 5, 2012 QuoteI guess it never has occurred to you that I am interested in the truth. Bullshit. You wanted the death of 4 people to score political points for those you favour. That is as low and dispicable as it gets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #199 November 5, 2012 Quote Quote I guess it never has occurred to you that I am interested in the truth. Bullshit. You wanted the death of 4 people to score political points for those you favour. That is as low and dispicable as it gets. Bravo Sierra back at cha'. BHO's points have already been scored. This is just more evidence of his incompetence. And besides, you don't have a dog in this hunt. This is America not Canada. Good day! Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #200 November 5, 2012 Quote Quote Quote I guess it never has occurred to you that I am interested in the truth. Bullshit. You wanted the death of 4 people to score political points for those you favour. That is as low and dispicable as it gets. Bravo Sierra back at cha'. BHO's points have already been scored. This is just more evidence of his incompetence. And besides, you don't have a dog in this hunt. This is America not Canada. Good day! This is to anyone who still contends that BHO called the attack in Benghazi a terror attack in his speech and the WH http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2012/11/05/what-president-obama-really-said-60-minutes-interview-about-benghazi/ BTW, this is based on BHO's interviwe on CBS after the attack and after his speech"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
